Hulk and Dr. Manhattan

[Antonello Blueberry]

After watching the Incredible Hulk movie, my opinion that Doctor Manhattan being a CGI character is a stupid idea only gained strength.
The CGI puppets still look fake, no matter how advanced the motion and performance capture is at the moment. Osterman will look out of place, like Hulk, a videogame character in a real world.
Why not simply use a real tall and athletic actor (and there are a few good ones too) and then simply add the blue glow with CGI? It would have been easier, cheaper (in costs) and probably better looking.

 

[Octoberist]

i do have to say, that we must wait. I think Synder is better at handling CGI anyway.

 

[shapeshifter]

no one wants to walk around nude and blue, except Rebeca Romijn.
that is one major hurdle. another is the issue with his size changes and other powers.
its to bad though. I'm really not a fan of CG. it does look like a video game in real life.
it all reminds me of roger rabbit. its that out of place, and no matter how good an actor you are it still looks awkward acting with something that is not really there

 

[The Battousai]

If they can manage to integrate it as well as in films like the original Jurassic Park, the LOTR movies, or King Kong, then I'll be happy.

 

[Antonello Blueberry]

no one wants to walk around nude and blue, except Rebeca Romijn.
that is one major hurdle. another is the issue with his size changes and other powers.

Size change could be easily made with the old and reliable green screen. The same goes for the multiplying Manhattan that can be made with green screen and motion control cameras. And really, actors are used to perform naked, even on stage.
If desperate, they could have cast Peter North.

 

[shapeshifter]

Size change could be easily made with the old and reliable green screen. The same goes for the multiplying Manhattan that can be made with green screen and motion control cameras. And really, actors are used to perform naked, even on stage.
If desperate, they could have cast Peter North.

to bad its a moot point by now anyway.

 

[CaptainGenerica]

Osterman will look out of place, like Hulk, a videogame character in a real world.

I see your point, but looking "in place" isn't exactly what we want for the Doc either, is it?

It would have been...better looking.

Personally, I think it would've looked silly. To me anyway, Manhattan's not just a blue human, he's a former human elevated to the status of an interdimensional entity. A human actor with stubble, pores, wrinkles, and normal features like that would make him feel too mundane and cluttered, IMO. Kind of an abstract argument I know, but that's my two cents. I know such things could be smoothed out so to speak with CGI after the fact, but that's just one step short of motion capture (which is what we have, and what I'm fine with).

Basically I agree with you that CGI wouldn't look "real", but to me that doesn't mean that it wouldn't look "right". I'm for it.

 

[Agentsands77]

It's true that Dr. Manhattan has to look otherworldly in a way that a human being covered with blue paint couldn't accurately do, but the CGI definitely has to be damn good. So good it's "best CGI ever" good. Otherwise it'll just feel wrong.

 

[Nepenthes]

I assumed they would still use motion capture and the CGI is just layered effects. Am alone here? If so that's hardly similar to the Hulk whose actions cannot be captured so accurately by any actor.

Manhattan has so many cool possibilities it would be a shame to not use CGI. I think we'll see him doing more crazy stuff than he does in the comics.

 

[CaptainGenerica]

I assumed they would still use motion capture and the CGI is just layered effects. Am alone here? If so that's hardly similar to the Hulk whose actions cannot be captured so accurately by any actor.

I'm pretty sure that's what will be done. I'm expecting something like Davy Jones from Pirates 2 and 3. In terms of both technique (mo-cap suit + layered CGI) and quality (godlike). When I first saw Davy, I thought it was an amazing costume with some CGI touchups. Then I learned it was amazing CGI through-and-through.

 

[Rust]

Yep, exactly what I thought, but Davy Jones is all CGI.

Anyways, you cant really compare the HULK and the doc, because as said, the HULK is a real organic character and the doc is on a whole different level. I guess he could be compared to a ghost or an apparition. Something "out of place" or otherworldly.
The way the Silver Surfer looked when he lost his board would suffice for me.
I think he'll be easier to swollow as a CGI-character given his nature.

 

[Crowforge]

CG is an art. You wouldn't judge all comics based on what you saw in one would you?

 

[Nepenthes]

Davey Jones is by far the most convincing CGI character ever. Am I wrong here? I was looking for imperfections, something to separate him but by god it just looked absolutely real, like he was there on the set the whole time. To me anyway. I didn't get into those movies much so maybe I missed absorbing the whole thing.

Anyway Davey Jones will be an antique by the time they get to work on Manhattan. I'm SO not worried about this. I know the wrinkles on his wanger will make women salivate and the glow whanging off the dome of his perfect knob will be awesome to behold.

 

[Crowforge]

I remember the uproar and back slapping on the cg board when Davey Jones hit, but first people were complaining about how the mask made room for his nose and thinking they should have gone full cg to fix it. That's how real it looked, cg guys though it was real.

 

[Agentsands77]

Davy Jones looked incredibly real. Fantastic effects work.

 

[Antonello Blueberry]

Yep, exactly what I thought, but Davy Jones is all CGI.

Anyways, you cant really compare the HULK and the doc, because as said, the HULK is a real organic character and the doc is on a whole different level. I guess he could be compared to a ghost or an apparition. Something "out of place" or otherworldly.
The way the Silver Surfer looked when he lost his board would suffice for me.

So you'd prefer a man in a make-up suit...

 

[Rust]

So you'd prefer a man in a make-up suit...

That's not cgi? It certainly looks like it.

 

[Lobster Charlie]

Dr. Manhattan will make or break this film.

 

[Dr.Dude]

Manhattan is a tricky character to do but in certain ways, I'd say he's actually much easier to pull off than The Hulk or other characters. While The Hulk's scale makes him an impossible character to pull off any way other than CGI, his appearance in any movie is complicated by the fact that he's supposed to fit in and look like a real, live creature.

Osterman, on the other hand, is supposed to stand out. He's supposed to look out of place. One just has to re-read Hollis Mason's description of him in the book to see this--Manhattan should, by all means, seem unreal.

Not that there shouldn't still be some excellent CGI work in this movie.

 

[The Denialist]

Dr. Manhattan will make or break this film.

For me, the way the ending of the movie is handled is the bigger issue. Of course, I don't want Manhattan to look like utter crap, but I'd rather have the fate of Rorschach and the ending of the film remaining faithful to the book. That's what will ultimately make or break the film for me.