International Trailer (with new shots)

Thanks! Cool shot with the helicopter.
 
Thanx for the link Retro!:):up:
 
nice find, like this trailer more then the us version those couple of added shots made it even more exciting, can't wait to see this movie. Tim and company might have made things right with this one. This is the first time I can actualy see a bit larger brow on the thing and for me that helps a lot :-)
 
nice find, like this trailer more then the us version those couple of added shots made it even more exciting, can't wait to see this movie. Tim and company might have made things right with this one. This is the first time I can actualy see a bit larger brow on the thing and for me that helps a lot :-)

Ya know....I guess I truly don't get this.......how does that help the story, which in many people's eyes was weak the first time around.....and how does it help the cineamatography which was weak IMO, and the editing????

I don't know....I have yet to hear Thing's brow was a weak point and if it was bigger the movie would be better from anyone other than on these boards......

I'm really missing the point on that one........

I know there are some who were very upset about it around here.....and thats ok, I don't have any problem with that.....I guess I just don't see how it could make the movie better than the first....

I'm very happy with what I've seen thus far, but honestly, none of it enough to make me any less leary of Fox's handling of this fanchise.....
 
Ya know....I guess I truly don't get this.......how does that help the story, which in many people's eyes was weak the first time around.....and how does it help the cineamatography which was weak IMO, and the editing????

I don't know....I have yet to hear Thing's brow was a weak point and if it was bigger the movie would be better from anyone other than on these boards......

I'm really missing the point on that one........

I know there are some who were very upset about it around here.....and thats ok, I don't have any problem with that.....I guess I just don't see how it could make the movie better than the first....

I'm very happy with what I've seen thus far, but honestly, none of it enough to make me any less leary of Fox's handling of this fanchise.....


Lol yeah i never understood the big complaint regarding the things brow but i dont quite think they meant it in a way that the film was wrecked because of it lol.
 
Ya know....I guess I truly don't get this.......how does that help the story, which in many people's eyes was weak the first time around.....and how does it help the cineamatography which was weak IMO, and the editing????

I don't know....I have yet to hear Thing's brow was a weak point and if it was bigger the movie would be better from anyone other than on these boards......

I'm really missing the point on that one........

I know there are some who were very upset about it around here.....and thats ok, I don't have any problem with that.....I guess I just don't see how it could make the movie better than the first....

I'm very happy with what I've seen thus far, but honestly, none of it enough to make me any less leary of Fox's handling of this fanchise.....
good question..
I didn't say it helps the story (the brow) and I'm am still leary with Tim and his handling of this movie.
But I'll give him and others credit for at least listening and making some adjustments and for taking some of the biggest ideas from the comic and tring to fit them into this story. It tells me that they know the history and are trying to adapt it, will it work? I don't know, but I have to admit what I've seen is pretty cool.
THE BROW! ha ha
For me and many, many old timers (or baby boomers) the Jack Kirby Thing with the large brow was the character we new, loved and grew up with. I'm not surprised you don't hear people out side of the forum griping (I like to think the best and brightest come to talk here ha ha) but believe me many people out side were not happy with the way he looked.
We saw this as a lack of respect and imagination for one of the best comic characters.
Imagine if they said "No one will buy a guy on a surf board so lets just give him the power to fly" some times you have to trust the public and their imaginations. Everything dosent have look like it will fit in the real world. We want to see what we've grown up with and loved.
In the first movie to see the thing without the larger brow and in his flexing rubber suit just made me cringe shot after shot. He looked more like a rocky Don Rickles then the ever lovin blue eyed Thing. Imagine a movie about Jimmy Durante but the actor has this tiny nose lol come on! people just wouldn't buy it haha and we didn't buy their visual interpitation of the Thing.
So in short it's not about story line, or plot, it's about respect for an artists vision (Kirby) it's about trusting the viewer to believe and enjoy what they have grown up with and been familiar with. Part of loving a person or character is loving them warts and all and if a big brow is one of those warts so be it.
I realy believe the first movie could have been bigger if they had trusted the comic material, Doom was butchered. I remeber the first spidey movie and there was debate about the suit and how the blue and red one would look silly on the big screen, well thank god smarter heads prevailed and we got the spiderman we all know and love. They should have done the same with the Thing.
At least they're making some adjustments and I give them credit for that, could it be better? "Hell Yes!" but I don't have the big bucks to buy the franchise and make it the right way lol So I'll hope for the best. :-)
 
I have to admit, I'm the biggest F4 comic fan I know outside of this board....which is to pretty much say....I know "no" other comic book fans.....most of my kids in my classes are not comic book fans, they are fans of the x-men, superman, batman and spiderman cartoons....most have probably not picked up a comicbook except for the F4 comicbooks I have in my classroom.....

Of those people, everyone was actually impressed that they went with an actor rather than cgi and liked the look.....

I understand why fans of the comicbook would want it as close as what they've read over the years, but which look, Kirby's, the UFF, the MK....to me you will NEVER make everyone happy, BUT if you put together a look that for the most part, from what I can tell from the regular moviegoer, liked the look and were impressed with what they saw.....

As for myself, brow or not, I liked the look....BUT I wanted more of a smooth movement than what I saw. From what I've seen and heard they have fixed that.....and it looks good. More than anything, I wanted Michael to enjoy his work more this time, and it looks like they got that right as well...
 
I have to admit, I'm the biggest F4 comic fan I know outside of this board....which is to pretty much say....I know "no" other comic book fans.....most of my kids in my classes are not comic book fans, they are fans of the x-men, superman, batman and spiderman cartoons....most have probably not picked up a comicbook except for the F4 comicbooks I have in my classroom.....

Of those people, everyone was actually impressed that they went with an actor rather than cgi and liked the look.....

I understand why fans of the comicbook would want it as close as what they've read over the years, but which look, Kirby's, the UFF, the MK....to me you will NEVER make everyone happy, BUT if you put together a look that for the most part, from what I can tell from the regular moviegoer, liked the look and were impressed with what they saw.....

As for myself, brow or not, I liked the look....BUT I wanted more of a smooth movement than what I saw. From what I've seen and heard they have fixed that.....and it looks good. More than anything, I wanted Michael to enjoy his work more this time, and it looks like they got that right as well...
there is only one look and thats Kirby's and my young nephew who has enjoyed reading the old comics I've given him wasn't happy with the look. So I think it's a matter of exposure.
I would say the thing we saw wasn't so much a blending of looks but more of a what will the public buy into. Thinking like that is always a mistake, that short changes the imagination of the viewer.
I agree about the movement and from what I've seen they have tried to fix that, and I can honestly say I see a slightly larger brow and that makes me happy, that tells me they know they missed the mark by being to conservative and have listened to the fans and made adjustments and for that I give them credit.
And Michael was great he brought what no brow could bring and that heart :-)
 
there is only one look and thats Kirby's and my young nephew who has enjoyed reading the old comics I've given him wasn't happy with the look. So I think it's a matter of exposure.
I would say the thing we saw wasn't so much a blending of looks but more of a what will the public buy into. Thinking like that is always a mistake, that short changes the imagination of the viewer.
I agree about the movement and from what I've seen they have tried to fix that, and I can honestly say I see a slightly larger brow and that makes me happy, that tells me they know they missed the mark by being to conservative and have listened to the fans and made adjustments and for that I give them credit.
And Michael was great he brought what no brow could bring and that heart :-)

You just gave an example of the problem. The UFF is the big seller now as far as this franchise....the kids reading those might want that look, I liked the MK above the others, maybe I wanted that look (didn't matter to me, but just a "what if"???) who's right or wrong....what was right or wrong for he look????? depends on what you say your opinion of "the look" is.....not everyone is going to be happy.....

There was some debate about Sue....and her character....for me, had they gone with the early Sue, I would not have been happy.......I don't feel a connection with women who are "damsels in distress"....but that is who and what the character was in the early issues.....she is not like that now......some wanted the "damsel in distress"....who's right......depends on your perspective....
 
You just gave an example of the problem. The UFF is the big seller now as far as this franchise....the kids reading those might want that look, I liked the MK above the others, maybe I wanted that look (didn't matter to me, but just a "what if"???) who's right or wrong....what was right or wrong for he look????? depends on what you say your opinion of "the look" is.....not everyone is going to be happy.....

There was some debate about Sue....and her character....for me, had they gone with the early Sue, I would not have been happy.......I don't feel a connection with women who are "damsels in distress"....but that is who and what the character was in the early issues.....she is not like that now......some wanted the "damsel in distress"....who's right......depends on your perspective....
Thats all true I would'nt disagree with any of that, where I think they missed the mark was they miscaculated the pool of viewers for this movie. I don't think they realized the pool of older viewers like myself, the baby boomers (we're talking large numbers here) who grew up and loved this comic, we've been waiting a long time for this to be made and in our minds eye we new what the Thing should look like, and some times the studio just gets it wrong and they missed the mark, if they hadn't they wouldn't be trying to improve him. If they had made a movie aimed at that crowd the rest would have followed, we're the ones taking our kids to this movie and we would have done it over and over again if they had hit the mark.
I know this has been said before but I would have prefered a movie set in the 60's with a the damsel in distress ha ha. A flash back to an earlier time, with that great 60's music, that would have been a jewel of a movie.
A movie to escape our modern times from, a movie filled with those wonderfull designs and machines by Jack Kirby. It's something I can't explain you just had to have lived and read comics at that time. There has never been another era like it, a time when you could go to your local news stand or the neighberhood ma and paw store (there were no big comic stores at that time) with just a buck in your pocket and the sounds of rock and protest music ringing in your ears.
For just 12 cents an issue you could buy this fantastic world of color and action that was Marvel, that was Jack, Gene and Ditko.
That was the magic I was hoping they could capture the first time around. But they played it safe and it became a modern tale and it was just ok :-(
a movie for the mass's and like movies made for the mass it missed the mark, movies like that have no mark or bullseye to hit.
Like any art form some times you hit a home runs (Metropolis, 2001, Jaws, Raiders, Star Wars, Close Encounters, 300, Sin City ) in the first movie they just got on base, here's hoping in the next time at bat they hit the home run :-)
 
I respect your opinion....but I think a 60's movie with 60's music etc......would not have been as successful...

As I've said before a few times, I don't believe the problems of this film were because of the adaptation, I believe they were in the areas of cgi, cinematography and editing.....I don't believe a retro-story would have done anything except alienate the majority of your summer viewing audience....I would have been a part of that alienated audience.....

A jewel of a movie for you the lovers of the early comics, but for the audience now of the UFF and others.....I don't think we would have a sequel....you would have had 1 movie that you enjoyed....
 
I respect your opinion....but I think a 60's movie with 60's music etc......would not have been as successful...

As I've said before a few times, I don't believe the problems of this film were because of the adaptation, I believe they were in the areas of cgi, cinematography and editing.....I don't believe a retro-story would have done anything except alienate the majority of your summer viewing audience....I would have been a part of that alienated audience.....

A jewel of a movie for you the lovers of the early comics, but for the audience now of the UFF and others.....I don't think we would have a sequel....you would have had 1 movie that you enjoyed....
while I also respect your opinion well never know if you and others would have enjoyed the movie I'm talking about, it's hard to judge a jewel thats never been created :-). Your your right on mark with the problems and weekness's of the first movie the cgi, cinematography and editing lets hope they got it right this time :-)
 
I respect your opinion....but I think a 60's movie with 60's music etc......would not have been as successful...

As I've said before a few times, I don't believe the problems of this film were because of the adaptation, I believe they were in the areas of cgi, cinematography and editing.....I don't believe a retro-story would have done anything except alienate the majority of your summer viewing audience....I would have been a part of that alienated audience.....

A jewel of a movie for you the lovers of the early comics, but for the audience now of the UFF and others.....I don't think we would have a sequel....you would have had 1 movie that you enjoyed....
Yeah i know exactly. It would have pleased the hardcore fanboys and but it probably wouldn't have done so well at the BO and the studio wouldn't wanna make any more movies and the end of the franchise. Is that what people want just one movie and not a franchise?
 
while I also respect your opinion well never know if you and others would have enjoyed the movie I'm talking about, it's hard to judge a jewel thats never been created :-). Your your right on mark with the problems and weekness's of the first movie the cgi, cinematography and editing lets hope they got it right this time :-)

Well when I look at movies like Sin City, these movies are timeless, they aren't really set in any particular time, they would work in any time....but I know myself, and I have enjoyed very few retro type of movies, unless they are of the musical nature....chasing the commies into space, just doesn't peak my interest.....I'm not sure that it would have peaked the interest of my students either, and I know those kids pretty well.....:yay:
 
Yeah i know exactly. It would have pleased the hardcore fanboys and but it probably wouldn't have done so well at the BO and the studio wouldn't wanna make any more movies and the end of the franchise. Is that what people want just one movie and not a franchise?
I'm getting a little tired of this fanboy label people like to use to excuse our disatisfaction of weak product. Our disapointment isn't becuase we're "fanboys" it's because we can see the forest amongts the trees.
As a long time reader of this comic (in my opinion) no later version of this comic has ever had the impact on it's readers as the 60's version did. Thats not becuase the newer stories aren't good and I'm sure there are many of you who enjoy them. But with the flood of titles and over saturation of like titles the impact on our culture is very small.
Fact is the FF in the 60's was huge they were the greatest comic of it's time done by the best artist of our time, huge at the college level. Almost every story teller or artist in the busness will tell you how they owe a debt or were influenced by it.
So when I speek of magic I mean capturing the flavor, spirit and impact the title had in it's time. I challenge any of you to go back start around issue 45 and read thru issue 75 there you'll find the wonder and heart of the group called the Fantastic Four. This was Stan Lee and Jack Kirby at there greatest as a team. There has never been a run of creativity to match it since. You might even put on the best of 60's rock to play in the background as you read them ha ha.
That's what all us FANBOYS! as you like to call us were looking for and hoping for in the first movie, if they had found that magic believe there would have been sequels probably more then we're going to get now.
As it is we're lucking to be getting a sequel out of the first movie, yes it did well but it could have done much better and that shows in the amount they're spending, not much more then the first compared to the jumps in spending in the spiderman movies. Of course we're talking fox here and not sony ha ha.
I'm afried some of you will never get what I'm talking about but thats cool!
but just magine this title in the hands of a Peter Jackson, now that would have been a movie :-)
 
I'm getting a little tired of this fanboy label people like to use to excuse our disatisfaction of weak product. Our disapointment isn't becuase we're "fanboys" it's because we can see the forest amongts the trees.
As a long time reader of this comic (in my opinion) no later version of this comic has ever had the impact on it's readers as the 60's version did. Thats not becuase the newer stories aren't good and I'm sure there are many of you who enjoy them. But with the flood of titles and over saturation of like titles the impact on our culture is very small.
Fact is the FF in the 60's was huge they were the greatest comic of it's time done by the best artist of our time, huge at the college level. Almost every story teller or artist in the busness will tell you how they owe a debt or were influenced by it.
So when I speek of magic I mean capturing the flavor, spirit and impact the title had in it's time. I challenge any of you to go back start around issue 45 and read thru issue 75 there you'll find the wonder and heart of the group called the Fantastic Four. This was Stan Lee and Jack Kirby at there greatest as a team. There has never been a run of creativity to match it since. You might even put on the best of 60's rock to play in the background as you read them ha ha.
That's what all us FANBOYS! as you like to call us were looking for and hoping for in the first movie, if they had found that magic believe there would have been sequels probably more then we're going to get now.
As it is we're lucking to be getting a sequel out of the first movie, yes it did well but it could have done much better and that shows in the amount they're spending, not much more then the first compared to the jumps in spending in the spiderman movies. Of course we're talking fox here and not sony ha ha.
I'm afried some of you will never get what I'm talking about but thats cool!
but just magine this title in the hands of a Peter Jackson, now that would have been a movie :-)


I agree, the term "fanboy" is way overused....


As far as the loss of readership of comics, I don't think that says anything against the quality of the new titles, I actually enjoyed the MK issues very much, much more than the original issues....

I think the loss of readership is simply a sign of the times.....comicbooks, WERE THE BIGGEST FORM OF ENTERTAINMENT.....now for the youngsters and teenagers its video games..... just a change in society.
 
Okay should i say people who read the comics and aren't pleased cause they think its being "butcherd" cause its not what they thought it should be?
 
I agree, the term "fanboy" is way overused....


As far as the loss of readership of comics, I don't think that says anything against the quality of the new titles, I actually enjoyed the MK issues very much, much more than the original issues....

I think the loss of readership is simply a sign of the times.....comicbooks, WERE THE BIGGEST FORM OF ENTERTAINMENT.....now for the youngsters and teenagers its video games..... just a change in society.
well said... I would agree the quality is as good if not better today with many titles. I was a big fan of John Brynes version of the FF. And your right about the impact video games has had on comics. Happy to say video games hasn't changed my love for the old stories and art as I play ultimate alliance on my xbox 360 lol. I guess you can teach and old dog a new trick lol take that society ha ha :-)
 
Ya know....I guess I truly don't get this.......how does that help the story, which in many people's eyes was weak the first time around.....and how does it help the cineamatography which was weak IMO, and the editing????

I don't know....I have yet to hear Thing's brow was a weak point and if it was bigger the movie would be better from anyone other than on these boards......

I'm really missing the point on that one........

I know there are some who were very upset about it around here.....and thats ok, I don't have any problem with that.....I guess I just don't see how it could make the movie better than the first....

I'm very happy with what I've seen thus far, but honestly, none of it enough to make me any less leary of Fox's handling of this fanchise.....


The brow is what we associate with the Thing, it is his trademark. To us that is what makes him distinctive. Without it he looks funny because that is not the look we are familar with.

That is all it is Albafan. We want to be reminded of the spirit of those childhood years, to recapture the thrill of picking up a new issue. To many of us we want to be transported back to that time in our lives.

Removing the brow breaks the spell somewhat. As an FF newbie you don't feel the disconnect because you don't have those familiar memories.

You should have been there mam, those were the stuff of dreams. :cwink:
 
There is only one new shot ... it is the helicopter flying over the water. That is it.
 
The brow is what we associate with the Thing, it is his trademark. To us that is what makes him distinctive. Without it he looks funny because that is not the look we are familar with.

That is all it is Albafan. We want to be reminded of the spirit of those childhood years, to recapture the thrill of picking up a new issue. To many of us we want to be transported back to that time in our lives.

Removing the brow breaks the spell somewhat. As an FF newbie you don't feel the disconnect because you don't have those familiar memories.

You should have been there mam, those were the stuff of dreams. :cwink:

I was there, just not reading comics, I was reading other things.....

Bottomline for me is, if its a good story, and story fixes the problems of the first, and I go and see a fun, enjoyable, exciting movie with my family? I don't care which comics they pull from.....
 

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