Interview with JMS and JQ on Spidey in Wizard

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  1. sethcohen still beats hal...

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    Did anyone catch this? these guys are nuts... like seriously insane... JMS said its his job to screw up spidey as much as he can? JQ decided to make
    Norman Osborne gwens baby daddy
    just cuz it would piss people off? what the hell? are these guys just that self indulgent or what?
    i cant find the article online so when i get home tonite ill add some choice quotes from it...
     
  2. bulok Registered

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    Self indulgent isnt the word, they're *****
     
  3. sethcohen still beats hal...

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    i was trying to be cordial lol
     
  4. Doc Destruction Geaux Saints!

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  5. Genesis 1.0 Thread Overlord's Minion

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    Heh, when you know that whatever you do is going to be scrutiinzed by the online community but won't affect sales much, why not tweak their noses? Chances are that no matter what they do, how many times they bend to accomodate the current 'flash in the pan' fan demmand, most of them will still have alot of crap to complain about. I don't mind my Marvel at all right now so I found this to be an entertaining read.
     
  6. Darthphere Kneel before 'Drox!

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    Joey Q's reasons for hating Peter married are simply put, idiotic.
     
  7. BrianWilly Disciple of Whedon

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    Ugh, I can't stand Quesada and his stupid, chronic fear of change, and I'm beginning to think JMS isn't much different. They keep whining that Spider-Man's not the way that he should be, and yet they're the ones that continue to throw him off the track.
     
  8. Darthphere Kneel before 'Drox!

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    It worries me when they said at the ending how they were going back to what STan Lee did....thats not necessarily a good thing.
     
  9. TheCorpulent1 SHAZAM!

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    I'm guessing Peter will be single and penniless again before long, if those comments are any indication.
     
  10. Mr. Green Where the Wild Hulks Are

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    This is great. Spidey fans are FINALLY getting screwed while us Hulk fans are FINALLY getting what we want! The tables certainly have turned! MWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
     
  11. venom892 Coming Home

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    I absolutely hated the article.I could just feel the spit on my face.How can you just say the marriage doesn't work for spider-man that he has to be the everyman?I'm sorry Joey Q but isn't that the whole purpose of Ultimate?Thankfully I didn't read the other and I hated sins past.I will admit I loved JMS early run.I thought is was a return to glory for Spidey.But then Sins past happened and I was just disgusted.I stopped enjoying the book.Now I am actually likng sensational an d friendly neighborhood.If they Make him single and just return to the 60's getting rid of plently of contrubutions I'm gone from Amazing until JMS is off.
     
  12. Harlekin Business

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    At least Joey Q has already admitted that he isn't going to break up MJ and Spidey, because he knows it would be counter-productive to what he wants.
     
  13. PhotoJones Registered

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    are you kidding me? what's this "fear of change" you're talking about?

    - spider-man has new powers and a new costume.
    - gwen stacy was revealed to be a ****.
    - luke cage, spider-woman, echo and the sentry are now main players.
    - NEW avengers
    - jean and banshee, both dead. probably for good.
    - bucky: not dead.

    so your complaints are a little unfounded. the problem is that quesada changes everything. and most of the time, not for the better.
     
  14. roach I am the night

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    The problem with JQ is that everything he does is for sales.Yes I realize that sales is what Marvel is really after but the EIC should be focused on story rather than sales. The fact that he thought it would be good to piss off the people who buy their books is rather telling on his part. However we the fans are part to blame in this. We continue to buy books that we know are subpar just because we dont want holes in our collections. Money is the only language these guys understand
     
  15. PhotoJones Registered

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    welcome to reality.
     
  16. roach I am the night

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    Reality is that people will continue to complain about Spider-Avatar Spider-man with stingers and organic webbing...yet continue to buy the book...not realizing that when the plop that 2.50$ down for AMS they are saying give me more of this
     
  17. Doc Destruction Geaux Saints!

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    Yeah well you can get good sales without becoming a complete ****e, too.
     
  18. roach I am the night

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    I agree. Think of the great runs in comics....do you think Frank Miller was doing what he was doing on Daredevil because of sales or to piss off fans????
    Was Claremont looking at home many books were selling when he penned Dark Phoenix saga?????
    Did Busiek and Perez decide to shatter the internet on there run?????
     
  19. PhotoJones Registered

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    those are few and far between. i'm just playing devil's advocate here, but look at the thing. great book. cancelled. look at spider-girl. defied cancellation for a LONG time. but still cancelled. mystique was a good book. cancelled.
    i'm sure you get my point. "great runs" do not always mean great sales. in fact, when they do, it's almost a miracle.
     
  20. BrianWilly Disciple of Whedon

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    There is a huge, huge difference between retconning things for shock value versus affecting the status quo for the sake of narrative progress. Just take a look at every single recent interview that Quesada has done concerning Spider-Man; the man is completely, 100% horrified about the notion of anything disrupting his precious and marketable status quo, and just can't stop talking about how all he wants is for Pete to remain changeless and marketable forever. And just take a gander at the massive clusterfck of retcons that occurred after Morrison left to see what Quesadilla thought about the long-term changes he brought to the X-Men; there's a reason that most X-fans joking refer to the "Reload" event post-Morrison as the "Retread" event. Look at "no more mutants"; Quesada himself admitted that it only happened because he hates how the X-books have progressed since their 70s heyday of being lynched on the streets. The only thing it "changed" the X-Men into was their old selves.

    Remember the last time Spider-Man got new powers? Yeah, the ones where he gave birth to himself and then started talking to insects? The ones that appeared in Spectacular Spider-Man just last year? Forgotten by the fans, ignored by the writers. Hell, JMS is barely incorporating any of Spidey's new powers into his books, and he was the one who just made them! How long will these last, I wonder?
    And the new suit is only going to be around for Civil War. No permanent changes, nothing but temporary shock value to get people talking; after a while we'll go back to Quesada's safe little status quo where he can try to cook up yet another temporary shock.

    Gwen Stacy becoming a **** wasn't change, it was an enormous character assassination that Quesada himself all but boasts was merely a shock ploy to get fans riled. And yet, look where that story has gone now, look where the Goblin Twins are now: absolutely nowhere. Forgotten and ignored by both fans and writers. Nothing permanent changed, no harm no foul to the status quo.
    Retconning things for the sake of shocking stories is awkward at best and cowardly at worst. You're too frightened to make any real ripples in the present stories so you have to go back and mess up stories from the past. It might work once or twice, but if it's all you ever do then all you're doing is changing the past, not the present.

    There is absolutely no way Jean Grey is dead for good. Banshee, maybe. But considering all the resurrections Marvel has pulled recently, how do they expect us to take any deaths seriously anymore? And the Avengers aren't nearly recognizable enough for any change to their membership to hurt sales; I was a talking to a friend the other day -- not a big internet user, but a reasonably big X-Men fan -- and he thought I was joking when I said that Captain America was a Marvel character. There's no risk in messing with his status quo.

    All those "changes" you mention are just surface, superficial shock events designed by their very nature to be retconnable and temporary. They barely scratch at the character and are just as easily removed as they are implemented. And look at what Quesada's reaction is towards events such as Peter and MJ's marriage, their baby, and the death of Aunt May...stories that can't be easily swept under the rug and forgotten: he absolutely hates them. They only remind him of how much Spider-Man has changed since his early days, changes that -- in his opinion -- only hurt Spider-Man's accessability and thus profitability. He pretty much explains outright that he isn't interested in what fans who have been following stories for a long time want, that he's only interested in what will draw in newer readers.
     
  21. PhotoJones Registered

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    you have defended you moot point/half proved my point.

    there is no denying that changes have been made since the q took office. he's changed everything. it's like a new company.

    now, whether the changes have been for pure shock value or not was not the debate. i was repling to your original post that said quesada is afraid to change anything. he's obviously not, as you've pointed out.

    do you think spidey's powers would've stayed if the fan reaction was better? of course they would. just because the idea is terrible and probably won't stick doesn't mean he didn't aim to change something.

    oh, and retcons are changes, too.
     
  22. Xofenroht The Mad Moreno

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    I just wish people would stop trying to SPLIT THE UNIVERSE IN HALF and start focusing on just telling a really good story in a way it has never been told. That's what makes a good read, when the writer and/or artists execute something in such a fantastical way that you want to read it over and over again. And you read it over and over, not because you can't believe they just screwed you over again, but because you want to see that part which defined it all.
    I LOVED Daredevil: Decalogue. It had me reading comics in a totally different way and is why Daredevil is one of my Top 5 favorite Super Heroes right now.
    As far as Spider-Man goes, no one ever said an everyman couldn't have a wife. Eventually these things happen. If he went on through life never getting a break and never getting at least a taste of what he wanted, who would he be? How do you look up to a miserable character? "Oh I have no life but I keep swingin'!" Give me a break. I like him the way he is...I'd like him better without the "stingers", but I'm waiting for those to fizzle out.
     
  23. Darthphere Kneel before 'Drox!

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    Joey Q wants comics to revert back to the way they were when he was reading them, but times change.
     
  24. BrianWilly Disciple of Whedon

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    You're right, I should probably rephrase, then: Quesada is terrified of long-term changes to the status quo. On the other hand he is completely comfortable with making short-term, shocking twists or retcons that don't tread over his idea of what things should be.

    A retcon is definitely a change, but it's a completely different sort of change than what I'm referring to. What I'm referring to is progress, and I probably should have used that term.
     
  25. sethcohen still beats hal...

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    here are a few gems from those two idiots:
    Wizard: Lets start with the new costume... was it a success?
    JQ:When we announced the new costume, the pre-orders on the issues it appeared in whent up by a third to twp-thirds. Litterally overnight. Fan reaction is really tough to judge. The only way you can really tell at the end of the day is by the sales of the book.

    is JQ really that stupid that he thinks it was a good fan reaction that increased sales? no it was collectors and slimey resellers driving those pre-order sales... JQ is smart enough to know that, he just doesnt care... whatever happened to telling the best story possible and it selling like crazy? isnt that what claremont did to make the x-men the success they became? ugh... i can feel the piss in my hair right now...
     

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