It's just hard for me to imagine so much taking place in such a desolate place. But I haven't read the book and it's considered a classic so I'm sure my mind will be changed once I read it.
It's just hard for me to imagine so much taking place in such a desolate place. But I haven't read the book and it's considered a classic so I'm sure my mind will be changed once I read it.
Yeah it's actually a rather complicated and nuanced book. Which is why I agree that a GOT-type of ongoing TV show (provided that they'd get the budget to pull it off correctly of course) would probably be best.
That's the thing about Dune. I, like Doctor Jones, lack a point of reference for the universe. The movie is eh, the mini-series was better but was still eh. There's no comic books, toys, or games (that I know of).
The only way to dig into it is by reading the book, and that already feels like a daunting task.
Yeah and I mean all the books are out there. They're done. Even the later novels written by Herbert's son and Kevin Anderson. So it's not like they'd have the issues that Game of Thrones does in running out of novels to adapt for the seasons.
But again if you tried to turn this into a movie franchise...I feel you run the risk of compromising the integrity of the story and making too many changes. Because when you make a movie suddenly you are spending $200 million or more and you have to get a ROI.
With TV, now you can still have large scale productions, but you can have the creative freedom to tell more narratively risky and bold stories without having to worry about breaking even at domestic or overseas or wherever.
Now maybe if they wanted to break up the original novel into a couple of films. But even then, that would be a risky choice as well. Not to mention:
In the first book, Paul and Chani's infant son is murdered by Harkonnen soldiers. Even the David Lynch movie cut this out.
Yeah and I mean all the books are out there. They're done. Even the later novels written by Herbert's son and Kevin Anderson. So it's not like they'd have the issues that Game of Thrones does in running out of novels to adapt for the seasons.
But again if you tried to turn this into a movie franchise...I feel you run the risk of compromising the integrity of the story and making too many changes. Because when you make a movie suddenly you are spending $200 million or more and you have to get a ROI.
With TV, now you can still have large scale productions, but you can have the creative freedom to tell more narratively risky and bold stories without having to worry about breaking even at domestic or overseas or wherever.
Now maybe if they wanted to break up the original novel into a couple of films. But even then, that would be a risky choice as well. Not to mention:
In the first book, Paul and Chani's infant son is murdered by Harkonnen soldiers. Even the David Lynch movie cut this out.
Frankly, after Netflix dropped 150 million $ on just the first season of The Crown, I fail to see any reason that a production company like Netflix or HBO wouldn't do it - they clearly have the cash and the stones for such financial risks. HBO may try to tackle it after GoT - as that has been their cash cow for years and it's ending.
He is an ebophile. The Lynch version had to take shortcut, so the twisted way of life of the Baron was translated visualy by his addiction to disease, I think it was smart based on the constraints of a movie.
If Nolan could give the Bat series a hard PG-13, Dune should be fine. You can have some shockingly brutal violence and subject matter, and even nudity with that rating these days.
I don't know... The source material has elements of sexual domination, pedophilia, as noted, the killing of an infant, essentially cosmic crack as a driving force of the plot... I think any adaptation that is not a big deviation from the book(s) has a lot of inherently adult/mature material.
Kind of an off the wall suggestion here, but in terms of an HBO-like TV adaptation, what does everyone think about starting with Dune: House Atriedes instead? The prequel books are less revered by far, so they can do HBO stuff to them all they like without getting too many purists angry, and build interest for the franchise as a whole. Also, by the time they get to doing the real Dune novel, there will be less of a comparison to the earlier miniseries because so much new story will have been told, and the franchise would have (ideally) a much larger following by then.
Think of it the other way around. The first book is ****ing awesome, the second and third books are worthwhile sequels, and books 4-6 you have to start increasing amounts of weed to make the most of them.
Kind of an off the wall suggestion here, but in terms of an HBO-like TV adaptation, what does everyone think about starting with Dune: House Atriedes instead? The prequel books are less revered by far, so they can do HBO stuff to them all they like without getting too many purists angry, and build interest for the franchise as a whole. Also, by the time they get to doing the real Dune novel, there will be less of a comparison to the earlier miniseries because so much new story will have been told, and the franchise would have (ideally) a much larger following by then.
I think it will be hard enough to adapt properly so let's start with the good stuff directly ( Dune ) and if it sticks the books sequels ( Messiah etc ).
On a personal note, I found the prequel books not very well written and some parts even diminish the mythology of Frank Herbert's story.
Dune Encyclopedia is a better read than the whole prequels books.
PS : Paul's son death is not described in the book, it's only told, there is really nothing touchy about telling that in a movie/TV series. I never saw The Baron as a pedophile, he's more into young men/teens which is not the same thing. All the sexual bonding stuff is in the last book, I doubt the movie/TV series will go that far in the story.
Kind of an off the wall suggestion here, but in terms of an HBO-like TV adaptation, what does everyone think about starting with Dune: House Atriedes instead? The prequel books are less revered by far, so they can do HBO stuff to them all they like without getting too many purists angry, and build interest for the franchise as a whole. Also, by the time they get to doing the real Dune novel, there will be less of a comparison to the earlier miniseries because so much new story will have been told, and the franchise would have (ideally) a much larger following by then.
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