I Want Spidey To Be A Hero!!!!

[Robin91939]

I can finally sympathize with many of the other posters on this board.

They've complained about it all from the lack of "wise-cracks" from Spider-man all the way to the organic webbing.

They've complained about Octavious' redemption and the Green Goblin's costume.

All of this, I have chalked up to, simply, not being able to please everyone. But then we got this new trailer. An awesome trailer- really awesome, just like SPIDER-MAN and SPIDER-MAN 2 are awesome movies. However, I have a gripe, no it's not that the CGI is unpolished (this is a 300 million dollar movie, the CGI will be great) or that Venom didn't appear (although I did expect to see him).

My complaint is one that I've heard from other posters on this board- like Doc Ock. The complaint is- WHY THE HELL CAN'T A HERO BE A HERO JUST TO BE A HERO?

Why does (like in movie 1&2) the "woman he loves" have to be in trouble? Or why does the man he's hunting down have to be the murderer of his parent(s)?

Why could Flint Marko (Sandman) just be a menace to the society that had to be stopped? A menace so powerfull that the police and athorities couldn't bring him down and Spider-man steps in to save the day. Why can't he just save the day because it is the right thing to do?

Having Spider-man only really seem to get pissed off, when his girl friend is in danger or if the man he is chasing is the one that killed his uncle, really makes him seem selfish in my eyes. Yeah, there have been the burning building sequences and some other "random" crimes- but why does every "super-villain" need to make things any more personal than: "This is New York, this is Spider-man's city, and they are not going to get away with hurting anyone in his city".

Spider-man should be a selfless hero, not perfect, but not greedy. Have a villain that doesn't have to steal MJ to get to him, or that doesn't have to kill Gwen or Uncle Ben. Just have Spider-man want to stop a threat. He has the gift of being Spider-man- show him living with the curse of having to selflessly help everyone...add some wisecracks, and show him enjoy it.

I want a hero in SPIDER-MAN 3.

-R

 

[Dark Prophet]

Because a villain with no motive is boring and two dimensional and cannot carry an entire film. The personal connection with the main character is there to make things more interesting and it turns out that way too. You can get away with a 'menace to society' villain in the comics but there's no way one could carry an entire movie... it would just make the film seem ultimately senseless in the long run. The fight scenes have more worth when the main character has a personal interest vested in the battle as well.

I don't understand why you would want to make the movie less interesting?

 

[HR-PUFF&STUFF]

your right he only stopped Doc ock because he kidnapped MJ.

 

[CConn]

I think the reason it's always made a personal struggle with heroes and villain (in most good/bad guy movies, actually) is because it works the best in a two hour time frame. Firstly, almost no one cares about a villain who's not at all connected to the hero. In any form of media. Do people read Batman or Spider-Man to see them beat up random thugs? No, they don't. They read it to watch them fight The Joker, and Doc Ock, and all of those guys. For whatever reason, people like personal struggles. That's made even more evident by the fact that all of the most famous villains, are the ones who have done the most damage to the hero's personal life (The Joker, Green Goblin, etc.).

To reiterate, personal (or as you term it, selfish) struggles is just what's most interesting to people at large. Even in (a lot) of comics, totally selfless/impersonal acts of crime fighting is held to short cut-scenes.

 

[MrSelfDestruct]

I want a toilet made of solid gold, but it just isn't in the cards.

 

[Cinemaman]

I give this thread one star

 

[Spider Boy]

There's no reason to stop someone unless they do something wrong first.

 

[RPG swordmaster]

thats how the comics are set up. DERR
if everything was perfect, we would all be living in sand huts

 

[J. J. Jameson]

thats how the comics are set up. DERR
if everything was perfect, we would all be living in sand huts

 

[RPG swordmaster]

perfect sense?

 

[Gonking]

Spider-man tried to stop Green Goblin and Doc Ock before this villians kidnaped MJ

 

[RPG swordmaster]

Exactly my point

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Spider-man tried to stop Green Goblin and Doc Ock before this villians kidnaped MJ

exactly man.

 

[RPG swordmaster]

exactly man.

hey stop copying me. meanie pants

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

hey stop copying me. meanie pants

haha, i wasnt though.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

I can finally sympathize with many of the other posters on this board.

They've complained about it all from the lack of "wise-cracks" from Spider-man all the way to the organic webbing.

They've complained about Octavious' redemption and the Green Goblin's costume.

All of this, I have chalked up to, simply, not being able to please everyone. But then we got this new trailer. An awesome trailer- really awesome, just like SPIDER-MAN and SPIDER-MAN 2 are awesome movies. However, I have a gripe, no it's not that the CGI is unpolished (this is a 300 million dollar movie, the CGI will be great) or that Venom didn't appear (although I did expect to see him).

My complaint is one that I've heard from other posters on this board- like Doc Ock. The complaint is- WHY THE HELL CAN'T A HERO BE A HERO JUST TO BE A HERO?

Why does (like in movie 1&2) the "woman he loves" have to be in trouble? Or why does the man he's hunting down have to be the murderer of his parent(s)?

Why could Flint Marko (Sandman) just be a menace to the society that had to be stopped? A menace so powerfull that the police and athorities couldn't bring him down and Spider-man steps in to save the day. Why can't he just save the day because it is the right thing to do?

Having Spider-man only really seem to get pissed off, when his girl friend is in danger or if the man he is chasing is the one that killed his uncle, really makes him seem selfish in my eyes. Yeah, there have been the burning building sequences and some other "random" crimes- but why does every "super-villain" need to make things any more personal than: "This is New York, this is Spider-man's city, and they are not going to get away with hurting anyone in his city".

Spider-man should be a selfless hero, not perfect, but not greedy. Have a villain that doesn't have to steal MJ to get to him, or that doesn't have to kill Gwen or Uncle Ben. Just have Spider-man want to stop a threat. He has the gift of being Spider-man- show him living with the curse of having to selflessly help everyone...add some wisecracks, and show him enjoy it.

I want a hero in SPIDER-MAN 3.

-R

spidey doesnt enjoy being a hero that much because he feels he has to do it, thats the way it is and thats the way everybody likes it, "with great power comes great responsibilty", thats the line of why spidey does what he does, and thats the way i like it, its been like that since spidermans 1st appearance in 1962 all the way to the movies.

 

[RPG swordmaster]

haha, i wasnt though.

prove it. I dont beleive you.

 

[NinjaTurtleFan]

Alright, this is getting old.

Superheroes always save the damsel in distress. And I'm sure when Spider-Man meets Sandman it's before he's delivered the news about Uncle Ben's real killer. At that point he's probably just protecting bystanders, police men, and Gwen Stacy. Hence, why she throws him a big parade and a "SPIDER-MAN APPRECIATION DAY."

So you will get to see him be a hero, but you will still get "the villain connected to him and he has to save his girl" approach.

I mean saving the damsel in distress is nothing new. Batman, Superman, Ghost Rider, Daredevil, Hulk, etc. have all been saving their girls in movies for years.

 

[RPG swordmaster]

Alright, this is getting old.

sorry i got kinda off topic, but it really kinda didnt bug me that much...

ON TOPIC: I agree with you

 

[superkong 500]

Oh crap I was getting happy when i started reading the first post on this thread. I though it was gonna be about spidey kicking the villains ass and fighting back instead of getting his ass handed out to him like it happens all the time(almost). But its about this? well I understand that spidey shoudn't have a personal motive or reason to stop the villian in every movie, so in some way I agree with the first poster. I think that the villain should be more of a threat to the whole city and not always be in the way of peter's personal interest and family values. It would further demonstrate peter's heroism I think its getting kinda tiresome to see MJ in the same position all the time. By part 4 MJ will leave peter for good just to not have to be kidnapped by some maniac again and again.

 

[superkong 500]

Alright, this is getting old.

Superheroes always save the damsel in distress. And I'm sure when Spider-Man meets Sandman it's before he's delivered the news about Uncle Ben's real killer. At that point he's probably just protecting bystanders, police men, and Gwen Stacy. Hence, why she throws him a big parade and a "SPIDER-MAN APPRECIATION DAY."

So you will get to see him be a hero, but you will still get "the villain connected to him and he has to save his girl" approach.

I mean saving the damsel in distress is nothing new. Batman, Superman, Ghost Rider, Daredevil, Hulk, etc. have all been saving their girls in movies for years.

I agree on the saving the damsel to a certain point. But what you said about spidey not knowing of sandman's involvement in ben's death is wrong. In the trailer clearly states that the police tells peter about flint's involvement in ben's death before spidey fights him for the first time. Because the police states that flint has disappeared for 2 or 3 days, so that's before they know that he's been transformed into a sand creature.

 

[Sock-Man]

Basically, you have to assume that the petty crimes and random criminals take place in between films. Those kind of storylines are great for comics, tv etc, but for a full length multi-million dollar movie, you're going to base it on an important story curve in Spider-Man's life. Which are always going to be the personal battles.

 

[The Kid]

It's ok to do a story where the hero has to fight someone they're connected to personally. It's an easy way to get some drama going. But this is getting out of hand. He fights harry, his rival from the office, and on top of that the guy who killed his uncle. All in one film. Let's get real. There are villains out there who don't know nor ever met anyone who knows Peter parker, aren't there? Bonesaw was cool to me because not only was he the slim jim guy but he's not peter's godfather or anything like that.

And I give up on raimi adding more wisecracks. Topher will be dishing them out left and right though, I'm sure. Absolutely sure. He's just like that inherently. He IS Spider-man in real life.

 

[lordofthenerds]

I can finally sympathize with many of the other posters on this board.

They've complained about it all from the lack of "wise-cracks" from Spider-man all the way to the organic webbing.

They've complained about Octavious' redemption and the Green Goblin's costume.

All of this, I have chalked up to, simply, not being able to please everyone. But then we got this new trailer. An awesome trailer- really awesome, just like SPIDER-MAN and SPIDER-MAN 2 are awesome movies. However, I have a gripe, no it's not that the CGI is unpolished (this is a 300 million dollar movie, the CGI will be great) or that Venom didn't appear (although I did expect to see him).

My complaint is one that I've heard from other posters on this board- like Doc Ock. The complaint is- WHY THE HELL CAN'T A HERO BE A HERO JUST TO BE A HERO?

Why does (like in movie 1&2) the "woman he loves" have to be in trouble? Or why does the man he's hunting down have to be the murderer of his parent(s)?

Why could Flint Marko (Sandman) just be a menace to the society that had to be stopped? A menace so powerfull that the police and athorities couldn't bring him down and Spider-man steps in to save the day. Why can't he just save the day because it is the right thing to do?

Having Spider-man only really seem to get pissed off, when his girl friend is in danger or if the man he is chasing is the one that killed his uncle, really makes him seem selfish in my eyes. Yeah, there have been the burning building sequences and some other "random" crimes- but why does every "super-villain" need to make things any more personal than: "This is New York, this is Spider-man's city, and they are not going to get away with hurting anyone in his city".

Spider-man should be a selfless hero, not perfect, but not greedy. Have a villain that doesn't have to steal MJ to get to him, or that doesn't have to kill Gwen or Uncle Ben. Just have Spider-man want to stop a threat. He has the gift of being Spider-man- show him living with the curse of having to selflessly help everyone...add some wisecracks, and show him enjoy it.

I want a hero in SPIDER-MAN 3.

-R

They did show Spider-Man stopping random crimes and saving random people on the street a number of times in the first films. Do you expect these movies to be like a free-roam video-game?

 

[Robin91939]

Yes,

I understand that the Green Goblin, Lex Luthor, Joker etc are the most interesting foes because of the personal damage they have caused for their hero- but not every major villain has that connection. Why do they have to bend it to do that in a LOT of movies.

Sandman has always just been a thug with too much power. Why do we make him the killer of Uncle Ben? When they already easily have personal struggle and conflict in this film in the form of Harry Osborn and Eddie Brock vs. Peter. Why couldn't Sandman been a guy that was out there and had to be stopped?

BATMAN BEGINS, I hate always having to reference this in terms of what should be done- but you have to, was able to do this.

Ra's Al Ghul in the comics has always had a personal connection to Bruce Wayne. He is the man who always wanted an heir, a son. He offers this role to the only man alive he finds suitable, in Bruce Wayne. Then you have Bruce Wayne who's always wanted a family, a father. He is offered everything he's ever wanted in Ra's- but because of his devotion to justice turns him down again and again....we see this clearly illustrated in the film.

Jonathan Crane/Scarecrow, has never really had a deep personal connection to Bruce Wayne/Batman in the comics. He doesn't have one here in the film either. And you know what? He is viewed as a threat that has to be stopped, and is. He is a main villain who is just a villain to the city. Rachel is kidnapped from him- but she is really only used as a way of Batman finding out where Crane is and what he is doing.

-R