Here’s something I don’t get?

[WolverineHunt01]

Why do people bash the X-Men movies for not being accurate to the comics but praise the Nolan Dark Knight Trilogy despite them being even more inaccurate to their source material?

 

[Venom 1988]

Is this your thing?

 

[The Joker]

The main reason people bash the X-Men movies is not for inaccuracy, they bash them for poor writing like wasting characters. Look at the original three movies for example. They didn't do anything of value with key X-Men characters like Cyclops, Rogue, Mystique, Storm etc. The only characters that have been given any real love out of what seven movies now is Wolverine, Xavier, and Magneto.

Twice they've fumbled the Phoenix storyline.

 

[WolverineHunt01]

The main reason people bash the X-Men movies is not for inaccuracy, they bash them for poor writing like wasting characters. Look at the original three movies for example. They didn't do anything of value with key X-Men characters like Cyclops, Rogue, Mystique, Storm etc. The only characters that have been given any real love out of what seven movies now is Wolverine, Xavier, and Magneto.

Twice they've fumbled the Phoenix storyline.

Still not as bad as the white washing of characters such as Bane and Ra’s Al Ghul. Also storm got much bigger roles as the first three went on she was pretty much one of the leads of the third movie.

 

[The Joker]

Still not as bad as the white washing of characters such as Bane and Ra’s Al Ghul. Also storm got much bigger roles as the first three went on she was pretty much one of the leads of the third movie.

That's your opinion. I would never under any circumstances see Ra's and Bane being more white washed than any of those aforementioned X-Men characters. Look at Cyclops. He's supposed to be a leader isn't he. He was nothing but an after thought in those movies. You can put on your fanboy goggles and nit pick at Ra's and Bane's comic book deviations but they were more impactful and prominent in their own movies. They had a strong presence and actually did things that impacted the story significantly. Can't say the same for those X-Men characters.

I don't think anyone other than hardcore minority fanboys are very hung up on comic book accuracy. As long as the movies utilize their characters well, tell a good story, give good performances etc. Look at the Joker now. Pre 2008 there was an uproar at the notion of Joker not being perma white. Now its perfectly acceptable.

 

[WolverineHunt01]

That's your opinion. I would never under any circumstances see Ra's and Bane being more white washed than any of those aforementioned X-Men characters. Look at Cyclops. He's supposed to be a leader isn't he. He was nothing but an after thought in those movies. You can put on your fanboy goggles and nit pick at Ra's and Bane's comic book deviations but they were more impactful and prominent in their own movies. They had a strong presence and actually did things that impacted the story significantly. Can't say the same for those X-Men characters.

Fair enough I guess.

 

[MilkmanDan]

Yeah, I haven't heard that much talk about people complaining about lack of faithfulness to source material with either franchise. And I don't personally mind changes as long as an adaptation tells a good story and is faithful to the heart of the original.

The main problem with X-Men films wasn't ,say, black leather. It was that they didn't use their ensemble cast particularly well. The idea of found family, which I think is as important to X-Men as the message of tolerance, was there. However it was mostly seen through only a few relationships like Logan and Rogue or Logan and Xavier. You could watch all of these movies and have no idea if Storm, for example, even likes her fellow X-Men.

As for changes that I dislike, let's look at Cyclops. It would be one thing to say "Cyclops should be the leader because that's what he is in the comics" because you just want faithfulness to the source material. But I think Cyclops should be a leader because that's a core aspect of his character. Scott is someone who wakes up every morning hoping this won't be the day someone dies because he didn't so his job well enough. Cyclops as a character is very much about the burden of leadership. And to some degree I dislike his backstory in the films as well. He doesn't need aliens abducting his parents or Mr Sinister in his origin story. But showing him as a normal, well-adjusted if snarky teenager does miss a key aspect of his characterization. He should be a traumatized, lonely kid when he joins the school. If he's not that and he's not a stressed out, perfectionist leader, what's exactly makes him the character we know from the comics?

 

[Herofan]

With adapting over 30 years of comics I think most people other than purists are willing to give both sets of movies a pass on having to be super-strictly close to the source material, also willing to admit that what worked well in 1980 or even 1991 won't necessarily work in 2000 or 2005 or in comics work so well in films.

There is understandable different reaction in that with the Nolan films they were being compared to the Burton/Schumacher films which, particularly the Schumacher films, were really far from the source (also I guess kind of to TAS which was loved as very close but not so much), X-Men films didn't really have that other comic adaptation to be compared against (other than the later MCU which some declared was superhero team done right). And while there were complaints for all the films the complaints got a lot stronger and more widespread for not just being diffeerent from but wasting the Dark Phoenix Saga and the series as it went on seeming to continually again and again and again be just, too much just, about Wolverine, Xavier, Magneto (fine, understandable for first 2 or 3 movies, not 6 or 7 or 8) and Mystique.

 

[Herofan]

I think most fans don't expect reverential attitude to source but they do appreciate and enjoy when it seems the filmmakers do have affection for the source, do at least pay some homages and seem in line with the general themes, spirit of the original, which also tends to just having more motivation to do a better job/film version overall, with that I think Nolan did have that for Batman and Singer for Wolverine, Magneto, Xavier but probably not really for Cyclops.

 

[Babillygunn]

Is there a reason why you have created numerous threads about the same thing?