Transformers First Transformers Set Pictures

[CFlash]

thank you...i'm sorry but if i had a kid and they wanted to see a new Spider-Man movie that's been drastically altered from the comic book...

...i'm still gonna take them to see the movie because 1) i'm still a Spider-Man fan so it'd be interesting to see someone else's take on it and 2) because it's what my KID wants.....not me. once you have a kid, his/her wants and needs come first.

Which is why you're suppossed to TALK to your kid and explain to them why you think the movie is crap and if they're still insistant then by all means go ahead. This is how you teach kids to think analytically and make decisions for themselves.... rather than be SPOONFED by things like "marketing."

Using your analogy... I would explain to her how Spider-Man at some point may have been an artists or writer's artistic expression... and how the movie may or may not betray the original intent of the art and instead is just made purely "to make money." (I do not believe that about Spider-Man by the way).

Luckily, my daughter and I have a good relationship like that.... Well, most of the time anyway. She does still insist on collecting Barbie's .

 

[DorkyFresh]

Using your analogy... I would explain to her how Spider-Man at some point may have been an artists or writer's artistic expression... and how the movie may or may not betray the original intent of the art and instead is just made purely "to make money." (I do not believe that about Spider-Man by the way).

soryr but i don't think most 5 to 10 year olds are gonna care about an idea being 'betrayed'. if they see the trailer for Transformers and like what they see in the trailer, then they're gonna wanna see MORE of what's in the TRAILER. i could show them the original cartoons all i want to make the point that they're not being totally faithful.....but in the end, they'll most likely still want to see the movie just because of how 'cool' the TRAILER looked to them.

This is how you teach kids to think analytically and make decisions for themselves.... rather than be SPOONFED by things like "marketing."

if i have a son and he wants to see Transformers, i'll take him. if he wants to see Ninja Turtles, i'll take him. if he wants to see the Incredibles, i'll take him. he's a KID...i'm gonna let him enjoy being a KID. he can worry about making decisions and thinking analytically when he starts becoming an adult...

...kids are supposed to be kids...not adults. being a kid is one of the reasons why most gen 1 fans fell in love with Transformers......not because they were thinking analytically.

 

[Hunter Rider]

if i have a son and he wants to see Transformers, i'll take him. if he wants to see Ninja Turtles, i'll take him. if he wants to see the Incredibles, i'll take him. he's a KID...i'm gonna let him enjoy being a KID. he can worry about making decisions and thinking analytically when he starts becoming an adult...

...kids are supposed to be kids...not adults. being a kid is one of the reasons why most gen 1 fans fell in love with Transformers......not because they were thinking analytically.

AMEN!

 

[CFlash]

If the movie is a kids film and is of a suitable age you take them to see it like my folks took me to see He Man even though "OMG" it was completely altered from my comic experience
Are you telling me if she thought the TF movie looked awesome fun that you wouldn't take her to it b/c they changed some characters you liked as a child ?
also im not a parent but i am an uncle and we do what the kids want if it is suitble,i don't consider an action movie without a heavy plot or faithfulness to something i liked as an 8 year old bad for them

Good luck with that.

I like the fact that I can take my daughter to a place like the Museum of Natural History here in NY and have her genuinely interested in analyzing and asking (really good!) questions than have that spaced out "duh" look on her face.

And, to answer your question I WOULD take her to TF. After explaining to her why I think the movie is a waste... and giving her an alternative... if she still wants to go I'd definately take her. Then, we'd talk about what we BOTH liked and disliked about the movie and what (IF ANYTHING) the movie HAD TO SAY.

I happen to believe movies are art.

 

[Hunter Rider]

Good luck with that.

I like the fact that I can take my daughter to a place like the Museum of Natural History here in NY and have her genuinely interested in analyzing and asking (really good!) questions than have that spaced out "duh" look on her face.

And, to answer your question I WOULD take her to TF. After explaining to her why I think the movie is a waste... and giving her an alternative... if she still wants to go I'd definately take her. Then, we'd talk about what we BOTH liked and disliked about the movie and what (IF ANYTHING) the movie HAD TO SAY.

I happen to believe movies are art.

How old is she ?

 

[Denny67]

i agree that the gen 1 fans deserve a faithful movie, but you're speaking as if gen 1 fans are going to make up the most people who would watch a Transformers movie. you're making the assumption that all parents who are late 20 to early 40 is a gen 1 Transformer fan.

Actually, I was not assuming that at all. I realize not all fans. But now that you bring it up there will be many who are fans and the majority of the people who are going to see it will be familiar with the characters in one way or another. That may be because their, brother, boyfriend, father or whomever breaks it down for them as a commercials start to hit…right around 07/04/06.

once again, i really wish they would've been more faithful to gen 1, but gen 1 fans aren't the ONLY people who hold the credit cards, have families, and drive the economy. there are MILLIONS of adults out there that know next to NOTHING about Transformers....but they're gonna take their kids to see it anyway. not to mention all the teens who are able to drive and love cool looking vehicles and action movies.

Well first off I never said that gen 1 fans were “the ONLY people who hold the credit cards, have families, and drive the economy." What is did say is the 29-40 year old demographic does. That is fact not opinion. At the time that this dominate economic demographic, male and female (at least in the US) were children, they were all watching:

Transformers, Thundercats, G.I. Joe, Go-Bots, Robotech, He-Man, Bionic Six, Captain Harlock, Gummi Bears, Dungeons and Dragons, Ghostbusters, G-Force, Jem, Star Blazers, M.A.S.K., Silverhawks, Smurfs, Voltron, Super Friends ect.. when they got home from school or on Saturday morning.

This is another reason that when products like the Transformers statues and busts were release at a $35 – 40$ price tag. They were (successfully) aiming at the aforementioned age and economic demographic.

don't use gen 1 fans when talking about box office draw because i guarantee that there are more parents that don't know anything about Transformers than there are parents that are gen 1 fans. most likely both types of parents will be taking their kids to go see the film REGARDLESS of if it's based on gen 1 or not, simply because it's gonna have a lot of action and because it's gonna have vehicles that ****ing transform into robots...

The statement of “i guarantee that there are more parents that don't know anything about Transformers than there are parents that are gen 1 fans.” Is pretty (for lack of a better word and not to be insulting) ignorant.

Transformers have been a household name and pop culture icon for over 20 years now, largely based on the popularity and the memory of the original series. If you honestly think this is an underground “geek-world” phenomenon you are sadly mistaken. If you don’t think so, go watch VH1’s I Love the 80’s. You will see a ton of stars mention the Transformers with fond memories, and when they refer to it, they refer to the original series. Why do you think that is? That is what they grew up with.

My “assumption that all parents who are late 20 to early 40 is a gen 1 Transformer fan.” Is for the most part pretty dead on. There are 20+ years of sales and a live action movie being made to prove it.

If you look at the run and incarnations of the Transformers in media there are none that can compare in toy sales, merchandising or popularity to the original.


Save maybe if it is done right Transformers: (2007 live action film)

 

[DorkyFresh]

The statement of “i guarantee that there are more parents that don't know anything about Transformers than there are parents that are gen 1 fans.” Is pretty (for lack of a better word and not to be insulting) ignorant.

Transformers have been a household name and pop culture icon for over 20 years now, largely based on the popularity and the memory of the original series. If you honestly think this is an underground “geek-world” phenomenon you are sadly mistaken. If you don’t think so, go watch VH1’s I Love the 80’s. You will see a ton of stars mention the Transformers with fond memories, and when they refer to it, they refer to the original series. Why do you think that is? That is what they grew up with.

that wasn't mean to be taken literally....of course parents know about Transformers. they ARE a household name like you said, but what i MEANT was that there are more parents out there who don't know the story or characters of Transformers than there are G1 fans. i dare you to ask any parent 25 to 40 who Starscream is and i bet at least half of them won't know.

all i'm sayin' is....gen 1 fans make up a small group of people compared to people who don't know much about Transformers.

 

[ragdus]

Bay has not produced a "classic" movie in his entire career.

Heat.

 

[ragdus]

One major thing you are not thinking about. If you do your math, Gen I fans are the ones who now hold the credit cards, have families and are driving the economy. All are ranging from their late 20’s to early 40’s.

Purely from a demographic stand point, THIS is the audience you want to capture; THIS is the audience who will be going to introduce their young children to the Transformers. The first movie has to be one at least somewhat based in nostalgia, just to grab them.

From there you evolve your stories to include new characters, designs and then introduce the new stuff to that audience. Going the other way around to appease toy contracts and Hollywood morons who insist on having creative input and are not familiar with anything other than the bottom line is a huge mistake. You end up with those would be buyers walking out with a disappointed, WTF look on their face and spending their dollars somewhere else.

After over 20 years of waiting, buying and dreaming I think that audience deserves to see that movie.

Being a member of that demographic along with all my friends, having two other brothers in that demographic along with all their friends, and having two young nephews now fans of transformers along with all their friends, I feel confident in saying that you're totally missing the mark.

The ONLY people who are going to ***** are the absolute purists who demand nothing short of a literal translation of a pre-existsing story. All those people I mentioned above are huge fans of Transformers because they were/are fun, exciting, and captivating. Larger than life. More than meets the eye.

There are tons of ways that theme can be accomplished without having to retell to an exacting degree an old story. Beast Wars proved that.

I know boatloads of people that are pumped to go see this movie, and not a single one of them is going to shy away or refuse to take their kid because Optimus might be blue or a fire truck.

 

[CFlash]

Heat.

Michael Bay had nothing to do with Heat.

 

[skorponok]

Being a member of that demographic along with all my friends, having two other brothers in that demographic along with all their friends, and having two young nephews now fans of transformers along with all their friends, I feel confident in saying that you're totally missing the mark.

The ONLY people who are going to ***** are the absolute purists who demand nothing short of a literal translation of a pre-existsing story. All those people I mentioned above are huge fans of Transformers because they were/are fun, exciting, and captivating. Larger than life. More than meets the eye.

There are tons of ways that theme can be accomplished without having to retell to an exacting degree an old story. Beast Wars proved that.

I know boatloads of people that are pumped to go see this movie, and not a single one of them is going to shy away or refuse to take their kid because Optimus might be blue or a fire truck.

HOO-HA!!! ANOTHER FAVORITE NEW POSTER!!!

 

[skorponok]

Michael Bay had nothing to do with Heat.

Obviously confused with Michael Mann

 

[Arcturus]

Being a member of that demographic along with all my friends, having two other brothers in that demographic along with all their friends, and having two young nephews now fans of transformers along with all their friends, I feel confident in saying that you're totally missing the mark.

The ONLY people who are going to ***** are the absolute purists who demand nothing short of a literal translation of a pre-existsing story. All those people I mentioned above are huge fans of Transformers because they were/are fun, exciting, and captivating. Larger than life. More than meets the eye.

There are tons of ways that theme can be accomplished without having to retell to an exacting degree an old story. Beast Wars proved that.

I know boatloads of people that are pumped to go see this movie, and not a single one of them is going to shy away or refuse to take their kid because Optimus might be blue or a fire truck.

I couldn't agree more! I can't wait for the Transformer's Movie to hit the big screen!

 

[Hunter Rider]

HOO-HA!!! ANOTHER FAVORITE NEW POSTER!!!

Where's my love

 

[In2Minds]

Do you know anything about transformers? Cause, I mean... if you were a fan, I'm pretty sure you would know why people are so hyped about cars.

did any of you see the 1986 movie god i hope they don't use the trnasformer cybersuits for humans like they did then they were rubbish

 

[CFlash]

Being a member of that demographic along with all my friends, having two other brothers in that demographic along with all their friends, and having two young nephews now fans of transformers along with all their friends, I feel confident in saying that you're totally missing the mark.

The ONLY people who are going to ***** are the absolute purists who demand nothing short of a literal translation of a pre-existsing story. All those people I mentioned above are huge fans of Transformers because they were/are fun, exciting, and captivating. Larger than life. More than meets the eye.

There are tons of ways that theme can be accomplished without having to retell to an exacting degree an old story. Beast Wars proved that.

I know boatloads of people that are pumped to go see this movie, and not a single one of them is going to shy away or refuse to take their kid because Optimus might be blue or a fire truck.

My circles just the opposite I think. None of them follow these forums... and when we hang out you should here them talk about all the iconic things in the original Transformers... "can't wait to see Soundwave and the minions or Bumblebee bla bla bla etc etc"

I look at them and I just smile. I don't have the heart to break all the changes being made to them.

P.S.
I did tell them about Camaro Bumblebee and their reaction was.... well, underwhelming. A couple of "rolling eyes" and then "eh, good luck with that." This movie will have to get glowing reviews (which I don't think a Michael Bay movie ever has) for them to drag their asses to see this movie.

Else... it's a "wait for DVD" thing.

 

[Hunter Rider]

Lol

 

[In2Minds]

AMEN!

i agree also it doesn't matter what age you are if you like something i say go ahead and enjoy im 16 and i still like G1 so what i couldnt give a damn what other people think as i enjoy transformers, hell I no a 35 year old who cant wait for this movie and even if the cinemas filled with toddlers i shall watch the movie and enjoy it. After all they wouldn't make the movie if they didn't want people to enjoy it.

 

[Arcturus]

 

[Hunter Rider]

ROFLMAO

that made my afternoon

 

[Denny67]

Being a member of that demographic along with all my friends, having two other brothers in that demographic along with all their friends, and having two young nephews now fans of transformers along with all their friends, I feel confident in saying that you're totally missing the mark.

The ONLY people who are going to ***** are the absolute purists who demand nothing short of a literal translation of a pre-existsing story. All those people I mentioned above are huge fans of Transformers because they were/are fun, exciting, and captivating. Larger than life. More than meets the eye.

There are tons of ways that theme can be accomplished without having to retell to an exacting degree an old story. Beast Wars proved that.

I know boatloads of people that are pumped to go see this movie, and not a single one of them is going to shy away or refuse to take their kid because Optimus might be blue or a fire truck.

I have hard time understand why people on message boards read a post then take the idea of an opinion and argue its viewpoint by taking said opinion and shifting it’s general idea to an extreme, in order to gain footing to base their post on.

So I will reiterate. The gist of my post so some do not have to read “too many words” this time around was:

"The first movie has to be one at least somewhat based in nostalgia."
I have gone back and read my posts again and I just can see to find where I said I or anybody needed a

"a literal translation of a pre-existsing story."

When people walk into a Transformers movie they are going to on some level want to reconnect with their childhood. It is not just about seeing a movie with transforming robots. If so they would have called it something else like “Attack of the Alterbots” or something Hollywood like that.

If things are too unfamiliar in a “Transformers movie” movie goers attentions will be focused (no matter how good the movie is) on "this is not the Transformers I remember." "bummer like really liked that robot as a kid."

Now since my friends and I are also part of the demographic and I am a parent of 3, I think my perspective is pretty good as well. Now… I am not a "hardcore" Transformers fan but I do like them. I have a couple busts and I am hyped about the movie but I am do not go seeking toys at conventions, have Transformers wallpaper on my computer or feel I have to buy everything I see Transformers. So on that note I am far for being a Purist or a freak.

I understand that vehicles have changed in the past 20 years and updates will need to be made, there are some limitations to what can be done well at this time, and of course a film maker wants designs that will look good and be picture perfect in a real world environment.

That being said, if too many liberties are taken with “classic characters” (like/in/any/other/film) it will piss people off and the people it will piss off are the people with the money, who grew up with those characters and will display their displeasure, even if it is not a conscious decision by not supporting the movie.
So if you and a few others could care less if all the changes in the world are made that is great. The majority of people who will go to see the movie will be going because it is Transformers. With that label there will be some expectations on what they will see when the movie starts. I guarantee you that the expectations for those over the age of 14 will exceed “WoW! Transforming robots!”

 

[Denny67]

LMAO that is pretty damn funny.

This is one of the key examples of things I don't mind being changed, just like the Soundwave and a few others. Nobody expects something so small to grow into a “giant robot” outside of the cartoon world.

 

[Hunter Rider]

LMAO that is pretty damn funny.

This is one of the key examples of things I don't mind being changed, just like the Soundwave and a few others. Nobody expects something so small to grow into a “giant robot” outside of the cartoon world.

My main problem with Megs the Gun was that he requires Starscream or another decepticon to shoot him,not a good thing for a leader IMO
I really hope they use the Tank and not the jet though

 

[Denny67]

My main problem with Megs the Gun was that he requires Starscream or another decepticon to shoot him,not a good thing for a leader IMO
I really hope they use the Tank and not the jet though

I would not even mind something like Galvatron as a cannon.

He would just need some treads or wheels or something to independently move.

 

[Hunter Rider]

I would not even mind something like Galvatron as a cannon.

He would just need some treads or wheels or something to independently move.

That could work no doubt