Kobe today is as good as MJ ever was.

[12 Bladez]

Throwing all accolades, stats and bias out-the-window, and just looking at their individual overall games, what do you guys think? IMO, Kobe's pretty much MJ w/ smaller hands... and with smaller hands comes better handles and shooting touch but not as good a finisher around-the-rim and defender (compared to MJ). Please no flames, just votes and discussion. Thanks.

 

[The Game]

This thread is now about Ice Cream.........Vanilla is my fav

 

[Excel]

Ummmm no...Kobe is not even the leagues best or most talented player, but neither he or LeBron can touch MJ back in the day.

 

[Dodger]

Ummmm no...Kobe is not even the leagues best or most talented player, but neither he or LeBron can touch MJ back in the day.

What? He Just WON the Leagues MVP bro?

But yeah, I love Kobe. I'm huge Laker fan and I'll say it, Nobody will ever be anywhere near what MJ was.

 

[Immortalfire]

Hahahaha. No.

Michael is the one and only. Kobe is just another player.

 

[Excel]

What? He Just WON the Leagues MVP bro?

Ok; LeBron leads Kobe in every individual statistcal category. Kobe got the MVP because he has Pau, Lamar, Fish...I dont want to get into it; but championships are a measure of a team, not one player ESPECIALLY in Kobe's case.

 

[Scooter]

Double post.

 

[Scooter]

There are definitely flashes of Michael in Kobe. I've love MJ, and I've been a Lakers fan for a long time. Michael Jordan was the man, and he will be for a long time to come.

But there are flashes.

 

[BlackLantern]

There are flashes of brilliance but until Kobe has 6 rings like MJ, he isn't as good....correction Kobe needs to win 3 rings on his own to be near MJ....and this is coming from a Knicks fan who used to watch MJ come into the Garden on a yearly basis and crush the Knicks....

 

[Ghostvirus]

Ok if you LA fans are going to overreact, & be ******ed. I am going to side with Boston. Stop being stupid.:

 

[rdh007]

Mint Chocolate Chip FTW!

 

[DarthRekal]

Ok; LeBron leads Kobe in every individual statistcal category. Kobe got the MVP because he has Pau, Lamar, Fish...I dont want to get into it; but championships are a measure of a team, not one player ESPECIALLY in Kobe's case.

typical Celtics fan



Kobe had better stats the LAST THREE YEARS.. but didnt get a mention??

so whats your basis for that?


he DIDNT get MVP cause he DIDNT have Pau Lamar and Fish...???


BEFORE Pau got there.. he had the same team as last year and was STILL on top of the WEST....

 

[DarthRekal]

until Kobe has 6 rings like MJ, he isn't as good....correction Kobe needs to win 3 rings on his own to be near MJ....and this is coming from a Knicks fan who used to watch MJ come into the Garden on a yearly basis and crush the Knicks....

a) thats kinda redundant isnt it.. he has three now.. if he gets THREE more.. ppl will consider those HIS by himself(his team).. and it would also = six t:

b) why do you always tell us you're a knick fan... we know.. and whats so special about going into the garden and destroying the Knicks every year... we do that now

Ok if you LA fans are going to overreact, & be ******ed. I am going to side with Boston. Stop being stupid.:

there's the MC i know and love t:

 

[12 Bladez]

I know I said forget the stats but I couldn't resist...

Kobe 07-08 Stats (Season/Playoffs thus far)
28.3/31.9 PPG
45.9/50.9 FG% (2000+ attempts)
36.1/29.5 3P% (500+ attempts)
84.0/81.4 FT% (800+ attempts)

Jordan 92-93 (Season/Playoffs)
32.6/35.1 PPG
49.5/47.5 FG% (2500+ attempts)
35.2/38.9 3P% (300+ attempts)
83.7/80.5 FT% (700+ attempts)

So in their respective "primes", MJ scored a bucket or 2 more and was a tad-bit more efficient a scorer. And yet I'd still take Kobe's shot over MJ's; am I in the wrong here or do you guys think Kobe's the (slightly) better shooter too?

I'm sure most of you've seen this already but I thought I'd post here:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=74zX6R2qbrs

2:13-2:21 = badass t:

 

[Drizzle]

 

[fu manchu]

The answer, of course, is false. Although, Kobe is one of the best in basketball today, but sometimes he makes some dumb ass decisions. i could never say that about Jordan in his prime.

 

[Cmill216]

Kobe is the best thing since Michael.

But he's not Michael.

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[zenile]

No one will EVER be more clutch than MJ. That man had ice in his veins. Period.

 

[Excel]

Oh, someone will...D Wade had ice in his veins during the 2006 finals...LeBron has arguably the most raw talent ever...Kobes at a place where his game cant get much better...

 

[NewYorkSpider]

Untill Kobe accomplishes all these or comes close, he's not even close with Michael Jordan.

• 6x NBA Champion (1991, 1992, 1993, 1996, 1997 1998)
• 5x NBA MVP (1988, 1991, 1992, 1996, 1998)
• 6x NBA Finals MVP (1991-1993, 1996-1998)
• 1x NBA Defensive Player of the Year (1988)
• 10x All-NBA First Team Selection (1987-1993, 1996-1998)
• 1x All-NBA Second Team Selection (1985)
• 9x NBA All-Defensive First Team Selection (1988-1993, 1996-1998)
• 1985 NBA Rookie of the Year
• 1985 NBA All-Rookie Team
• 14x NBA All-Star (1985-1993, 1996-1998, 2002-2003)
• 3x NBA All-Star Game MVP (1988, 1996, 1998)
• 2x NBA Slam Dunk Contest winner (1987, 1988)

 

[Omega Wizard]

Untill Kobe accomplishes all these or comes close, he's not even close with Michael Jordan.

• 6x NBA Champion (1991, 1992, 1993, 1996, 1997 1998)
• 5x NBA MVP (1988, 1991, 1992, 1996, 1998)
• 6x NBA Finals MVP (1991-1993, 1996-1998)
• 1x NBA Defensive Player of the Year (1988)
• 10x All-NBA First Team Selection (1987-1993, 1996-1998)
• 1x All-NBA Second Team Selection (1985)
• 9x NBA All-Defensive First Team Selection (1988-1993, 1996-1998)
• 1985 NBA Rookie of the Year
• 1985 NBA All-Rookie Team
• 14x NBA All-Star (1985-1993, 1996-1998, 2002-2003)
• 3x NBA All-Star Game MVP (1988, 1996, 1998)
• 2x NBA Slam Dunk Contest winner (1987, 1988)

How can Kobe win the 85 rookie of the year? lol

 

[Mister J]

I like what Bill Simmons had to say on the matter in his chat today:

It's such an absurd argument that it's not even worth writing about. Kobe has shown flashes of MJ-dom, and he definitely dipped into those waters in the playoffs, but Jordan played at that level for 10 solid years, and he was doing it during an era when players got pounded and they didn't have the hand-check rules. I have written this before but I honestly believe that, if the MJ from '87 to '93 played with the rules in place from '05 to '08, he would have averaged 45 a game.

 

[LegendaryCaleb]

great post NewYorkSpider and Mister J
MJ is the greatest there ever was IMO
Kobe is excellent and one of the best...but certainly not on MJ's level

 

[Raiden]

I'm a Kobe fan, but until he won the title by himself, I don't think he's up to MJ's standard yet. However, MJ was 28 when he won his first title, and Kobe's 29 this year. I think if Kobe start leading this Lakers team to not just one, but several titles later, this comparison will become more valid.

 

[Cmill216]

Thanks for the Bill Simmons ish, J. The man is on point.

Regarding Wade, his finals performance in '06 was the closest I've seen to pure Jordan-esque since #23 retired. I'd go as far as to say Wade's performance in that Finals exceeded anything Jordan did in a particular Finals series. He was that good.

BUT, he's still not in any type of conversation regarding Mike. People must have short ****in' memories, or aren't even aware of what Jordan did during his time. 'Tis a shame.