Ender's Game

[ChickenScratch]

If I took issue with the politics or personal beliefs of most creative types I would never watch tv, movies or listen to music. Why cannot people separate the art and artist.

 

[Tanin]

100's of people go into making a movie, producing a book or art in general. Should I personally vet every single person and hope that they are all 'clean'?

 

[Teelie]

They aren't forcing anyone to boycott the film. It's still coming out and the people who want to see it will and the people who don't want to see it won't. I don't know why people on any side of any issue get so offended at boycotts?

In a very abstract way, you are offending them. You don't like/do like something and someone else feels the opposite, that person must think you are equally offensive for believing differently.

This is the basis for a lot of the antagonism in the world. To believe differently from someone is to make them feel like somehow they are wrong for it. And no one likes to feel they are wrong.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

The America I already live in isn't great but I'm damn sure glad I don't live in the theocracy based version that Mr. Card craves. That being said I'm not boycotting the film but I haven't decided if I'm interested enough to see it yet.

And I agree that I too would never watch anything if I vetted all artists beliefs before hand.

 

[Sawyer]

I don't want to see the movie because it looks absolutely mediocre to me. Card being a bigoted ***hole is a seperate thing entirely.

Boycotts... I don't know. They're kind of like online petitions to me. Do they ever really accomplish much? Stop trying to organize over anything and everything you can, and just let people make their own decisions.

 

[Thundercrack85]

Well that could always result in a backlash, with every anti-gay person going to go see it, a la Chick-fil-A, making the movie a hit.

 

[Thundercrack85]

100's of people go into making a movie, producing a book or art in general. Should I personally vet every single person and hope that they are all 'clean'?

To be fair this is one man's work, who is a notorious bigot.

 

[Poni_Boy]

To be fair this is one man's work, who is a notorious bigot.

Yes, so lets punish the thousands of people who worked on this movie in a convoluted effort to prove a point to the author of the award winning book which it's based on. An author who won't feel the effect of of a boycott at all.

While we're at it lets forget about Freedom of Speech because why not.

Yes, makes complete sense. America.

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

 

[Sawyer]

Yes, so lets punish the thousands of people who worked on this movie in a convoluted effort to prove a point to the author of the award winning book which it's based on. An author who won't feel the effect of of a boycott at all.

While we're at it lets forget about Freedom of Speech because why not.

Yes, makes complete sense. America.

Yes, lets shout out "Freedom of Speech" every time some idiot spouts some nonsense and someone/an entire group has a problem with it.

 

[Thundercrack85]

Yes, so lets punish the thousands of people who worked on this movie in a convoluted effort to prove a point to the author of the award winning book which it's based on. An author who won't feel the effect of of a boycott at all.

While we're at it lets forget about Freedom of Speech because why not.

Yes, makes complete sense. America.

You make it sound like they won't get paid if no one goes to see this movie.

He has the right to express himself, and people have the right to tell him he's a miserable person and not pay to see his work.

 

[Project862006]

you act like card wants to exterminate homosexuals lol

now that kid from growing pains is far worse

 

[Thundercrack85]

you act like card wants to exterminate homosexuals lol

now that kid from growing pains is far worse

No. He just wants to lock them up. Or, at least he used to, until public pressure mounted.

Well, I would never go see a Kirk Cameron movie, but then I'm not into religious B movies.

 

[Poni_Boy]

You make it sound like they won't get paid if no one goes to see this movie.

He has the right to express himself, and people have the right to tell him he's a miserable person and not pay to see his work.

Of course they'll get paid. But any "scandal" like this will negatively affect the vast majority of the people involved with the film. This movie is supposed to be the first in a new franchise. All those involved in making it should suffer because of something they have no control in?


People want to hurt him? Don't buy his books. THAT will hurt him tremendously. But boycotting a movie he has nothing to do with outside of writing the source material 20 years ago will not hurt him. It will hurt the success of the production.

 

[Thundercrack85]

What were they drafted to take part in this movie?

You do understand Card gets considerable royalties, right? Not just the movie, the merchandise too.

 

[Tanin]

Yes, so lets punish the thousands of people who worked on this movie in a convoluted effort to prove a point to the author of the award winning book which it's based on. An author who won't feel the effect of of a boycott at all.

While we're at it lets forget about Freedom of Speech because why not.

Yes, makes complete sense. America.

He's free to say that all he wants. And homosexuals or anyone else for that matter are free to say that's messed up... we won't read your books anymore.
I personally won't because I just don't do that.

 

[Poni_Boy]

Yes, lets shout out "Freedom of Speech" every time some idiot spouts some nonsense and someone/an entire group has a problem with it.

Unfortunately someone has to shout it out loud when an opposing force forgets that it exists. There's too much "I'm right and you're wrong" and not enough "believe what you want to believe just don't tread on me."

As misguided as I feel Card is in him stance it became his stance because of his religious beliefs. Archaic beliefs? Sure. Nonsensical beliefs? Sure. But it's still his right to practice his religion. Too bad people keep asking him to address the issue. If they didn't, he wouldn't say anything.

 

[Thundercrack85]

Who here is saying Card can't write books, spout bigotry, and support amoral legislation - which does actually infringe on people's rights?

 

[danoyse]

The things Card has said were absolutely vile, and I wouldn't blame anyone who chose to not to support his work because of them.

But if I dissected the political beliefs of everyone, I'd probably wind up boycotting everything I watch, read, or listen to. It's a no-win situation.

I was a fan of the book, and I'll likely still check out the movie. I still want to see it.

I have friends with kids in the Boy Scouts, who despise their stance on the LGBT community, but they don't want to deprive their kids of being in the Boy Scouts. It's just punishing their kids, and as parents, they teach them better than a stupid policy.

 

[Poni_Boy]

You do understand Card gets considerable royalties, right? Not just the movie, the merchandise too.

You do understand that Card doesn't own the film rights to the property, correct? He sold his portion of them to Warner Bros over 10 years ago, who in turn sold them to Odd Lot, who in turn sold the majority to Summit who is financing the movie. Any royalties he receives would be trivial, he's been stinking rich for decades. Easily worth more than any of the actors involved save Harrison Ford. Does anyone think this would actually hurt Card financially?

It comes down to this: Are you willing to hurt the livelihoods of thousands of people in an effort to try and bruise one person?

 

[Thundercrack85]

It comes down to this: Are you willing to hurt thousands of people in an effort to try and bruise one person?

Absolutely. Though I'm not sure if it's necessary.

Too soon to tell.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

It's not about Freedom of Speech. Nobody is stopping him from saying that he wants gay sex (and any sex he doesn't like) outlawed and nobody is stopping him from saying that gay people should be locked up. A group of people are just saying that they don't want to put money in his pockets, donate to his anti gay crusade by putting money in his pockets because they disagree with his opinions. Freedom of Speech does not mean freedom from criticism.

Personally I think the boycott will just draw more attention to his film and help the box office. That's why I think that this particular boycott will backfire and is doing more harm to those people's cause than good.

 

[Thundercrack85]

I agree. It will be Chick-fil-A all over again.

 

[Poni_Boy]

But if I dissected the political beliefs of everyone, I'd probably wind up boycotting everything I watch, read, or listen to. It's a no-win situation.

When the media makes a spectacle of an issue people have a hard time separating the artist from the art work

 

[danoyse]

You do understand that Card doesn't own the film rights to the property, correct? He sold his portion of them to Warner Bros over 10 years ago, who in turn sold them to Odd Lot, who in turn sold the majority to Summit who is financing the movie. Any royalties he receives would be trivial, he's been stinking rich for decades. Easily worth more than any of the actors involved save Harrison Ford. Does anyone think this would actually hurt Card financially?

It comes down to this: Are you willing to hurt thousands of people in an effort to try and bruise one person?

Bingo. I worked for a company that had religious groups calling for boycotts of our products because we had the nerve to extend health benefits for same-sex partners. But why should I lose my job because you don't like a policy that I had no control over (which I also completely supported)?

That's what it comes down to.

It's like the Chik-Fil-A protest last year. Yes, the CEO is a jackass. But why punish the kids trying to pay for college, or people supporting their families working at their restaurants with those kinds of boycotts?

I'd rather channel my energy towards positive projects - the Trevor Project, GLAAD, BC/EFA, etc., then waste my time organizing a boycott.