Jurors find Yates not guilty

[jaguarr]

Again, you're reasoning by your own logic, but this lady CANNOT reason so what if in her mind murder is logical? You don't hold a dog or a shark accountable for murder since they cannot reason. Why can't certain humans be judged by the same merit if they themselves cannot help their own behavior because of brain damage and mental disorders.

They put down dogs and sharks that kill people, so maybe you should rethink your argument. Why pump money into rehabilitating and providing therapy for someone who's already proven that they can and will kill other people? I don't care if they can't reason properly or understand that what they did was wrong. The chances of them ever understanding are very slim and even if they do finally get a grasp of the gravity of their actions, what then? Put them in regular prison for the rest of their lives? They certainly can't ever be allowed to roam among the general population again. Don't waste money on these people. Remove them from the planet so they can't do it again.

jagl

 

[Lurk]

Mental illness is an extremely touchy subject for me, so I doubt I'll post much in this thread. I will say this much. While a person suffers from a debilitating mental condition, I don't think their choices can necessarily be considered their own. They are thinking and acting in a way that they would not if they were receiving appropriate treatment. If true rehabilitation is a possibility, it should not be denied.

 

[Cyclops]

Good. Not guilty. Now lock her away in a nuthouse and never let her out again.

 

[Spidey Rules 2]

If we threw out the insanity defense, then maybe it will deter people from wanting to do something and then claiming "insanity" right afterwards. If these people are not in their right minds, then they probably wouldn't know the difference between a mental hospital or a prison. Or better, yet, for murder (especially children) get them off our planet. Why rehabilate them? What purpose would they serve?

 

[thedeadite]

great decision...there's no way that this woman was "in her right mind" at the time of the killings...mental illness is a serious subject that i think alot of people here really don't understand, it's not the "crazy" you see in movies...do some research before making such rediculous claims.


ps... that's all i'll say on the subject so no comments needed, this thread is really pissing me off..

 

[Darthphere]

great decision...there's no way that this woman was "in her right mind" at the time of the killings...mental illness is a serious subject that i think alot of people here really don't understand, it's not the "crazy" you see in movies...do some research before making such rediculous claims.


ps... that's all i'll say on the subject so no comments needed, this thread is really pissing me off..

Awww.

 

[Superman79]

Cognizant enough to kill, cognizant enough to be on Death Row. End of story.

jag

Amen...The insanity defense is one of the worst actionable defenses in the legal system...it rarely works but when it does, it's usually in a situation it LEAST needs to.

 

[jaguarr]

Why did this turn into the "Save The Murderous Crazies" thread? People with mental health issues deserve every fair shake and ounce of help they can get to overcome their problems AS LONG AS THEY HAVEN'T KILLED ANYONE. But proven murderers who are guilty beyond a shadow of a doubt, crazy or not, don't deserve to continue to take up space on this planet or the tax dollars required to keep them contained whether that's Death Row or a mental hospital. They've KILLED PEOPLE. They can't be trusted to never do it again, and they can't ever be freed. Why burden society with their presence any longer? I realize I'm arguing the validity of the death penalty, here, but in my mind mental illness shouldn't have anything to do with it. Kill someone in cold blood, you get a lethal injection/electric chair/whatever. Period. We're way too easy on hardened criminals in this country, which is why so many of them are wandering the streets on early parole to make room for college kids that got caught one too many times with a dime-bag of Maui Wowy.

jag

 

[Truthteller]

I remember Maui Wowie.

Too bad Yates didn't.

 

[Superman79]

Why did this turn into the "Save The Murderous Crazies" thread? People with mental health issues deserve every fair shake and ounce of help they can get to overcome their problems AS LONG AS THEY HAVEN'T KILLED ANYONE. But proven murderers who are guilty beyond a shadow of a doubt, crazy or not, don't deserve to continue to take up space on this planet or the tax dollars required to keep them contained whether that's Death Row or a mental hospital. They've KILLED PEOPLE. They can't be trusted to never do it again, and they can't ever be freed. Why burden society with their presence any longer? I realize I'm arguing the validity of the death penalty, here, but in my mind mental illness shouldn't have anything to do with it. Kill someone in cold blood, you get a lethal injection/electric chair/whatever. Period. We're way too easy on hardened criminals in this country, which is why so many of them are wandering the streets on early parole to make room for college kids that got caught one too many times with a dime-bag of Maui Wowy.



jag

^ Couldn't have said it better myself.

 

[Spidey Rules 2]

I wonder what Noah, John, Paul, Luke and Mary would say about this thread. Oh wait, they'll never be able to read this since their mommy decided to end their life while she kicks back in a hospital. (Anyone who thinks this was the best decision, imagine what happened in your head. Picture her getting each kid, one by one and how they fought to stay alive.) Sounds like a fair deal.

 

[Superman79]

^ Oh SNAP!

 

[ges681]

Amen...The insanity defense is one of the worst actionable defenses in the legal system...it rarely works but when it does, it's usually in a situation it LEAST needs to.

Agree. I cant believe people bought it. She killed her kids!!!
Crazy or ont, you shouldnt be able to get away with murder.

 

[Lurk]

I may be way off base, jag, but it doesn't sound like you've known many (or any? I don't want to assume) individuals with serious psychological disorders. In one case in my own life, a woman I'd known for 22 years at that point, who was basically family, experienced mild post partum psychosis. After delivery, she didn't want to be near her baby because she feared she'd injure him or, more likely, worse. She had strange thoughts about hurting him, to the point she was afraid to be alone with him. Thankfully she has a loving, supportive family and she was able to move in with her mother while her husband held down the fort at home. Her mom essentially raised the baby the first few weeks until her medication and counseling set her back on the right track. Now she is back to being the woman I've always known and is the wonderful mother I'd expect. Had she not been treated and supported, though? I think it would have been a very different story.

I don't want to debate whether or not the jury's decision is correct. It's done, it's been made. My understanding of her case, from what I've read, is that Yate's husband basically knocked her up, one kid right after the other and never addressed her ever increasing depression. Her mental condition likely started (IMO, I'm no expert) with post partum depression and steadily worsened to a psychosis. The right-correct-good thing to do in her mind was to "save" her children from the sins of this world which would condemn them to hell. Yikes. Once she was contained, she maintained this story until her hormone levels were addressed and she was medicated. Then she recognized her actions and was horrified. Obviously, I wasn't there and it is not my intention to defend Yates. I only want others to recognize the severity of mental illness and how little we understand it today.

 

[kontac]

I wonder what Noah, John, Paul, Luke and Mary would say about this thread. Oh wait, they'll never be able to read this since their mommy decided to end their life while she kicks back in a hospital. (Anyone who thinks this was the best decision, imagine what happened in your head. Picture her getting each kid, one by one and how they fought to stay alive.) Sounds like a fair deal.

Damn thats so true it hurts. Each kid was basically waiting their turn to be dumped in the water and held there till their little body stopped moving. Where the hell did she put them once they were dead? Did she leave them in the tub and drown each one next to the dead one. Christ she needs a needle in her arm. So she can atleast on her way to hell scream to the kids that shes sorry.

 

[War Lord]

It looks like she's been eating well while in prison.

 

[Spidey Rules 2]

If I remember correctly, she took one kid at a time into the bathtub. I believe she started with the youngest and when she was done she put them in bed. The older kid saw what was happening and tried to get away, but he was only 7 (I think) so he didn't get far (or even out of the house if I remember it correctly).

 

[War Lord]

If I remember correctly, she took one kid at a time into the bathtub. I believe she started with the youngest and when she was done she put them in bed. The older kid saw what was happening and tried to get away, but he was only 7 (I think) so he didn't get far (or even out of the house if I remember it correctly).

As I recall, she drowned the kids from oldest to youngest.

 

[jaguarr]

I may be way off base, jag, but it doesn't sound like you've known many (or any? I don't want to assume) individuals with serious psychological disorders. In one case in my own life, a woman I'd known for 22 years at that point, who was basically family, experienced mild post partum psychosis. After delivery, she didn't want to be near her baby because she feared she'd injure him or, more likely, worse. She had strange thoughts about hurting him, to the point she was afraid to be alone with him. Thankfully she has a loving, supportive family and she was able to move in with her mother while her husband held down the fort at home. Her mom essentially raised the baby the first few weeks until her medication and counseling set her back on the right track. Now she is back to being the woman I've always known and is the wonderful mother I'd expect. Had she not been treated and supported, though? I think it would have been a very different story.

Actually, I have had people VERY close to me with some severe mental health issues. They didn't KILL anyone though, and neither did the woman you're referencing. I thought I was pretty clear about people who do have mental health problems certainly deserving and needing all the care and rehabilitation that is available to them. There is no question about that. However, once someone has killed another human being, they can NEVER be trusted to not do it again no matter whether they had mental health issues that were resolved or not. I'm pretty extreme in my view on murderers, though, and I realize that. I'd prefer that, if they are guilty without any doubt or reason for doubt, then they should just be dismissed from the planet to make room for people who want to live normal, peaceful lives and to free up tax dollars that could be used to build our education system back to something resembling respectibility. But don't think I'm saying that people with mental health issues shouldn't be treated, because they absolutely should be, AS LONG AS THEY HAVEN'T KILLED SOMEONE.

Would Yates situation have turned out different if she had been treated earlier? I don't know. Maybe. But people also have a real problem taking responsibilty for their actions in this country and often go to extremes to get out of having to pay the piper. And, I don't know that I buy that she was really insane, particularly since the first jury didn't think she was. If things were really that bad for her in her life and her marriage, then maybe she should have gotten out or done something else to change her situation other than drowning her own kids one by one without mercy in a bathtub. But, she made that decision to do so, mental health issue or not, and there is a price to be paid for that.

jag

 

[Grievous]

hi!

whats up?

 

[Darthphere]

Ummm dude, go up your post count somewhere else.

 

[Lackey]

It looks like she's been eating well while in prison.

damn she's hot... I'd totally let her drown my babies

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

hi!

whats up?

You're a doosh, that's what!

 

[LastSunrise1981]

She must've not been too crazy, she didn't kill herself. All this proves is that the system is very iffy and that you can literally get away with murder.

So hey, why not let go Susan Smith then? She drowned her kids by locking them in the car, then plunging the car into the river, and only got jail time. So hey, why stop now? Go ahead and release her while you're at it. All they did was basically say, "Hey, it's okay to kill your kids or any kid for that matter."

 

[War Lord]

damn she's hot... I'd totally let her drown my babies

When she was first arrested, she didn't actually look that bad.