Flash/Green Lantern team-up movie?

[Guts]

Honestly, of all the ones announced, I think this is by far the least likely to happen.


2. Its a team up movie between two basically-unknown characters

I wouldn't consider The flash and Green Lantern to be unknown. I would consider the Phantom Lady and Doctor Occult to be unknown characters.

 

[Lantern Venom]

I wouldn't consider The flash and Green Lantern to be unknown. I would consider the Phantom Lady and Doctor Occult to be unknown characters.

In terms of DC's heroes, those two are #4 and #5 in terms of notoriety. With Flash coming back to live-action for the 2nd time, it's hard to imagine anyone with even the most casual knowledge of DC characters who doesn't know Flash and at least one GL.

 

[Fincher]

Green Lantern certainly isn't an unknown since he had a movie not that long ago; he's just not known in a very good way (which is worse). Flash I think is pretty widely known. Now Shazam, that guy might as well be Kite Man as far as familiarity to the GA goes. Not that an unfamiliar character can't perform at the box office.

 

[Lantern Venom]

Green Lantern certainly isn't an unknown since he had a movie not that long ago; he's just not known in a very good way (which is worse). Flash I think is pretty widely known. Now Shazam, that guy might as well be Kite Man as far as familiarity to the GA goes. Not that an unfamiliar character can't perform at the box office.

We'll have to disagree on that. Anything that raises a character's profile in terms of pop culture is a good thing, even when it doesn't turn into a blockbuster franchise. Spawn wasn't a movie that was popular with critics, either (it had worse reviews than GL), but it still gets recycled on movie channels and has a cult following 17 years after it was made.

Jonah Hex is the rare example of a comic book movie that was a "bad" or at least, non-beneficial event. It came and went with so little fanfare, that it was almost like it never happened. Man-Thing suffered a similar fate by being made as a TV movie that aired on SyFy. The worst thing that can happen to a comic book character is to come off as small and unimportant.

 

[Airwings]

why don't they trust Flash with a solo film? They give Shazam an own adventure. Does he really have more potential than The Scarled Speedster?

I hope the film will focus a little more on Flash than GL. They can even show his origin story. Have him be the actual main character (but with GL close behind).
The same goes for the bad guy(s). Let it be one or two of Flash's rouges

Hopefully, they will cast more known names than Gadot and Momoa Or at least actors that actually look like the characters

This is a a few interesting topics to discuss regarding the film.

 

[Fincher]

We'll have to disagree on that. Anything that raises a character's profile in terms of pop culture is a good thing, even when it doesn't turn into a blockbuster franchise. Spawn wasn't a movie that was popular with critics, either (it had worse reviews than GL), but it still gets recycled on movie channels and has a cult following 17 years after it was made.

In the long term, that may well be true. When the movie is still fresh in people's minds, when it's likely that people will think this is the same Green Lantern as Ryan Reynolds (unless they go the John Stewart route), I'd say it's more of a disadvantage. The GA doesn't need to recognize a character to see their movie, as long as the movie looks good.

"why don't they trust Flash with a solo film? They give Shazam an own adventure. Does he really have more potential than The Scarled Speedster?"

My best guess is that it's not the same Flash as in the TV show, and they're worried that people might skip the movie and watch the show instead. As for why they have a show, it was likely in development before Avengers changed the game.

 

[Pickleweasel]

But why don't they trust Flash with a solo film? They give Shazam an own adventure. Does he really have more potential than The Scarled Speedster?

They have been put together before. This is not new at all. Maybe when they were coming up with movies throwing stories out there a Flash / GL pitch was great while solo Flash pitches were meh.

 

[Fincher]

That could be true, too. Or maybe they're trying to capitalize on shared universe fever (although the rumor didn't mention Wonder Woman having a crossover).

 

[DrCosmic]

In the long term, that may well be true. When the movie is still fresh in people's minds, when it's likely that people will think this is the same Green Lantern as Ryan Reynolds (unless they go the John Stewart route), I'd say it's more of a disadvantage. The GA doesn't need to recognize a character to see their movie, as long as the movie looks good.

But associating a character/name with a bad movie will lose some audience, who either won't check to see if it's good or their negative association overrules whatever cool new stuff you throw. ("The last one looked cool in the trailer too...")

"why don't they trust Flash with a solo film? They give Shazam an own adventure. Does he really have more potential than The Scarled Speedster?"

I think it's cuz Flash is so very generic. He is the most simple superhero in terms of powers, costume, backstory, personality and such. Green Lantern forces the movie to be anything but standard superhero fare. But yeah, having a concurrent TV show doesn't help him seem any more original either.

 

[Lantern Venom]

But associating a character/name with a bad movie will lose some audience, who either won't check to see if it's good or their negative association overrules whatever cool new stuff you throw. ("The last one looked cool in the trailer too...")

I think it's cuz Flash is so very generic. He is the most simple superhero in terms of powers, costume, backstory, personality and such. Green Lantern forces the movie to be anything but standard superhero fare. But yeah, having a concurrent TV show doesn't help him seem any more original either.

Really? You think Barry's story of molecular transformation is easier to tell than well-trained vigilante types like Batman and Punisher?

 

[DrCosmic]

Simple may not be the right word... generic may be better.

 

[CaptainWagner]

I wouldn't consider The flash and Green Lantern to be unknown. I would consider the Phantom Lady and Doctor Occult to be unknown characters.

-Yeah, I'd say the Flash is the best known hero who has never had a live-action movie.

 

[Rorschach2012]

That title belongs to wonder woman

 

[CaptainWagner]

That title belongs to wonder woman

Oops, forgot her. Honestly, I'd say they're on equal ground, recognition wise.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

I have no idea how audiences will receive this but anything has to have a better reception than a Green Lantern reboot, solo movie.

 

[The Overlord]

Is the idea to use the TV show to introduce the Flash as a character to the general audience? Would this movie be in continuity with the TV show? Or would they introduce another version of the Flash for this movie? Does Flash get a proper introduction in this team up setting?

 

[Rowsdower!]

I'm assuming the movie will have nothing to do with the show. That could mean that they'll use Wally West instead of Barry Allen in the movie so not to confuse people... but more than likely, they have the mindset that while CW shows have their fans, they represent a very small percentage of the GA.

I think they should just go with a Flash solo movie though. I honestly think they should give up on GL for a while until everyone forgets about the Ryan Reynolds movie. I just watched the Lego Movie and it was pretty obvious they were poking fun at the GL movie with the way Hal was portrayed. GL is still a joke to a lot of people, IMO.

 

[Lantern Venom]

Simple may not be the right word... generic may be better.

He's only generic in terms of the misperception that he just runs fast. I would assume the movie would delve into abilities like vibrating through traps or walls and this being connected to the Speed Force.

That title belongs to wonder woman

Oops, forgot her. Honestly, I'd say they're on equal ground, recognition wise.

Wonder Woman is the avatar of the comic book heroine. While Flash is in DC's Big 5, she's referred to as part of the DC "trinity" for a reason.

Is the idea to use the TV show to introduce the Flash as a character to the general audience? Would this movie be in continuity with the TV show? Or would they introduce another version of the Flash for this movie? Does Flash get a proper introduction in this team up setting?

I doubt there will be much of the audience who will be completely ignorant of the Flash. The new show will be the 2nd time Barry's story is told in live-action, not to mention the recent DCAU movies that are out. A simple youtube season will yield plenty of Barry Allen/Flash videos. I'm sure a lot of them don't know Wally or Jay, so their origins would have to be told in depth if the Dynasty is introduces.

 

[DrCosmic]

He's only generic in terms of the misperception that he just runs fast. I would assume the movie would delve into abilities like vibrating through traps or walls and this being connected to the Speed Force.

Nah it's more than that. It's not just his most important and commonly used power, which is just running fast, which even with it's applications and cosmic explanation is still relatively straightforward and common. Beyond that his costume (solid race car red), his backstory (simple random science accident), his personality (nice smart guy slightly geeky), as I said, all very run of the mill stuff. Obviously you can do unique things with a generic character, but one of the most unique things you can do is team him up with another superhero in a buddy superhero movie.

And re-reading what you wrote ealier... I've never heard Barry's story described as a story about molecular transformation. He gets hit with lightning and chemicals, and he runs fast. That's a simple story to tell. You don't have to explain the science, you simply say there's an explanation with some buzzwords. For well trained types, you have to explain a vigilante's physical, mental and financial capabilities. So it actually is simpler to tell a story of molecular transformation if for no other reason than you never have to say molecular transformation. The only way it compares would be if you try to explain everything about the Speed Force up front, which, imho, would be bad storytelling. The Flash TV series is handling it well by just hinting at it. And even if you do make a simple character complicated to make the more interesting, he still has a generic personality, powerset and such. All they've done is complicate his backstory, which is important for his solo comics, sure, but what if he didn't need to be solo? He could be simple and great and still be in an interesting story if he has someone to play off of. I think that's a better option.

 

[The Overlord]

He's only generic in terms of the misperception that he just runs fast. I would assume the movie would delve into abilities like vibrating through traps or walls and this being connected to the Speed Force.





Wonder Woman is the avatar of the comic book heroine. While Flash is in DC's Big 5, she's referred to as part of the DC "trinity" for a reason.



I doubt there will be much of the audience who will be completely ignorant of the Flash. The new show will be the 2nd time Barry's story is told in live-action, not to mention the recent DCAU movies that are out. A simple youtube season will yield plenty of Barry Allen/Flash videos. I'm sure a lot of them don't know Wally or Jay, so their origins would have to be told in depth if the Dynasty is introduces.

The first time was an obscure TV show from over 20 years ago that lasted 1 season, it is naive to think the general audience is going to know a lot about the Flash based on that, plus the Justice League cartoon ended back in 2006 and the direct DVD movies are not hugely popular.

I think overestimating how much the general audience knows about a character, is part of the reason Green Lantern sunk.

I'm not sure how many people outside of comic book fans would know much about the Flash outside of

That's why I don't like starting Flash off by pairing him up with GL, instead of getting his own movie, with his own character arc. Its hard to make him compelling when you have not given him the chance to have his own character arc, before forcing to share the spotlight with another character.

 

[Lantern Venom]

The first time was an obscure TV show from over 20 years ago that lasted 1 season, it is naive to think the general audience is going to know a lot about the Flash based on that, plus the Justice League cartoon ended back in 2006 and the direct DVD movies are not hugely popular.
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The only people who won't have basic knowledge about Flash are the ones who are there against their will, i.e. reluctant boyfriends/girlfriends or a few parents. Someone who has zero knowledge of the comics and Superfriends and Justice League and the multiple DCAU movies and the Flash 1990 show and the Flash 2014 show.....that would have to be someone who really doesn't like super heroes/comics and intentionally avoids them. That's not going to be a large percentage of this type of movie's audience.

 

[CaptainWagner]

-Yeah, I really don't think they need to worry about people recognizing Flash. I know, at least at my High School, he was in the top teir of recognized heroes.

 

[Rorschach2012]

yeah and after the show comes out, everyone will know who he is

 

[Lantern Venom]

-Yeah, I really don't think they need to worry about people recognizing Flash. I know, at least at my High School, he was in the top teir of recognized heroes.

yeah and after the show comes out, everyone will know who he is

Going back as far as JSA, a Flash and a GL are always part of the core group when it comes to DC forming their marquee hero team. Flash was the focal point of the New 52 relaunch and it's subsequent DCAU movie. Barry has now been on Arrow and will have his own series soon. I just can't imagine anyone attracted to the Flash/GL movie needing to be spoon-fed their stories with all of the incarnations those two have had over the decades.

 

[batdude]

Oh the Flash is well known. the main worry might be the General audience either asking for Wally West Because of the JLA cartoon or if the show is good enough Grant Gustin GL? don't know if the general audience really likes Ryan Reynolds or not, if not this could be John Stewart.