HBO's True Detective

[runawayboulder]

I thought the falling out was over Cohle sleeping with Hart's wife...

 

[Bruce Malone]

My guess:

Marty's daughter is kidnapped and killed by the Yellow King. This leads to the apparent falling out between Marty and Rust. It also ends Marty's marriage.

Rust makes it his mission to do whatever he has to to hunt down the Yellow King and kill the bastard even if it means destroying his own body to do it. Hence the title True Detective. Rust is so willing to complete his task that he will sacrifice his own body and years of his life to get his man.

This is where I think its going.

The thing is if his daughter was killed by the serial killer whoever it was, you'd think that fact would have been brought up by the 2012 police detectives at some point?

You'd think Marty would have some kind of emotional connection if the killer was still out there, let alone if it could be Rust? and the new detectives would have for sure drilled that point in to marty?

It seems like they are setting up the daughter as a victim but it seems like that's not common knowledge in 2012?

 

[Roose Bolton]

I kinda think that the daughter might try something with Rust, which causes the break up.

 

[squeekness]

I thought the falling out was over Cohle sleeping with Hart's wife...

We don't know that that ever happened, they certainly have never showed it. There was some speculation on here amongst Hypsters about it, but nothing was actually said or shown. Knowing Rust's sense of morality, I highly doubt he would do something like that.

 

[Maximus One]

But but.... He mowed his lawn...

 

[Zeus]

Agreed, the falling out has to do with Rust swinging by to mow that patchy lawn again. He just never listens.

 

[James]

We don't know that that ever happened, they certainly have never showed it. There was some speculation on here amongst Hypsters about it, but nothing was actually said or shown. Knowing Rust's sense of morality, I highly doubt he would do something like that.

I agree (and have said as much previously). For all Rust's darkness, he's got a heart of gold. I don't see him ever sleeping with Marty's wife, and he's certainly not the killer.

 

[Zeus]

when they introduced us to that lawn-mower at the school in 1995 and then Rust had to leave right away cause of marty that was very fishy. He may be the yellow king

 

[James]

Oh, he's got secrets up the wazoo, but I seriously doubt he's a villain. For all the circumstantial evidence that Rust might be the killer, the Yellow King or both, there appears (to me at least) to be far more solid evidence that he isn't.

 

[Bruce Malone]

The truth is I feel like this show in the last 4 episodes may be turning into a different show from the 1st 4.

The first 4 episodes were more of a character study of the two main detectives and their differing philosophies. It's seems now they've jumped right into the murder-mystery element, I'm hoping they continue on with the right balance of the two.

I think this show needs to be much more than just a who-dunnit in the end. Which is why i think the yellow-king maybe a red herring.

 

[Brother Jack]

My guess:

Marty's daughter is kidnapped and killed by the Yellow King. This leads to the apparent falling out between Marty and Rust. It also ends Marty's marriage.

Rust makes it his mission to do whatever he has to to hunt down the Yellow King and kill the bastard even if it means destroying his own body to do it. Hence the title True Detective. Rust is so willing to complete his task that he will sacrifice his own body and years of his life to get his man.

This is where I think its going.

I've been trying to parse out how much of Rust's persona in 2012 could be an act and how much is legitimate. It might be a bit of both. He's gone so far into trying to catch the Yellow King that he's gone off the deep end a bit, but he's using that to his advantage as a detective.

I've thought for a while now that Rust does not truly and wholeheartedly believe the nihilistic mumbo jumbo that he's been spouting to the interrogating cops. If he did he wouldn't be a lawman in the first place; there'd be no reason to exact justice or what have you if you think existence is all meaningless. That's what I loved about Ladoux. That was a guy who was fully into the dark side and nihilism without any illusions about it whereas Rust is somewhat of a hypocrite.

 

[runawayboulder]

We don't know that that ever happened, they certainly have never showed it. There was some speculation on here amongst Hypsters about it, but nothing was actually said or shown. Knowing Rust's sense of morality, I highly doubt he would do something like that.

Judging by the previews it looks like it is shown next week. She's at his apartment and is being interviewed in the present like Marty and Rust were.

 

[CapedCrusader14]

This here is a fantastic read. Sorry if it has been shared before.

http://io9.com/the-one-literary-reference-you-must-know-to-appreciate-1523076497

Fantastic article that everyone should take a read of.

There's so many existential themes and references to weird fiction, and I love it. Being a H.P. Lovecraft fan, on reflection, there's a lot of usage of his narrative elements in the show which to me seems summed up with the ending line of the article:

Cohle has seen the monster. I suspect we will, too.

Which makes sense for his even furthered nihilistic and cynical outlook on life that has completely taken over his personality, much like the protagonists in Lovecraft fiction who see the unspeakable horrors in his stories, and find themselves overloaded with such truthful horror. Rust is just like them. There was a feeling of maybe Rust doesn't completely believe in all his nihilistic existentialism during 1995-2002, but the Rust of the present day looks absorbed in it almost completely. He's seen the monster that he spoke about in a previous episode:

It was all the same dream, a dream you had inside a locked room, a dream about being a person. And like a lot of dreams . . . there's a monster at the end of it.

God damn it I adore this show, it's neck and neck with my love for Breaking Bad right now.

 

[Bruce Malone]

I've been trying to parse out how much of Rust's persona in 2012 could be an act and how much is legitimate. It might be a bit of both. He's gone so far into trying to catch the Yellow King that he's gone off the deep end a bit, but he's using that to his advantage as a detective.

I've thought for a while now that Rust does not truly and wholeheartedly believe the nihilistic mumbo jumbo that he's been spouting to the interrogating cops. If he did he wouldn't be a lawman in the first place; there'd be no reason to exact justice or what have you if you think existence is all meaningless. That's what I loved about Ladoux. That was a guy who was fully into the dark side and nihilism without any illusions about it whereas Rust is somewhat of a hypocrite.

Rust obviously had a break down after he was already a cop. His loss of his daughter obviously brought him down. I don't think his philosophy is an act at least his '95 circa era philosophy he brings up to Marty, but you're right in that Rust does have some hypocrisy.

 

[Brother Jack]

Rust obviously had a break down after he was already a cop. His loss of his daughter obviously brought him down. I don't think his philosophy is an act at least his '95 circa era philosophy he brings up to Marty, but you're right in that Rust does have some hypocrisy.

I don't think he's being completely dishonest when he's having those monologues, but I think he's using it as a defense mechanism to mask the emotion he feels. He appears on the surface as detached and aloof but he actually feels it all too well. The tragedy of his past and the horror he sees in murder cases. So he uses cynical pontificating to cope with it.

 

[CapedCrusader14]

Made some avvys if anyone wants one.

Thank you for the GIF's, using this one now t:

 

[killface]

I don't know if the show will have a supernatural bent but It wouldn't turn me off if they went that route, squeekness' theory is a good way to pull it off i think.

I see Rust as a failed optimist. With all his bleak nihilistic poetry, he still chooses to do good, even with the knowledge that what he does won't change the sorry nature of human existence.

Can you imagine stumbling upon this by a dimly lit campfire in backwoods LA?

I can. And I bet that my brain will immediately turn into mush.

 

[squeekness]

But but.... He mowed his lawn...

LOL, that was Rust making a point -- "this is what you have to lose."

 

[squeekness]

Judging by the previews it looks like it is shown next week. She's at his apartment and is being interviewed in the present like Marty and Rust were.

True, but that doesn't absolute mean there was an affair, just that she might have some insight on Rust because of knowing her husband's partner for so long.

 

[runawayboulder]

We shall see.

 

[Bruce Malone]

After seeing this I don't think it's a question at least one his daughters has ties to the killer or "yellow king".

 

[The Shape]

After seeing this I don't think it's a question at least one his daughters has ties to the killer or "yellow king".

I think there's a chance Marty's father-in-law might be in on the conspiracy or one of the killers, if there are more than one. It would make sense that the girls would be exposed to images like that at their grandfather's house, since it's not like we've ever seen Marty bring his work home with him. Something rubbed me the wrong way about the gramps.

 

[Bruce Malone]

The detective's curse, It's always right under your nose.

 

[Bruce Banner]

I think there's a chance Marty's father-in-law might be in on the conspiracy or one of the killers, if there are more than one. It would make sense that the girls would be exposed to images like that at their grandfather's house, since it's not like we've ever seen Marty bring his work home with him. Something rubbed me the wrong way about the gramps.

I was just about to post that.

Considering the granddad's house, by early 90's Louisiana standards he'd be considered one of the rich men Lang spoke of.

I don't think Marty is involved as a killer at all. He's got his head too far up his own *** with selfish problems and hypocrisy to be the type. However, if I was to put my own cynicism aside and think he is helping Rust in the off the books investigation. Marty is now running a security firm or private investigation right? Could he be helping fund Rust's operation?

My issue with Marty is him being a man sorta lacking in conviction. If he is helping Cohle with this. What could keep a man like Marty motivated?

 

[Golgo-13]

I kinda think that the daughter might try something with Rust, which causes the break up.

I'm thinking that too.