Is DCE accomplishing anything?

[Blader5489]

I don't think more = better.

You must not be a studio executive!


Anyway, the only reason WB hasn't been pushing DC superhero movies (outside of Batman and Superman) the way Marvel has is because they've never needed to. For the past decade, they've had Harry Potter and Chris Nolan for their go-to summer tentpoles; they've never needed to expand beyond that, so why take the risk? Now that they're about to run out of Harry Potters and Nolan Batmen, they'll be pushing the DC heroes (and they've said as much over the past year). But like others have said, a lot of it is resting on Green Lantern, and if that movie bombs, it could seriously hamper the future of DC superhero movies.

So if you want to see movies for Flash, Aquaman, WW, etc. then buy a lot of GL merch and watch the airing of every WW episode.

 

[Mace Dolex]

I don't care what comes out, I'm just excited for superhero movies.

But that doesn't mean I'll spend to see just ANY comic book movie, there is some garbage I avoid like The Spirit, Red, The Losers, Jonah Hex.

 

[Willi Berg]

I would think that after Nolan's Batman is done & he is not there to say no to it then the very least maybe one day a Superman & Batman movie if the new Superman is successful. But I doubt a full on team up like The Avengers

Yeah, Nolan is also a factor in this shared universe. When he leaves, and if Superman is cleared in the courts, I wouldn't be surprised if WB look at the idea of a Superman/Batman teamup again, since it would be a big seller. Though, again, it will depend on the plans for Superman's own movies and whoever they hire for Batman, and whether a teamup encroaches on those stories. Then there's the actors being rehired etc.

 

[Lencho01]

Yeah, Nolan is also a factor in this shared universe. When he leaves, and if Superman is cleared in the courts, I wouldn't be surprised if WB look at the idea of a Superman/Batman teamup again, since it would be a big seller. Though, again, it will depend on the plans for Superman's own movies and whoever they hire for Batman, and whether a teamup encroaches on those stories. Then there's the actors being rehired etc.

And it seems Marvel's approach has not been smooth sailing for them.

 

[Willi Berg]

I guess DC are also toying with the idea of something like Barry Allen meeting up with Hal Jordan at some point but it seems like something that can only happen when both franchises are more established. And WB aren't willing to announce Flash until Green Lantern is proven a success...so this year will give a clearer picture, and next year will say a lot about the trend of superhero movies.

 

[DieSmiling]

Marvel pumps out movies like crazy, but they're very hit or miss. For every Spider-Man 2 or Iron Man you get two Fantastic Fours or Ghost Riders.

While they've taken their sweet time, I've been very happy with what DC has produced in the modern era (I don't care what anyone says, Superman Returns is awesome). I love Nolan's Batman films, and really liked Watchmen.

And frankly, maybe I'm in the minority because I don't actually read comics, but the idea of a shared universe between films isn't something I'm dying to see at all, particularly because Batman is my favorite superhero and he always works best on his own. A Justice League movie could be pretty rad, but it's not something I'm dying to see.

The most frustrating thing for me personally is that it looks like we're NEVER going to get a Wonder Woman movie, which annoys me so much. In the right hands a WW movie could freakin' rock.

 

[Lencho01]

I guess DC are also toying with the idea of something like Barry Allen meeting up with Hal Jordan at some point but it seems like something that can only happen when both franchises are more established. And WB aren't willing to announce Flash until Green Lantern is proven a success...so this year will give a clearer picture, and next year will say a lot about the trend of superhero movies.

I can see a GL/Flash connection happening since they're being done by more-or-less the same group of people who are likely more opening to making a connection.

Good point about them being established first. The general audience is likely not going to really care if say, Flash showed up in GL 2 just for a moment. Fanboys, sure. But, these films aren't really made for them.

 

[Iron_Stark]

Omg. I am so tired of hearing this. DCE is getting things going as much as possible. Am I completely pissed about the Wonder Woman INO series? Yes, absolutely... but that's television, not film.

WB/DCE are getting things revved up. I would rather wait a few yrs to see each character get their films after delevopment starts on them, SO THEY CAN DO THEM RIGHT IN THE FILM.

The problem with Marvel is this... yes they spit out films for their characters faster than a kid spits out chewing gum, but as a result you can't even count on two hands the number of films based on Marvel characters that have been screwed up majorly.

Daredevil, Elektra, Ang Lee's Hulk, Spider-Man 3, X-Men 3, Blade: Trinity, IM2 just to name some of them.

Captain America and Thor both look terrible, IMO. B

So I don't envy Marvel fans at all. I have Superman, Superman II, Batman, Batman Returns, Batman Begins and The Dark Knight to watch. Plus let's not forget the AMAZING dtv projects that DCE gives us a few times a yr.

DC fans shouldn't be complaining in the slightest bit. We have GL to look forward to this yr. And two great adaptations of the two biggest DC characters in history next yr, those being The Dark Knight Rises and The Man of Steel of course.

The Flash is being mapped out and planned as we speak and I look forward to seeing GL become another awesome franchise. Yes, I'm reserving judgement for the first film until it comes out in July... but everyone that's seen anything and has spoken about it says that it looks absolutely amazing. I have major faith in Martin Campbell. GL actually has the potential to be a science fiction franchise along the lines of Star Wars and Star Trek. Marvel doesn't have anything like that for their fans to look forward to.

With the exception of IM2, MARVEL STUDIOS didn't make any of those films. Most of those that you listed are Fox and Sony.

IM2 was hardly screwed up majorly, it had its problems, yes, but screwed up? lmao.

And Marvel doesn't have anything to look forward to????? I guess DC does with it's umpteenth Batman sequel, another Superman reboot with him fighting the same tired ass villains, Luthor and Zod? Gee we don't have enough of those do we? I'll admit, I am looking forward to Green Lantern, but that's pretty much it.

 

[The Batman]

all this thread does is attract marvel fanboys who come to gloat/bash dc whenever someone mentions that maybe...just maybe...marvel isnt doing everything perfectly in comparison to DC.

I'm glad people in the real world dont give a **** about "marvel" movies or "Dc" movies. Its all the same damn thing to them anyway.

 

[batlovescatDC]

With the exception of IM2, MARVEL STUDIOS didn't make any of those films. Most of those that you listed are Fox and Sony.

IM2 was hardly screwed up majorly, it had its problems, yes, but screwed up? lmao.

And Marvel doesn't have anything to look forward to????? I guess DC does with it's umpteenth Batman sequel, another Superman reboot with him fighting the same tired ass villains, Luthor and Zod? Gee we don't have enough of those do we? I'll admit, I am looking forward to Green Lantern, but that's pretty much it.

A Marvel fan should not be pointing out how many reboots Superman or DC has had. Superman Returns was a sequel to the Donner Superman movies, not a reboot. Yes it was an attempt at reviving the franchise, but it didn't set itself apart from the previous films... which is what a reboot does. It presents a new story and starts a seperate series. So that makes only 2 DC reboots... Batman Begins and the upcoming Superman film.

Marvel has done The Incredible Hulk, The Punisher: War Zone (which sucked), and they have X-Men: First Class & The Amazing Spider-Man coming out. Oh and they're doing TWO MORE versions of the Hulk in both The Avengers and a tv show.

And I didn't say Marvel doesn't have anything to look forward to... I said that they don't have a science-fiction character that has the potential to become a science-fiction saga like Green Lantern to look forward to..

As far as the villains/characters in the new Superman, nothing has been confirmed so far except for Superman and Martha Kent. We don't know for sure if Lex is in it or if Zod is in it. This film has been said to set up a huge Kryptonian mythology. If that is true, then there's a good possiblity that Brainiac is also in this. We don't know yet.

And yes, I think that Green Lantern looks better than Captain America, Thor, or X-Men: First Class. The only thing that's impressed me about any of those three is the look of Red Skull. And CA & X-Men are two of the only five Marvel titles I actually follow.

 

[Willi Berg]

all this thread does is attract marvel fanboys who come to gloat/bash dc whenever someone mentions that maybe...just maybe...marvel isnt doing everything perfectly in comparison to DC.

I'm glad people in the real world dont give a **** about "marvel" movies or "Dc" movies. Its all the same damn thing to them anyway.

When a DC fan criticises Marvel, inevitably a Marvel fan will come in, defend Marvel and make fun of DC and vice versa.

I think there are both advantages and disadvantages to having a shared universe right off the bat. I think it's clever that Marvel did that, to establish that and have that to work with. We still have to see how it all pans out though. But just because Marvel did it, I don't necessarily see it being suitable for DC at this point. Maybe in a way it is more necessary for Marvel to go that route.

 

[Willi Berg]

You think GL could be the second coming of Star Wars/Star Trek, yet Cap and Thor look terrible?? Really?

I hope all turn out to be great movies, but I can't imagine thinking that from what we've seen so far.

I hope Green Lantern is serious and credible enough to build that sci-fi mythology because there is a lot to do with that universe and there is a lot of story there. The worry is that it may have gone too silly and jokey but as long as there is some serious drama in there and good sci-fi it should do well.

I was watching First Flight again recently and stuff like Qward to me is pretty fascinating. If Krona is in there then we might get more of that stuff, which would be great to explore.

 

[REDophile]

GL has the same challenge as Iron Man of marketing a lesser-known superhero property. IM didn't have much instant name recognition before the film came out but the robo-technology/weaponry and action/adventure plot drew more of a box-office crowd outside of the comic book fans. Same with GL with the sci-fi, mythological feel to it. That and Robert Downey Jr. lending star credibility, same with Ryan Reynolds.

Perhaps when Nolan says he is done with Batman after TDKR it will dawn on DCE to get moving on other material like the Flash etc.

 

[The Sage]

Green Lantern's coming out this year. Third Batman's movie's coming up. Superman's coming up. The Young Justice tv series. The animated movies that have been getting released for quite awhile. I'm sure those are all signs that DCE is doing something...

 

[The Batman]

When a DC fan criticises Marvel, inevitably a Marvel fan will come in, defend Marvel and make fun of DC and vice versa.

I think there are both advantages and disadvantages to having a shared universe right off the bat. I think it's clever that Marvel did that, to establish that and have that to work with. We still have to see how it all pans out though. But just because Marvel did it, I don't necessarily see it being suitable for DC at this point. Maybe in a way it is more necessary for Marvel to go that route.

My problem is that marvel fanboys get their knickers in a twist if someone merely says their approach is hit and miss...which is a light critcism compared to what dc/wb gets.

And I agree with the shared universe bit. I'm glad Marvel did it, but we dont know how it'll turn out....and i wouldnt want to see dc doing the same thing.

Green Lantern's coming out this year. Third Batman's movie's coming up. Superman's coming up. The Young Justice tv series. The animated movies that have been getting released for quite awhile. I'm sure those are all signs that DCE is doing something...

which is why these threads have always been a joke. people think that if they're not getting their big budget blue beetle movie, that somehow DC/WB isnt doing anything at all. It just highlights how short sighted fanboys are.

 

[Octoberist]

I think my problem with DCE's strategy is that they have this 'wait and see' tactic, especially with Green Lantern (which has NO hype what so ever right now. Hell, even X-Men First Class has more of a buzz) While it does work in some cases, it's also a very passive move on their part. Perhaps, they should take a risk and BE a little more aggressive.*

*Not including Superman and Batman. I'm talking more about the other DC characters.

 

[The Batman]

they're passive cause they can afford to be. Marvel, however, has to put out/sell rights to films or else they'd probably end up bankrupt again.

 

[Octoberist]

I understand that (with WB being the top money making studio in the past decade) but there's always a point where you can be too passive too.
Likewise, Marvel is doing too much too soon.

 

[The Morningstar]

they're passive cause they can afford to be. Marvel, however, has to put out/sell rights to films or else they'd probably end up bankrupt again.

Huh? Marvel isn't selling rights, it's claiming rights back. The Punisher is back in their hands, for example. With the FF and Daredevil soon to follow I'd imagine.

With the power of Disney behind it, Marvel will never go bankrupt again.

 

[chamber-music]

Marvel sold the rights to their characters to other film studios thats why they have so many films out. You can't compare that to DC because their movies are made by the parent company WB.

You can only judge Marvel by their Marvel studios movies. Thats part of the reason it was set up so that they would have creative control of their own characters.

 

[jmc]

I still shake my head at those of you who don't get it. Marvel has only made 3 films, every other Marvel property that's appeared on screen has been produced by someone else who acquired the licence for use of the characters from Marvel. Marvel has sweet f-all to do with the likes of X-Men, Spider-Man etc, they've made IM1 & 2 and TIH. If you guys are gonna start comparing studios at least get your facts right.

 

[TheVileOne]

Marvel is a division of Disney now and they don't have to sell anything. Disney bought back the distribution rights for Avengers, Iron Man 3, and Cap and Thor sequels.

The point is after DCE formed, the Jonah Hex debacle was released.

You can point out the Marvel flops, but the movies they produced were Iron Man, Iron Man 2, and Incredible Hulk and soon to be released Thor and Cap. Punisher: War Zone was Lionsgate's bag.

You can say oh look new Superman, new Batman, Green Lantern, Young Justice TV series. All those would be happening regardless of DCE. Also its not like Superman didn't get that big reboot in 2006. One year after Batman Begins.

 

[Lencho01]

I'm pretty sure Jonah Hex wasn't a product of DCE. Same with The Losers and obviously Red.

 

[The Batman]

Huh? Marvel isn't selling rights, it's claiming rights back. The Punisher is back in their hands, for example. With the FF and Daredevil soon to follow I'd imagine.

With the power of Disney behind it, Marvel will never go bankrupt again.

Sorry, i spoke in present tense, I really meant to speak from a historical standpoint.

 

[The Batman]

I'm pretty sure Jonah Hex wasn't a product of DCE. Same with The Losers and obviously Red.

This.

GL is the first film under the DCE banner. You can say "Superman and Batman were gonna happen regardless", but you really cant say that about GL, and no one knows either way whether or not YJ wouldve been made without DCE.