How will avengers affect the threat scale of the other MCU movies?

[Bruce Malone]

So I was thinking with all that went down in the avengers, how will the stakes now faced by iron man and thor and captain america in their own films compare and not seem less consequential?

Not to mention the fact that they all fight as one team now would that not lead the audience to question why isn't iron man helping cap when he's now facing his big bad foe? etc.

This was something that was unprecedented in past seperate universe superhero films where the hero is always alone in their world in being able to defeat the supervillains but the avengers has certainly changed the dynamics of this.

 

[El Payaso]

I'd say everything Marvel will tend to have more of everything.

 

[cherokeesam]

The MCU will be no different than comic-book Marvel regarding the dynamic of Avengers team vs. their solo component parts.

The MCU Avengers are far less organized than their CB counterparts, anyway, and the movie finishes by indicating that they'll only get back together when they need to.

As far as threat levels: a lot of people still delude themselves that the Hollywood formula *requires* you to have "rising action," but that's just Bayformer tripe. Even if the threat level in a solo film is considerably smaller than Norse gods and alien invaders, the stakes are just as high on a personal level, and that's what fans will go see.

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

The MCU will be no different than comic-book Marvel regarding the dynamic of Avengers team vs. their solo component parts.

The MCU Avengers are far less organized than their CB counterparts, anyway, and the movie finishes by indicating that they'll only get back together when they need to.

As far as threat levels: a lot of people still delude themselves that the Hollywood formula *requires* you to have "rising action," but that's just Bayformer tripe. Even if the threat level in a solo film is considerably smaller than Norse gods and alien invaders, the stakes are just as high on a personal level, and that's what fans will go see.

^this.
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[DigificWriter]

How will Avengers affect the threat scale of the other MCU movies? It won't.

cherokeesam already touched on this, but there's this fallacy out there that each subsequent film in a given franchise has to somehow 'top' its predecessor(s) in terms of the amount of challenge that a villain (or villains) provides to the hero(es) they face.

Not only does this kind of thinking put a serious damper on creativity and storytelling, it is also unsustainable and sets a 'bar' that can ultimately never be reached or surpassed.

 

[MarvelKnight]

The MCU will be no different than comic-book Marvel regarding the dynamic of Avengers team vs. their solo component parts.

The MCU Avengers are far less organized than their CB counterparts, anyway, and the movie finishes by indicating that they'll only get back together when they need to.

As far as threat levels: a lot of people still delude themselves that the Hollywood formula *requires* you to have "rising action," but that's just Bayformer tripe. Even if the threat level in a solo film is considerably smaller than Norse gods and alien invaders, the stakes are just as high on a personal level, and that's what fans will go see.

Well said.

 

[psylockolussus]

The MCU will be no different than comic-book Marvel regarding the dynamic of Avengers team vs. their solo component parts.

The MCU Avengers are far less organized than their CB counterparts, anyway, and the movie finishes by indicating that they'll only get back together when they need to.

As far as threat levels: a lot of people still delude themselves that the Hollywood formula *requires* you to have "rising action," but that's just Bayformer tripe. Even if the threat level in a solo film is considerably smaller than Norse gods and alien invaders, the stakes are just as high on a personal level, and that's what fans will go see.

I agree! t:

 

[Bruce Malone]

I guess it's not so much in having to top the last films but my point is mainly about the fact that they are not the only superheroes in their world now.

If captain america finds himself really struggling against his enemy and the stakes are high wouldn't it seem bizarre for him not to call in for some help from the guys he fought with so well just a little while ago?

I know this is never really an issue in the comics but in the film world i feel these are questions the audience will ask.

 

[metaphysician]

I think, if there's any influence, it will be on the relative proportion of action scenes. However big the stakes, audiences will expect something grander than, say, the final fight in Iron Man 2.

 

[cherokeesam]

I guess it's not so much in having to top the last films but my point is mainly about the fact that they are not the only superheroes in their world now.

If captain america finds himself really struggling against his enemy and the stakes are high wouldn't it seem bizarre for him not to call in for some help from the guys he fought with so well just a little while ago?

I know this is never really an issue in the comics but in the film world i feel these are questions the audience will ask.

If Cap is fighting, say, Baron Zemo over in Berlin and he gets in over his head, it's not like he can just get on his Droid to ring up Tony who happens to have some free time over in Malibu and would it be terribly presumptuous to ask him to fly over here to Germany for a sec.....?

Plus, even beyond the situational restrictions that writers can *easily* add to cut the hero off from outside help, there's the simple matter of ego. Not saying that all heroes are egotists, but there's the issue of pride. Is Cap *really* willing to admit he needs Tony Stark's help on something? Or vice versa?

I don't think there's gonna be a whole lotta people in the GA asking "omg, where's So-and-So?!? Why isn't he helping....?!?!" I asked the same question about why War Machine was conspicuously absent from the Avengers movie, when his big guns could definitely coulda come in handy, but I'm one of the *very* few who asked that question.

Most viewers understand the simple logic that a Captain America movie is for Captain America, and an Iron Man movie is for Iron Man; and will not be wondering why they don't cameo in each other's movies to steal their thunder. (Insert Thor joke here.)

 

[Kriss_Kringle]

Well,to be honest the Chitauri weren't all that menacing to begin with,so I wouldn't say the threat scale will be affected in any way.What will be affected is the action,because it's glorious in The Avengers.I was waiting for that type of stuff for years after most of their movies seemed a bit toned down in that department.It's like they were afraid to go full throttle with it or maybe they were saving the best for now.Anyway,I doubt we'll have this sort of awesomeness in the near future because this was a team effort.Everything will likely get back to being quieter in Iron Man 3,Captain America 2 and Thor 2 and that's not necessarily a good thing in my opinion.

 

[Silvermoth]

I don't think it'll be an issue. It's more important to show how the characters change and how the villians affect them on a personal level rather than just reaching the next level of epicness.

Take the final battle in Kill Bill volume 1. Way more iconic than the final battle in Pirates of the Carribean 3. And not because it's louder or has more action but because it has energy and you're emotionally invested in the characters.

 

[Daybreak_st]

I guess it's not so much in having to top the last films but my point is mainly about the fact that they are not the only superheroes in their world now.

If captain america finds himself really struggling against his enemy and the stakes are high wouldn't it seem bizarre for him not to call in for some help from the guys he fought with so well just a little while ago?

I know this is never really an issue in the comics but in the film world i feel these are questions the audience will ask.

I don't think it's much of an issue as each character is a loner at heart. Marvel has stated that the only one who will actively be working with Shield is Captain America (and I imagine Hawkeye and Black Widow) just like in the comic. They have covert missions etc. Banner will go back to doing his thing and Thor is back in asgard handling cosmic stuff. It's been said that Iron Man 3 will return Stark to his roots, where he has to use his intellect to get him out of harm's way. Marvel has clear plan. Shield was carrying on missions while Iron Man 2 was going on and afterwards and didn't call Stark until now. It won't be hard to justify in films.