Sci-Fi Dune

[Another_Fool]

At first I was confused because some characters where sort of behaving differently, then it was so messy, then it started to be good, then it was odd, then it was ridiculous, plus a ton of questionable choices throughout until the very end.

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Which characters did you think behave differently? Are we talking about Lady Jessica? Paul?

 

[green]

Am I missing something? Part 1 never was never released with the aspect ratio was it?

 

[flickchick85]

Am I missing something? Part 1 never was never released with the aspect ratio was it?

The IMAX aspect ratio? Yes it was. Unless you're asking about home video, which, sadly not.

 

[TheVileOne]

A good movie. Great spectacle. Great music, production design. The ending was bad. Deeply unsatisfying and frustrating. As a lover of the books. I can accept just about all the changes. I think some of the changes are almost preferable to the novel except one. There is one change I cannot accept or abide, and the ending angered me.

I think Chalamet is perfect is Paul. This is the Paul I've wanted to see onscreen for many years.

Zendaya disappointed me. Her chemistry with Chalamet just isn't there, and the relationship with Paul suffers. Sadly, Chani is the weakest part of Dune Part 2.

Based on Villeneuve's comments, I have a feeling he wants to end this with Dune Messiah and doesn't want any of the other books to be adapted, but we'll see. I'm not going to say anything as unhinged as he "ruined it." I think Villeneuve honored the text in many ways. I think the scene when Paul rides the worm achieves the ambition of Villeneuve as a filmmaker and the imagination of Herbert's text. It's the best scene in the film start to finish.

But yeah, I just can't accept this ending. It doesn't work for me at all.

Now all that being said, I fully recognize that a lot of people seeing this movie have never picked up the books and have no idea what I'm talking about. So for them, what I'm talking about could be a total masterpiece. So I won't dismiss anyone else's opinion if they liked the ending. This is just how I feel. It was deeply unsatisfying to me.

As another example, I was highly annoyed Feyd-Rautha isn't in the first movie. But even though I think they waited too long to introduce Feyd they do make up for it here and give him this huge, badass introduction sequence.

I have a million nitpicks. But again, I can really let go of those outside of one specific huge deviation. That's the one thing I can't accept and admit Villeneuve got it right.

The way I'd phrase it, this movie is like 7/8ths the ultimate sci-fi spectacle for me, and it's just that 1/8th that has me grinding my teeth.

 

[green]

The IMAX aspect ratio? Yes it was. Unless you're asking about home video, which, sadly not.

Yeah, I was meaning home video.
The way Denis says it in that clip is almost like he doesn't even know that it hasn't been, which made me do a double take.

 

[HammerDown]

How would you say the action is in part 2?

There’s plenty of action specially in the middle and towards the end. Some of it pretty great, other sort of ok, some interesting duels and some of it towards the end is definitely more like visual noise… a lot going on but not much to lack on too.

 

[HammerDown]

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Which characters did you think behave differently? Are we talking about Lady Jessica? Paul?

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Yes both of them specially in the beginning plus Stilgar stood out like a sore thumb with all the humor… Even Gurney was sort of acting a bit odd/differently I felt.

I think watching both films almost back to back accentuates those differences.

 

[DarkKnight88]

If he was gonna lift anything from a past score, was hoping this would make an appearance when Paul shows up.

 

[Spider-Fan]

The wait for tomorrow is killing me, lol!!!! There is nothing I am looking forward to legitimately for the next couple years than this movie. Basically until Dune Part 3 (which I am certain will end up being the title of the Dune Messiah adaptation)

 

[Filmfan93]

I am ready for Friday.

 

[HammerDown]

One thing I have to highlight as the single most ridiculous thing.

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The nukes…

 

[Another_Fool]

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Yes both of them specially in the beginning plus Stilgar stood out like a sore thumb with all the humor… Even Gurney was sort of acting a bit odd/differently I felt.

I think watching both films almost back to back accentuates those differences.

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Though Stilgar and Gurney track for me, I understand what you mean. As for Paul and Jessica, depending on where in the film you thought they acted differently, I know that after drinking the Water of Life they both substantially change. It gave both of them a more pertinent view of past, present and future and at that point their viewpoints changed due to being more all knowing.

There is one change I cannot accept or abide, and the ending angered me.

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Ah man sorry to hear the ending let you down. Is this related to Chani being at odds with Paul at the end? It's the only one I think that can be a huge divergence outside of no Alia or little Leto.

 

[HammerDown]

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Though Stilgar and Gurney track for me, I understand what you mean. As for Paul and Jessica, depending on where in the film you thought they acted differently, I know that after drinking the Water of Life they both substantially change. It gave both of them a more pertinent view of past, present and future and at that point their viewpoints changed due to being more all knowing.

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Oh i mean straight from the get go I found their portrayal a bit off and it had nothing to do with the blue water later on. And I say this having watched the first one not so long ago.

But those are sort of minor nitpicks in the mist of it all. There’s was plenty I found perplexing and straight up bad narrative choices.

 

[TheVileOne]

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Though Stilgar and Gurney track for me, I understand what you mean. As for Paul and Jessica, depending on where in the film you thought they acted differently, I know that after drinking the Water of Life they both substantially change. It gave both of them a more pertinent view of past, present and future and at that point their viewpoints changed due to being more all knowing.

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Ah man sorry to hear the ending let you down. Is this related to Chani being at odds with Paul at the end? It's the only one I think that can be a huge divergence outside of no Alia or little Leto.

Yes.

 

[Comicbookguy339]

But yeah, I just can't accept this ending. It doesn't work for me at all.

The ending as a whole doesn't make sense imo.

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We have this big dramatic moment of Chani learning that Paul plans to marry Irulan and that's what ultimately pusher her over the edge and makes her leave Paul and the rest of the Fremen. But then immediately after that it turns out that the other great houses refuse to recognize Paul as the new ruler of the Imperium. And Paul then tells the Fremen to basically kill them all. I have so many problems with this.

1. Never explained why the houses refuse to recognize Paul. In the first movie as well as in this one characters have repeatedly said that the other houses would turn against the emperor if they learned the truth that he orhestrated the massacre of the Artreides but I guess not.
2. Paul is the one who personally launches the jihad. This changes him from an arguably selfish/weak character to a full-blown villian.
3. If the great houses refuse to recognize Paul's ascendancy through his marriage to princess irulan then there's no point in marrying her. At the end of the film Paul will become the new ruler of the known universe not through any political maneuvering but through brute force.
4. If there's no point in marrying Irulan then the drama with Chani becomes pure nonsense.
5. Gurney is somehow okay with Paul leading his Fremen forces to kill off all the great houses.

Villeneuve wanted maximum drama and tragedy but didn't think any of it through.

 

[Another_Fool]

Part Two is Frank Herbert's Dune adapted through the lens of Dune Messiah.

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Absolutely. Messiah was written because Herbert felt readers had misconceptions of Paul being a hero to root for, so he really drove the point in the sequel that we should've been conflicted. Almost felt like Denis adjusted for it knowing how Herbert felt, some may argue over-adjusted. Though I have NO idea how they'll set up Chani for the sequel considering where Denis left her off. There'll be a big time jump, longer than 12 years maybe so that Alia is old enough to be played by Anya Taylor-Joy, hence they'll have to find a compelling explanation as to why Chani would be with Paul in Messiah. REALLY intrigued how Denis will adapt Messiah.

 

[Sithborg]

I am just assuming Villenueve learned from ROTS.

EDIT: And the more I think about it, the more the comparison of ROTS to Messiah makes more and more sense. Goddamnit George....

 

[Mjolnir Reborn]

I saw it yesterday and it really delivered on my very high expectations. I don't know anyone that can consistently make long, slow-paced films that just don't make me feel the length at all like Denis does. I had heard some reviews talk about things happening quite a bit into the film and when I got there I kept thinking "we're here already?".

Just like Part One this is a real feast for the senses. Cinematography, visual design, special effects, sound design and the score are just top notch. All locations feel distinctly different and have great verisimilitude, whether it's the natural Arakkis or the very alien Giedi Prime.

The entire cast is fantastic as well. Chalamet really manages to lead the film and I was surprised at how well he handled the character's change, as it took something I hadn't seen from him before. I also like how he and Zendaya handled their relationship on screen. Rebecca Ferguson gets to tackle her character in a darker way than before and it was great seeing her deliver on that. Bardem's Stilgar did a really good job playing the fanatic that provided just the right amount of levity without it feeling out of place or too much. On the darker side it was great seeing more of the Harkonnens and the biggest standout there was Austin Butler. His Feyd-Rautha is just mesmerizing presence on screen with his mannerisms and his look. Someone to be fascinated and horrified by. I also loved all the Bene Gesserit scheming scenes. All these ladies are so good at making the plans within plans and their manipulation so interesting.

I'm glad I decided not to read the book before watching these films as it's nice to experience it without having to compare. I do feel that I need to think about this film a lot more to fully grasp it though, as it's apparent that a lot of things are happening below the surface, and I really want to see it again. I guess that's the strongest feeling I have after seeing this - that I just want more. I feel like a third installment must be inevitable by now and I can't wait to see what Denis does with his favorite book of the series.

 

[kguillou]

This score man. I have been listening to it consistently since i saw it. Easily some of Zimmer’s best work in years.

This track, man!

 

[antsman41]

Tonight is the night, I take the spice.

 

[Kane52630]

@antsman41 @Boom

 

[chintai80]

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it's gotta be hugh grant. he's a little b***h.

 

[Drizzle]

Going by process of elimination and speculation, it's either Grant or Jake Gyllenhaal. I'm hoping it's Grant because I've never liked the guy.

 

[TheVileOne]

The ending as a whole doesn't make sense imo.

Spoiler

We have this big dramatic moment of Chani learning that Paul plans to marry Irulan and that's what ultimately pusher her over the edge and makes her leave Paul and the rest of the Fremen. But then immediately after that it turns out that the other great houses refuse to recognize Paul as the new ruler of the Imperium. And Paul then tells the Fremen to basically kill them all. I have so many problems with this.

1. Never explained why the houses refuse to recognize Paul. In the first movie as well as in this one characters have repeatedly said that the other houses would turn against the emperor if they learned the truth that he orhestrated the massacre of the Artreides but I guess not.
2. Paul is the one who personally launches the jihad. This changes him from an arguably selfish/weak character to a full-blown villian.
3. If the great houses refuse to recognize Paul's ascendancy through his marriage to princess irulan then there's no point in marrying her. At the end of the film Paul will become the new ruler of the known universe not through any political maneuvering but through brute force.
4. If there's no point in marrying Irulan then the drama with Chani becomes pure nonsense.
5. Gurney is somehow okay with Paul leading his Fremen forces to kill off all the great houses.

Villeneuve wanted maximum drama and tragedy but didn't think any of it through.

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Absolutely. Messiah was written because Herbert felt readers had misconceptions of Paul being a hero to root for, so he really drove the point in the sequel that we should've been conflicted. Almost felt like Denis adjusted for it knowing how Herbert felt, some may argue over-adjusted. Though I have NO idea how they'll set up Chani for the sequel considering where Denis left her off. There'll be a big time jump, longer than 12 years maybe so that Alia is old enough to be played by Anya Taylor-Joy, hence they'll have to find a compelling explanation as to why Chani would be with Paul in Messiah. REALLY intrigued how Denis will adapt Messiah.

They've totally written themselves into a corner with this ending.

 

[flickchick85]

it's gotta be hugh grant. he's a little b***h.

Agreed 100%.