"F*** The King" - A Joffrey Baratheon Memorial Thread

[Hyde]

"Bronn, the next time Ser Merwyn speaks, kill him."

 

[Beige Lantern]

That's a long debated topic on the nature of evil. Is it the wickedness of the act or the extent of the damage? For instance, Hitler is widely regarded as the most evil man in history, but Stalin's body count was several times higher, and Genghis Khan trumps both with a whopping 60 million. The difference, I suppose, is Stalin went after political opponents - real and imagined - while Hitler went after people just for being who they were.

There's also active malice vs. mere disregard for life. Craster didn't do anything he did for the joy of hurting people, but simply because the results of such suited his fancy. Joffrey liked hurting people, liked it a lot. But you could make the argument that since Joffrey was satisfying an urge he's slightly less evil, whereas Craster felt no urge to commit evil, he just did it out of convenience.

It's a lot to throw around, and 3000 years of philosophy hasn't resolved it. But I'm sure we will on this thread!

 

[Beige Lantern]

Also, both of them were small time. I don't see Joffrey instituting ethnic cleansing or mass slaughter; he was content to torture individuals within his small circle. Likewise, Craster never left his little hovel north of the Wall.

 

[Beige Lantern]

But then AGAIN... the only people who came within Joffrey's sphere of abuse were, on the whole, there by some measure of their own choice. Craster's victims were born into it, and the abuse started on day one.

Whew... a lot to think about.

 

[chamber-music]

Also, both of them were small time. I don't see Joffrey instituting ethnic cleansing or mass slaughter; he was content to torture individuals within his small circle. Likewise, Craster never left his little hovel north of the Wall.

Joffery did have Robert's illegitimate children slaughtered. That was mass slaughter although he did it so they couldn't challenge him for the throne rather than out of some sadistic whim.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

I wonder what Joffrey would have turned out like with a better upbringing. His mother isn't much better than he was.

 

[chamber-music]

I wonder what Joffrey would have turned out like with a better upbringing. His mother isn't much better than he was.

It is the age old nature vs nurture debate.

Is Joffrey a psychopath because of his upbringing or is there something inherently wrong with him.

Joffrey's siblings Tommen and Myrcella both seemed like nice stable kids so I think it is probably the latter.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

Joffrey's siblings Tommen and Myrcella both seemed like nice stable kids so I think it is probably the latter.

Yeah, but Cersei always paid more attention to Joffrey than the other two.

 

[BatmanBeyond]

Yeah, but Cersei always paid more attention to Joffrey than the other two.

Yep, Cersei's a horrible mom. She's a horrible everything, essentially.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

One of the character defining moments for me with Cersei is from early in Season 2 when she threatens to have Littlefinger (a crucial ally) butchered just to show him that she's of a higher station than he is and she can do it in the blink of an eye. It was the type of bonehead move Joffrey would make.

 

[krycek]

Joffrey's best moments was always getting slapped around.

 

[Ramsay Snow]

Brilliant.

 

[KevanG]

If he had gotten smacked around that much when he was younger he might have been a better kid. Of course the inbreeding didn't do him much good either.

Still find it hilarious how much transferred hate the actor gets from playing him.

 

[Rowsdower!]

Haha love that Batman Begins gif. If only Rachel had just let Crane kill the little brat, so much suffering in Westeros would never have happened.

 

[ComicChick]

Also, both of them were small time. I don't see Joffrey instituting ethnic cleansing or mass slaughter; he was content to torture individuals within his small circle. Likewise, Craster never left his little hovel north of the Wall.

he did once threaten the idea of banning homesexual acts (in reference to Renly's "degenerative behavior" or making it punishable by death. i don't remember it exactly, but i believe he was talking to margaery at the time