Ken Ham vs Bill Nye (Is creation a viable model of origins?)

[Slushy]

Now he has gone down to repeating "the bible says so". That is his argument.

Yeah, I can't take the bible at face value for the very reason Bill pointed out: thousands of years of translation.

However, I have been provided everything that I need to continue living to the fullest: the air that I breath, the food that I eat, the sun's heat to keep warm, and shelter to get rest and have protection. Things you won't find on the 8 planets of the solar system.

The universe is a complex and intricate place and I'm resolute in my beliefs there is more to it after we die.

 

[Motown Marvel]

where ken seemed way more confident and engaging in the scripted speech that opened this debate, bill is way more confident and engaging in answering these off the cuff questions from viewers.

 

[Thundercrack85]

Well to be fair, Ham knows nothing about science, which means that every answer will be... the Bible says so.

 

[moviedoors]

People being put here by a universal spirit > People were giant monkeys

Wait, was this not sarcasm?

 

[Defacto]

"We love science" he says. As long as it doesn't contradict the bible. This guy obviously has all his money - and probably many others - on this creationism nonsense. He can't change his mind now even if he didn't really believe that **** anymore. Sad sad sad..

 

[The Guard]

Has anyone said "Science rules", yet?

 

[jmc]

Bill is far more in his element here than the first half.

 

[Defacto]

Ken Ham loves science and he has many creationist scientists who also love it. There are many scientists who believe in creationism you know. Creationists can be great scientists, see.

 

[Thundercrack85]

Clearly Ken Ham has not read the Koran.

 

[jmc]

....the bible said so......

 

[DarkSovereignty]

....the bible said so......

Well... It did

 

[jmc]

So, I've actually learned something from this. Creationists are far more bat **** crazy in their scientific beliefs than I thought.

 

[Hal_Jordan]

....the bible said so......

But you weren't there, you don't know!

 

[Defacto]

Ugh, why did I stay up to watch this. It got me thinking though. Maybe we should just take the bible's word for it and just obey it. It would take away that pesky thinking that I find myself in. Life could be so much simpler if we stop thinking for ourselves, stop having our own morality and just go by the book. No need to think when confronted with a problem. Just look up what the bible says about it and obey. No more inner conflicts or doubts. It would truly, be a heaven on earth then. Thank you. Amen.

 

[The End]

I'm about 15 minutes behind. Just around the part with Bill Nye talking about intelligently designed evolution - wonderful response.

 

[Thundercrack85]

Ugh, why did I stay up to watch this. It got me thinking though. Maybe we should just take the bible's word for it and just obey it. It would take away that pesky thinking that I find myself in. Life could be so much simpler if we stop thinking for ourselves, stop having our own morality and just go by the book. No need to think when confronted with a problem. Just look up what the bible says about it and obey. No more inner conflicts or doubts. It would truly, be a heaven on earth then. Thank you. Amen.

Yes, I too pine for Medieval Europe.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

im about 25 min behind, but... omg....... Nye is so much more coherent.

 

[The End]

Indeed. Nye's answers are so much more compelling. When he talked about thermodynamics, when he talked about natural selection, he really knows his stuff. And he's open about the things he doesn't know and encourages people to learn and discover. And Ham's answers are the complete opposite, utterly shallow. Why is the universe expanding? Just so god can show off. And "the bible tells us this, and this". Utterly vacuous.

 

[JewishHobbit]

Well, I think Nye won that debate. I think the best point Ken Ham made was in the beginning about Evolution and modern science being just as much a religion as Creationism. I thought he made some good points on that. But overall, Nye had the best arguments as I expected him to. Nye could rely on scientific fact while Ham had to rely on faith... which can really win no arguments because it's personal.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

"It's not survival of the fittest, it is survival of those who survive." - Ken Ham

(aka SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST ken...)

"There is no other book that (describes all other creation myth's he's apparently never heard of) there is no other book this specific...."

 

[jmc]

Well, I think Nye won that debate. I think the best point Ken Ham made was in the beginning about Evolution and modern science being just as much a religion as Creationism. I thought he made some good points on that. But overall, Nye had the best arguments as I expected him to. Nye could rely on scientific fact while Ham had to rely on faith... which can really win no arguments because it's personal.

Science is not a religion my friend. No amount of bull **** spin will change that one is based on evidence.

 

[NickNitro]

Well, I think Nye won that debate. I think the best point Ken Ham made was in the beginning about Evolution and modern science being just as much a religion as Creationism. I thought he made some good points on that. But overall, Nye had the best arguments as I expected him to. Nye could rely on scientific fact while Ham had to rely on faith... which can really win no arguments because it's personal.

This. And exactly what I figured it would of been. What a pointless debate.

 

[Thundercrack85]

Yes, evolution is like religion. What with all the fossils, and corroborating evidence.

 

[jmc]

Creationism is an insult to science, it's religion masquerading itself as a proper study when in actual fact it's trying to fit science into the teachings of an ancient story. This debate showcased the idiocy of the creationist argument.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

yeah, Religion is faith based meaning there is no evidence, you just believe it so. And your faith is tested on those beliefs.

Science can be tested with evidence to back it up. Theories yes, may be "close" to faith, but even the craziest theories out there, have a shred of evidence that makes the person think the way they do