Sci-Fi Dune

[Weather Witch]

Legendary announced an enormous range of merchandising partners.

Legendary Entertainment Reveal ‘Dune’ Consumer Product Partners

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Legendary announced an enormous range of merchandising partners.

Legendary Entertainment Reveal ‘Dune’ Consumer Product Partners

Going well.

 

[Comicbookguy339]

Dune chugging along nicely.

 

[Man in the Suit]

 

[TheVileOne]

HBO Max release model is garbage. Should not have happened.

I find it absurd that this movie still didnt cross $100M at domestic box office. $89M at this moment. And despite that it's still overall in top 10 box office releases this year. I dont get it. I mean it was clear after that first to 2nd week drop off it would have hard time climbing. And in following weeks it did kept being just behind Eternals which was recent release. But you wish it did better.

It will likely at the end overtake Halloween Kills for domestic box office ($90M), but i am not sure it will Godzilla vs King which is right on that $100M mark.

Because they released it day and date.

 

[moviefreak]

Regarding the spotter ships and all crafts in Dune universe -they all employed mostly the same tech and operate with the same principle as the ornithopters - just on a smaller scale.

I noted that Villeneuve & his writing team trimmed down a lot of stuff. A lot, otherwise it would have been a 10 hours movie lol. Characters like the mentats Thufir Hawat & Piter De Vries have reduced roles. I also feel that Villeneuve was acutely aware of the short attention span of today's cinema audience. It would never have been a problem with me back in the '70s when double bills were the norm and slow openings were common.

 

[Weather Witch]

Strong legs indeed. With a lower budget than Godzilla vs. Kong, it'll likely beat its Domestic BO. It's also less than a million away from beating its WW BO excluding China.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Regarding the spotter ships and all crafts in Dune universe -they all employed mostly the same tech and operate with the same principle as the ornithopters - just on a smaller scale.

I noted that Villeneuve & his writing team trimmed down a lot of stuff. A lot, otherwise it would have been a 10 hours movie lol. Characters like the mentats Thufir Hawat & Piter De Vries have reduced roles. I also feel that Villeneuve was acutely aware of the short attention span of today's cinema audience. It would never have been a problem with me back in the '70s when double bills were the norm and slow openings were common.

It's 2hrs and 35 minutes long and there's long stretches where literally the view is sand dunes. Or Zendaya walking on sand dunes. Or a desert mouse on sand dunes.

How about this... This 2hr and 35min slow burn to nowhere doesn't take the attential span of the audience into account because if it did Denis would have done something with this setting and characters after 2hrs and 35min.

If this had been written and conceieved to attract my attention I wouldn't mind watching a three or four hour cut. Alas, he would rather "Create a dream like state" or whatever auteur BS people will use to cover for this movie, it's story and plot being done and performed in the dullest manner possible with the emptiest allusions to anyting of depth.

 

[TheVileOne]

I mean setting up that whole mouse thing and not giving any payoff was pretty bad writing and storytelling. They picked the worst possible place to end the story. That's a bad ending.

"Do not be deceived by the fact that he was born on Caladan and lived his first 15 years there. Arrakis, the planet known as Dune, is forever his place."

Imagine the movie ending on that note. Would've been both inspirational and ominous. That's exactly the right note you need to strike with Paul Atreides.

 

[Mjolnir Reborn]

It's 2hrs and 35 minutes long and there's long stretches where literally the view is sand dunes. Or Zendaya walking on sand dunes. Or a desert mouse on sand dunes.

How about this... This 2hr and 35min slow burn to nowhere doesn't take the attential span of the audience into account because if it did Denis would have done something with this setting and characters after 2hrs and 35min.

If this had been written and conceieved to attract my attention I wouldn't mind watching a three or four hour cut. Alas, he would rather "Create a dream like state" or whatever auteur BS people will use to cover for this movie, it's story and plot being done and performed in the dullest manner possible with the emptiest allusions to anyting of depth.

Since I've seen you asking why people like something in this thread and the main superhero one, and not being satisfied with the answers I'd say that it looks like this post answers why. It's not uncommon to write opinion like fact just to be lazy but to refer to what others say as BS to cover for the fact that is your opinion is something else, especially as you talk about it being dull which is more subjective than to point to something like being logically inconsistent. It just doesn't come across as someone trying to understand anything but just wants to state his dislike. Nothing wrong with that in itself but the pretense feels unnecessary if so as it feels more like an attempt to be confrontative.

 

[Neno_Kos]

love this

 

[Marvolo]

I mean setting up that whole mouse thing and not giving any payoff was pretty bad writing and storytelling. They picked the worst possible place to end the story. That's a bad ending.

"Do not be deceived by the fact that he was born on Caladan and lived his first 15 years there. Arrakis, the planet known as Dune, is forever his place."

Imagine the movie ending on that note. Would've been both inspirational and ominous. That's exactly the right note you need to strike with Paul Atreides.

Honestly this is probably the worst Part 1 ending I've seen. Matrix Reloaded and DH1 were frustrating but had Smith in the real world and Voldemort with the Elder Wand to leave audiences with. This had Paul killing a questionably competent random fremen, and Paul going into the desert with a bunch of spice junkies. There needed to be some visual confirmation that the Fremen had real power and numbers. That there was a lot of water somewhere. That Paul was taking his first steps toward godhood. Maybe have the final shot be Paul before an army of fremen in a sietch intercut with Feyd or Raban overseeing the execution of thousands of fremen.

 

[antsman41]

I just don’t get you guys. This ending wasn’t about Paul. It was about Jessica witnessing what she’s at fault of creating… it’s all in her eyes. The only thing I would change about the ending was cut to black after the shot of her face changing, and understanding she helped create a possible monster. Don’t add in the shot of them all walking away on the sand dune.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I just don’t get you guys. This ending wasn’t about Paul. It was about Jessica witnessing what she’s at fault of creating… it’s all in her eyes. The only thing I would change about the ending was cut to black after the shot of her face changing, and understanding she helped create a possible monster. Don’t add in the shot of them all walking away on the sand dune.

To me the ending was about Paul. It's the culmination of his visions up to that point. His fears having come to reality, but also him realizing the path it has laid out in front him. The path his father spoke of. The one which will save his life and his house. One built with desert power.

At the end Paul is finally a man. One with purpose. By the end of the second part, he'll be a messiah.

 

[antsman41]

Well the film’s overall arc is that. But, the final note is all about Jessica reacting to said arc. She set him on this path / created this Paul… and now she’s scared of what she’s created.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Well the film’s overall arc is that. But, the final note is all about Jessica reacting to said arc. She set him on this path / created this Paul… and now she’s scared of what she’s created.

I disagree because of how the scene is framed. Paul seeing Chani and the worm being ridden. The sequence is doing more then one thing, but for me the music mixed with the dialogue and images are setting up the promise of Paul's further adventure over everything else. Mainly as, that's how you sell the need for the sequel.

 

[Marvolo]

The film needed more of this terror and dread from Paul. Intercutting it with Chani was a mistake tho. Should have intercut it with flashes of the Jihad or kept the scene on Paul entirely.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

The film needed more of this terror and dread from Paul. Intercutting it with Chani was a mistake tho. Should have intercut it with flashes of the Jihad or kept the scene on Paul entirely.

I'm so glad Denis made the movie, and not his online critics. You can tell who the accomplished storyteller is, and who isn't.

The point of the jumble of images is to show why Paul can't understand his visions. Why they confuse him, haunt him, make him feel like a freak. Why is this girl there? Why is this man, who is apparently my friend? What is their connection to a Jihadi? Why, why, why?!

 

[Marvolo]

I'm so glad Denis made the movie, and not his online critics. You can tell who the accomplished storyteller is, and who isn't.

The point of the jumble of images is to show why Paul can't understand his visions. Why they confuse him, haunt him, make him feel like a freak. Why is this girl there? Why is this man, who is apparently my friend? What is their connection to a Jihadi? Why, why, why?!

Yes, I'm sure downplaying, to the point of cutting entirely, one of the most unique aspects of Dune's narrative and Paul's character was the better choice.

His dread in this scene is clearly about the Jihad and the ramifications of his destiny which the BG and by extension Jessica trapped him in. Not Chani. This particular scene like the pain box scene takes attention from Paul and focuses on the wrong thing. Probably because Denis and the editor realized the climax was limp as a wet noodle so they had to cram Chani in in an attempt to create some build up.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Yes, I'm sure downplaying, to the point of cutting entirely, one of the most unique aspects of Dune's narrative and Paul's character was the better choice.

His dread in this scene is clearly about the Jihad and the ramifications of his destiny which the BG and by extension Jessica trapped him in. Not Chani. This particular scene like the pain box scene takes attention from Paul and focuses on the wrong thing. Probably because Denis and the editor realized the climax was limp as a wet noodle so they had to cram Chani in in an attempt to create some build up.

I'm not sure if you read Dune or it's sequels. The way you speak about it, it sounds like you read the cliff notes version. But let's do a basic lesson in storytelling.

The sisterhood didn't trap Paul into anything. Paul isn't suppose to exist. He's come before his time, because of Jessica, who went against he sisterhood by not only having him, but teaching him their ways. Because of this, Paul has dreams. Dreams he can't control. Their order, like most dreams, fluid. Their meaning, unclear to him.

You say his visions are of the Jihad, yet fail to grasp that his first step on that Jihad is Chani handing him that knife. Chani, who in Paul's visions, represents the Fremen, his army. His first kill. His entrance into manhood and acceptance into a sietch. It is why those visions are all jumbled together. The path Paul is walking becomes more clear as the book(s) go on, and we learn of the concept of the Golden Path and takes the water of life, to see more clearly. But at that point of the story, Paul is a scared, moody teen who just lost everything, who lashes out at his mom. He's scared and frustrated by these dreams he does not understand, dreams he only has because of his mother.

It's really not that hard, no matter how much a lot of what is written in here tries to make it so. Thankfully, audiences are on the whole seem to grasp basic storytelling and we will get Part 2.

 

[TheVileOne]

I'm so glad Denis made the movie, and not his online critics. You can tell who the accomplished storyteller is, and who isn't.

The point of the jumble of images is to show why Paul can't understand his visions. Why they confuse him, haunt him, make him feel like a freak. Why is this girl there? Why is this man, who is apparently my friend? What is their connection to a Jihadi? Why, why, why?!

He's a good director, but he's also not infallible either.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

He's a good director, but he's also not infallible either.

He's a fantastic director. And in this case, the complaining is so obviously off base, like with 2049, that it affirms my trust in Denis and his vision.

I personally wouldn't have ended the movie where he did, but I also know why he did it. Because it gives the film it's own kind of payoff, while also leaving the promise of what is to come.

Denis did nearly the impossible. He adapted a huge portion of Dune to film, was faithful to the source material, and got audiences to love it and clearly want more. But reading this thread, you'd think he made Justice League and audience responded similarly.

 

[Sithborg]

Yes, I'm sure downplaying, to the point of cutting entirely, one of the most unique aspects of Dune's narrative and Paul's character was the better choice.

His dread in this scene is clearly about the Jihad and the ramifications of his destiny which the BG and by extension Jessica trapped him in. Not Chani. This particular scene like the pain box scene takes attention from Paul and focuses on the wrong thing. Probably because Denis and the editor realized the climax was limp as a wet noodle so they had to cram Chani in in an attempt to create some build up.

I like it as it makes Chani sort of an important point of his visions, so when he sees her, that is sort of the real key to believing his visions. That he still isn't fully sure of them until he sees her. And what they did with in her in the visions is better than in the book.

I also appreciate the adding of Jamis to the visions, to make the "funeral" scene better. Also makes his brief view that he can change is visions stronger than just ****ing "Paul Maud'dib".

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I like it as it makes Chani sort of an important point of his visions, so when he sees her, that is sort of the real key to believing his visions. That he still isn't fully sure of them until he sees her. And what they did with in her in the visions is better than in the book.

I also appreciate the adding of Jamis to the visions, to make the "funeral" scene better. Also makes his brief view that he can change is visions stronger than just ****ing "Paul Maud'dib".

Chani is the Fremen in his dream. I love the shot of him over Caladan with her, their eyes matching. It says so much, with so little. That and the fact that everything he has been seeing up to this point has meaning when he finally sees her. It' "starts". Especially as other visions he has had, including his of Duncan, have left him devastated. Chani is hope. For him, for his house.

 

[Man in the Suit]

He's a fantastic director. And in this case, the complaining is so obviously off base, like with 2049, that it affirms my trust in Denis and his vision.

I personally wouldn't have ended the movie where he did, but I also know why he did it. Because it gives the film it's own kind of payoff, while also leaving the promise of what is to come.

Denis did nearly the impossible. He adapted a huge portion of Dune to film, was faithful to the source material, and got audiences to love it and clearly want more. But reading this thread, you'd think he made Justice League and audience responded similarly.

My reaction while reading this thread: