L.A. prisons to use military heat ray to keep unruly inmates in line

then don't go to prison
Not all people who go to prison are guilty. If you can't afford a good lawyer you can go to jail because you can't properly defend yourself.

Some prisoners deserve to be treated harshly but not all of them.
 
In a perfect world, only the *****e bags that rape other inmates and throw poo would get the heat ray, but it's entirely possible that the scum will get the superman treatment along with the guys that probably shouldn't be there. (But then again, if I was in prison for something I didn't do, I'd throw poo too.) Of course, the majority of people in prison, are there because they should be in prison.
 
that Craigs List Killer guy just hung himself in prison....probably because he was getting uninvited buttsecks
 
There's a thin line between cooking someone to control the unruly and cooking someone to punish the unruly.

If you had one of these heaters installed in every cell and everytime an inmate refused to listen instead of a cell extraction you made them painfully hot, that would be very much like torture.

But that is not the case. Please dont use examples that arent accurate to explain why this is or is not torture.

then don't go to prison

:cwink: Well this is the easy answer of course.

If all correctional officers were on the up and up I think more people would be understanding of the device. The problem is it's well known that a lot of correctional officers are NOT on the up and up, the simple fact that there's such wide spread drug usage in prisons prove that. It's not a stretch to think that one of two of those guys will use the device just for the hell of it.

I agree and know firsthand that not all COs are on "the up and up" as you say. I even mentioned that in my post and I likely know moreso than anyone on this forum because of my job. People are people, some are good and some are dirty. Some will follow policy and some wont. Its as simple as that.

HOWEVER, that doesnt all of a sudden mean that this device is a torture device or shouldnt be considered/tested as a POSSIBLE compliance device for unruly prisoners or during a riot or other incident.
 
Not all people who go to prison are guilty. If you can't afford a good lawyer you can go to jail because you can't properly defend yourself.

Some prisoners deserve to be treated harshly but not all of them.

There is SOME truth to this post.
 
Not all people who go to prison are guilty. If you can't afford a good lawyer you can go to jail because you can't properly defend yourself.

Some prisoners deserve to be treated harshly but not all of them.
then don't misbehave.
Just listen and follow what the nice officers say to you.
 
Dogs don't rob, rape and murder people... and they pay their taxes.
 
do you ask them nicely to stop misbehaving?? see, here's the thing all these ACLU and bleeding heart types don't get

the true animals in prison were raised in environments where you don't stop doing something unless someone forces you to....in short, all they understand is a fist or a gun
 
Even if someone misbehaves you don't cook them alive. It's an abuse of power.

Once again, you are describing something in an extreme light in order to attempt to prove your point.

Cut and paste from the article below to offset your "cook them alive" comment:

The sheriff unveiled the device last week and said it would be installed in the dorm of a jail in north Los Angeles County. It is far less powerful than the military version and has various safeguards in place, including a three-second limit to each beam of heat.

The natural response when blasted — to leap out the way — would be helpful in bringing difficult inmates under control and quelling riots, the sheriff said.

But the sheriff was creating a dangerous environment with "a weapon that can cause serious injury that is being put into a place where there is a long history of abuse of prisoners," ACLU attorney Peter Eliasberg said. "That is a toxic combination."

Cmdr. Bob Osborne, who oversees technology for the sheriff's department, said the concerns were unfounded. He said he stood in front of the beam more than 50 times and that it never caused any sort of lasting damage.

"The neat thing with this device is you experience pain but you are not injured by it," Osborne said. "It doesn't injure your skin, the beam doesn't have the power to do that."

He said the device would be a more humane way of dealing with jail disturbances. Unlike hitting inmates with batons or deploying tear gas, a shot from the beam has no aftereffects, he said.
 
You're making someone so painfully hot they submit.

I'm pretty sure cooking someone untill their obedient is punishment and therefore torture.

and tasers, mace, and batons have been used to teach people a lesson or punishment since their introduction to the police force. No need to add a device that makes people feel like they're in the third circle of hell.
Did you read the whole article?

Here are some points you may want to reread.
The sheriff unveiled the device last week and said it would be installed in the dorm of a jail in north Los Angeles County. It is far less powerful than the military version and has various safeguards in place, including a three-second limit to each beam of heat.
Cmdr. Bob Osborne, who oversees technology for the sheriff's department, said the concerns were unfounded. He said he stood in front of the beam more than 50 times and that it never caused any sort of lasting damage.


"The neat thing with this device is you experience pain but you are not injured by it," Osborne said. "It doesn't injure your skin, the beam doesn't have the power to do that."
A Raytheon spokesman on Thursday referred questions to the sheriff's department, but provided a fact sheet describing how the device only penetrates skin to a depth 1/64 of an inch. The military's version of the device can shoot a beam more than 800 feet but the sheriff's department model has a maximum range of 85 feet.


Also, I don't see anyone throwing a fit of the military version of this device, which is far more powerful.
 
Did you read the whole article?




Also, I don't see anyone throwing a fit of the military version of this device, which is far more powerful.

I see we had the same response to his dramatic, not well thought out response. :cwink:
 
I didn't miss anything.

Just because something doesn't leave lasting damage doesn't mean it's automatically humane.

Look at Abu Ghraib.
 
Maybe they should just throw cotton balls at em.
 
Or popcorn. I've seen this method subdue a rhino attacking a Canyonero.
 
I didn't miss anything.

Just because something doesn't leave lasting damage doesn't mean it's automatically humane.

Look at Abu Ghraib.

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Also, I don't see anyone throwing a fit of the military version of this device, which is far more powerful.
But the military typically kills tens of thousands of people so the heat ray is a far more humane alternative by comparison.
 
I didn't miss anything.

Just because something doesn't leave lasting damage doesn't mean it's automatically humane.

Look at Abu Ghraib.

then what the **** do you suggest....you tell me how you subdue a 6'5, 230 lb White Supremacist lifelong inmate who wants nothing more than to tear your head off and **** down your neck??

you gonna reason with him....maybe offer him a vegan cupcake??
 
I agree and know firsthand that not all COs are on "the up and up" as you say. I even mentioned that in my post and I likely know moreso than anyone on this forum because of my job. People are people, some are good and some are dirty. Some will follow policy and some wont. Its as simple as that.

HOWEVER, that doesnt all of a sudden mean that this device is a torture device or shouldnt be considered/tested as a POSSIBLE compliance device for unruly prisoners or during a riot or other incident.

I'm not saying it's a torture device, i'm just saying it's easy to see how it can be used as one and that it very likely will be used that way sometimes.
 
But the military typically kills tens of thousands of people so the heat ray is a far more humane alternative by comparison.

And the police typically have to calm riots using blunt force trauma so the heat ray is far more humane by comparison.
 
then what the **** do you suggest....you tell me how you subdue a 6'5, 230 lb White Supremacist lifelong inmate who wants nothing more than to tear your head off and **** down your neck??

you gonna reason with him....maybe offer him a vegan cupcake??
Did we offer them vegan cupcakes before heat rays were invented?
 
no, they were beat with batons and sprayed with mace....both of which are methods that can cause extreme physical or permanent damage

if something can be developed that is not as severe as a metal baton, Id support it
 
I'm not saying it's a torture device, i'm just saying it's easy to see how it can be used as one and that it very likely will be used that way sometimes.

Understood.

Did we offer them vegan cupcakes before heat rays were invented?

No, batons and other tools were used to gain compliance, which typically cause REAL injuries such as broken bones, concussions, etc. WHICH IS ONE REASON THIS METHOD IS MORE HUMANE.
 

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