Sci-Fi Dune

[KRYPTON INC.]

Christopher Robin as a villain?

He certainly was a villain to Anakin after Mustafar...


From a certain point of view.

 

[Lily Adler]

He certainly was a villain to Anakin after Mustafar...


From a certain point of view.

The insult to the art of cinema was the real villain there.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

The insult to the art of cinema was the real villain there.

The real treasure was the sand that was coarse, and rough, and irritating, and it got everywhere, that we collected along the way.

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Turns out this was true for Denis' DUNE too.

 

[Marvolo]

While Herbert does describe Shaddam as looking 35, despite being 70, I think it is hard for an actor only 35 to truly pull off the gravitas of a character of that age and station. We also need to remember that people are already aging much slower than they did during Herbert's generation.

With that in mind, Ewan McGregor is my pick. He looks much younger than his age, he is great in villainous roles, and he can pull off that presence. Fassbender and Bale both look a little rough for their ages due to their body transformations for roles.

Pugh is completely wrong for Irulan. Irulan is described as tall, thin, blonde, fair, with a haughty air to her. She is meant to be a physical contrast to short, elfin, and down to earth Chani, who is practical and less regal.

Elizabeth Debicki is basically perfect for Irulan. She is supposed to older than Paul and Chani as well.

When I think of Shaddam I think of a spoiled weak man born into privilege and in a station he could never earn if he wasn't born into it. I want him to be kind of pathetic when he is finally revealed. A paranoid fool that was manipulated by the Baron into thinking Leto was a threat instead of a valuable ally and asset.

 

[shauner111]

While Herbert does describe Shaddam as looking 35, despite being 70, I think it is hard for an actor only 35 to truly pull off the gravitas of a character of that age and station. We also need to remember that people are already aging much slower than they did during Herbert's generation.

With that in mind, Ewan McGregor is my pick. He looks much younger than his age, he is great in villainous roles, and he can pull off that presence. Fassbender and Bale both look a little rough for their ages due to their body transformations for roles.

Pugh is completely wrong for Irulan. Irulan is described as tall, thin, blonde, fair, with a haughty air to her. She is meant to be a physical contrast to short, elfin, and down to earth Chani, who is practical and less regal.

Elizabeth Debicki is basically perfect for Irulan. She is supposed to older than Paul and Chani as well.

Interesting. Also, Mahershala Ali played a 70 something year old man in True Detective and i absolutely believed he was an old man the entire time. So it IS possible. I think Fassbender can do it too.

As a contrast to Chani okay sure, make her tall. But just because she’s thin and tall in the book, it doesn’t mean it has to be that way. It’s an adaptation. Debicki could very well get the role though.

 

[shauner111]

When I think of Shaddam I think of a spoiled weak man born into privilege and in a station he could never earn if he wasn't born into it. I want him to be kind of pathetic when he is finally revealed. A paranoid fool that was manipulated by the Baron into thinking Leto was a threat instead of a valuable ally and asset.

So Pattinson?

 

[henzINNIT]

'Show don't tell' is a weird defence for this movie to me. It shows a lot of stunning landscapes, and then 90% of the character scenes are exposition. It's nearly all tell.

 

[DKDetective]

Interesting. Also, Mahershala Ali played a 70 something year old man in True Detective and i absolutely believed he was an old man the entire time. So it IS possible. I think Fassbender can do it too.

As a contrast to Chani okay sure, make her tall. But just because she’s thin and tall in the book, it doesn’t mean it has to be that way. It’s an adaptation. Debicki could very well get the role though.

The difference is that Ali was playing an actual old man, just like Atwell or Evans playing Peggy and Steve in old age. The age is played convincingly by mimicking the movements and speech patterns of elderly persons. Whoever is playing Shaddam needs to be able to convey maturity while also looking young and virile. Fassbender doesn't have that unnaturally young and virile look to him. Someone like Mc Gregor does. Jackman could also be a good fit for this as well.

It's an adaptation, but one where for the vast majority of the characters Denis has stayed very close to their descriptions in the book or as portrayed in sanctioned illustrations. Isaac, Chalamet, and Ferguson are basically the Atreides as described by Herbert brought to life. Zendaya as Chani is likewise minus the reddish/auburn hair. There are story and character reasons for Shaddam and Irulan's physical appearances in the book, which I expect Denis will wish to replicate.

 

[shauner111]

The difference is that Ali was playing an actual old man, just like Atwell or Evans playing Peggy and Steve in old age. The age is played convincingly by mimicking the movements and speech patterns of elderly persons. Whoever is playing Shaddam needs to be able to convey maturity while also looking young and virile. Fassbender doesn't have that unnaturally young and virile look to him. Someone like Mc Gregor does. Jackman could also be a good fit for this as well.

It's an adaptation, but one where for the vast majority of the characters Denis has stayed very close to their descriptions in the book or as portrayed in sanctioned illustrations. Isaac, Chalamet, and Ferguson are basically the Atreides as described by Herbert brought to life. Zendaya as Chani is likewise minus the reddish/auburn hair. There are story and character reasons for Shaddam and Irulan's physical appearances in the book, which I expect Denis will wish to replicate.

I’d put Jackman, McGregor in the same category as Fassbender in terms of looks. They all look 45. So what about Pattinson, Gyllenhaal, Gosling, Leto?

 

[DKDetective]

I’d put Jackman, McGregor in the same category as Fassbender in terms of looks. They all look 45. So what about Pattinson, Gyllenhaal, Gosling, Leto?

Yeah, they all mid-40s but McGregor and Jackman are both older than that, which fits Shaddam's essence of looking young for his age. I think the realistic best case for Shaddam is a mature actor who looks really well preserved for their age, even if they don't look 35. As I said, Herbert's idea of 35 is Sean Connery in Thunderball or You Only Live Twice (which is more like what 45 year old Hollywood stars look like now.) Fassbender looks his age if not older. He doesn't have that well-preserved youthful quality that McGregor or Jackman have. There almost needs to an artificial aspect to his appearance.

Hate Leto, his recent turns are massively overrated and he is distracting if anything. He bugged me tremendously in BR2049. Pattinson is way too young. If anything, he would make a wonderful Feyd. I don't know about Gosling or Gyllenhaal. They could be options, but I would prefer someone a little older than Isaac. Shaddam should have a similar look to Duke Leto as they are royal cousins.

 

[Eddie Dean]

Both the Lynch film and the miniseries went with an older actor for gravitas over staying faithful to that element of the book. I could see them doing that here too and getting someone along the lines of Ralph Fiennes or Neeson. Daniel Craig would be great and he’s already got those blue eyes.

 

[Eddie Dean]

Or if they race bend, Ken Wantanabe. He’s been in a ton of stuff for WB.

 

[shauner111]

Leto fit the few scenes he had in Bladerunner. His age also made a lot of sense for that character. Better than the Bowie and Oldman choices they were going for originally. They were too old for the part.

Despite how annoyed we are of Leto, he’s still an option here. I hope it’s not him but Denis is a fan. Jackman’s not one of those guys like Paul Rudd who is 50 and looks 35. He still looks like a middle aged man. And has looked that way for a while now. You say he’s 50 but looks 45, but the guy has looked 45 for fifteen years now. Maybe you got a point but I think the character will look younger.

If we’re looking at people who are 35-45 and can still play roles where they’re in their early 30’s...then I’d go with a Jake Gyllenhaal, Ryan Gosling, Tom Hardy type.

Rob can play late 20’s-early 30’s characters but from what I know Feyd’s supposed to be Paul’s age right? So Barry Keoghan makes more sense. I still think Rob is an option for the Emperor, especially since his schedule is totally free for next fall unless he’s doing Nosferatu at that time. Speaking of Nosferatu, Anya is busy with that and many other projects. I doubt she’ll be available for Dune. I like the Comer and Debicki suggestions.

Both the Lynch film and the miniseries went with an older actor for gravitas over staying faithful to that element of the book. I could see them doing that here too and getting someone along the lines of Ralph Fiennes or Neeson. Daniel Craig would be great and he’s already got those blue eyes.

I see Denis sticking to the book and not honouring Lynch. It’s like casting Harry Styles for Feyd because Sting is a musician and Mick Jagger was Jodorowsky’s pick or whatever it was that I heard. I doubt Denis casts Harry Styles to keep that tradition going. He’ll probably cast Keoghan. So I see him going with a younger actor for the Emperor.

 

[Eddie Dean]

Barry is too ugly for Feyd

Feyd needs to be beautiful

 

[shauner111]

Jagger is ugly AF. But it’s also subjective.

 

[Eddie Dean]

Fidelity was probably not Jodorwosky’s main concern. The book describes Feyd as stunningly beautiful.

 

[Marvolo]

more deleted scenes

Denis left the heart and soul of the film on the damn editing room floor.

And if you're hoping for an extended cut...we can abandon that hope:

So Pattinson?

The way he played the Dauphin in the movie The King is pretty close to how I want Shaddam to be.

 

[emc5466]

David Lynch’s version is better. The cast is better, the movie is warmer and weirder than DV’s. Lynch’s film has flaws but it’s also ALIVE, which is something I can’t say about Denis’ cold and lifeless movie.

Take the Harkonnen for example, DV’s version are understated and boring, Lynch’s Harkonnen are loud, colorful and more interesting. Herbert wrote them to be decadent and grotesque, not dull and timid. Patrick Stewart, Dean Stockwell and Brad Dourif also shine in supporting roles. Jurgen Prochnow is also a better Duke than the sleepy Oscar Isaac who is usually reliable but is given nothing in this.

 

[shauner111]

Isaac is fantastic in this.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

 

[shauner111]

Serious = boring?

 

[Axl Van Sixx]

All I can say is that I'm happy Part Two is being produced. Great movie, but it needs a conclusion.

 

[Lily Adler]

Isaac is fantastic in this.

He's also a spiffy dancer.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Serious = boring?

Yes of course.

That's... exactly what I meant.


You... You ****ing cracked the code son.

Or...





His character is boring. The performance is boring because no amount of "portent" in the music can make up for a defecit of emotional connection. For about two hours before he's dies we get... A convo about how he wanted to be a pilot. That's about as human as this thing got. Given that it's being defended online along with everything else in this film you'd think this was stirring, engaging or iconic as perfromances go but... It's just there. Like so much of the film. Adding nothing of particular value to the proceedings. Because ultimately nothing in this film makes you care about anyone or anything.

From the director to indeed the actors the choice was seemingly made to go for either opaque weirdness or holding cards to the chest so close that not a thing that was intended registers to the viewer. And when that happens you stop caring about the world you are spending oh so very much time in. By the end I didn't care about Leto, his family or what happened to make them nearly wiped off the map of history.


Now, when do the the ( ironically coming from THIS ****ing community of all places...) charges, implicitly and explicitly, of lack of intelligence in those who don't get this mastepiece start flying around?


Can't wait for that to start.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

He's also a spiffy dancer.