Low Fast Food Wages Cost Taxpayers $7 Billion per Year

[chaseter]

You are wrong about who takes these fast food jobs these days, read my previous post

I know that's much more prevalent but the majority are not college graduates or former higher level managers from busted companies. It is more prevalent but it's not the dominant work force in the service industry.

 

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

I know that's much more prevalent but the majority are not college graduates or former higher level managers from busted companies. It is more prevalent but it's not the dominant work force in the service industry.

You would be surprised, back in the day if you had a degree they would tell you that your over-qualified. These days they gladly welcome all the young people that can't get hired in their respective fields

 

[Teelie]

So there are more higher educated professionals flipping burgers than teenagers or high school or less educated individuals?

Am I wrong about my statements of class comparisons? Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Actually you are wrong... you keep saying that only or mainly the only ones who are working McDonalds are single mothers with 3 kids or are too poor and stupid to know anything better.

The people who work at McDonald's and other chains are there because there is no alternative. It doesn't matter what their education level is or what their class status was since I assume if they work at McDonald's, it's poor.

 

[warhorse78]

Double the wages at McDonalds and the food will cost 2x more which will decrease their sales which will cause layoffs. The min wage does need to be increased and decreased in relation to inflation in my opinion.

BUT...a mom of 3 isn't going to get anywhere working as a cashier at McDonald's. Of course that isn't a liveable wage for them. It is a liveable wage for a college student who has 3 roommates. I would say a good chunk of these people are people that have unfortunately made bad life choices like having kids if your only job is a cashier at McDonald's. It should come as no surprise that person needs outside assistance. There are of course people that have fallen on hard times and just trying to make ends meet and I truly feel for those people. That may sound callous but it's the truth. Not everyone can succeed per natural law but there is a reason why the lesser educated poor smoke, play the lottery, and have more kids than someone who has vastly more amounts of money. It's a sad, vicious cycle that keeps going and going until one is able to escape.

Also, we now live in a corporate state so the wealthy get wealthier and the poor get poorer. No more mom and pop shops...it's all corporations now.

I don't know about that. I see it all the time where people who come from money, and are well educated, trade the smokes for cigars and hard core drugs, and then trade the lottery for hard core Las Vegas style gambling or risky business venues, and probably have like 5 or 6 kids on the side, sometimes they are taken care of, sometimes they are not.

I do agree with the corporate state. Big business is going to be the down fall of civilization I fear.

 

[I'm Old Greg]

I hate when people dis people who work jobs that are lower than there standards.

A jobs a Job.
All of these disgusting fast food chains should pay there workers a better wage.

I give respect to people who work there ass off at there job.

Just because they work at Mcdonalds does not mean they deserve to work like a slave for no money.

We live in a time when anyone works for these evil corporate jobs because theirs no qualified job to go to. So i dont want to hear someone dising anyone for the work they have to go to. The US gives a F about its people. Its all disgusting.

When is everyone going to realize the reason they have all the money is from doing God awful things to people?? They dont care if people cant afford to live there lives or give there kids a good upbringing. They see people as slaves.

Ill never give my money to fast food chains that do that to there employers and poison the public with foods that cause cancer and carry plastic in it.

Its all disgusting, peoples mentalities need to change in the US. Its soo Ugly and Gross.

 

[Figs]

I hate when people dis people who work jobs that are lower than there standards.

A jobs a Job.
All of these disgusting fast food chains should pay there workers a better wage.

I give respect to people who work there ass off at there job.

Just because they work at Mcdonalds does not mean they deserve to work like a slave for no money.

We live in a time when anyone works for these evil corporate jobs because theirs no qualified job to go to. So i dont want to hear someone dising anyone for the work they have to go to. The US gives a F about its people. Its all disgusting.

When is everyone going to realize the reason they have all the money is from doing God awful things to people?? They dont care if people cant afford to live there lives or give there kids a good upbringing. They see people as slaves.

Ill never give my money to fast food chains that do that to there employers and poison the public with foods that cause cancer and carry plastic in it.

Its all disgusting, peoples mentalities need to change in the US. Its soo Ugly and Gross.

I agree that the American people are being screwed over by the corporations and although some people still don't believe this, the middle class is and most likely will go down.

When it comes to the people working fast food and wanting something ridiculous like $15 an hour, I can't agree with that at all. In the case of McDonalds workers, they don't even flip burgers, they throw them in a microwave. That and punching buttons on a register and now days all the registers tell you how much change to give back, they don't even have to think or do basic math anymore. Sorry, that's a low level job and they shouldn't be paid $15 an hour. I think they should get some kind of raise or better benefits, but if they were to raise their pay to 15, then all the people working office jobs better get a fat raise as well.

It's all part of the work ladder and pay should be based on experience and your skill set. Next thing you know people in a number of years working lower jobs will be demanding to get paid as much as a laborer/union worker.

 

[I'm Old Greg]

What the Public doesn't realize is that when huge Corperations are paying there workers minimum wage and the public is paying welfare taxes, these huge Corperations that should be paying a better wage to there employers see it as why should we?" We are rich everyone else is a slave, let them pay the remanding amount and the jokes on them cause were feeding them garbage poisoned food.

Its purevil. The 1 percent stepping on all your backs till youre all dead in the ground.
Everything in the States needs to change.

 

[I'm Old Greg]

I agree that the American people are being screwed over by the corporations and although some people still don't believe this, the middle class is and most likely will go down.

When it comes to the people working fast food and wanting something ridiculous like $15 an hour, I can't agree with that at all. In the case of McDonalds workers, they don't even flip burgers, they throw them in a microwave. That and punching buttons on a register and now days all the registers tell you how much change to give back, they don't even have to think or do basic math anymore. Sorry, that's a low level job and they shouldn't be paid $15 an hour. I think they should get some kind of raise or better benefits, but if they were to raise their pay to 15, then all the people working office jobs better get a fat raise as well.

It's all part of the work ladder and pay should be based on experience and your skill set. Next thing you know people in a number of years working lower jobs will be demanding to get paid as much as a laborer/union worker.

Maybe that day will come when you slide right down that lader. Dealin with DBags all day schlepin food all day and cleaning kitchens.

But thats fine for you to keep continuing paying those taxes that Mcdonalds should be paying the remanding wage amount instead of Us.

 

[Figs]

What the Public doesn't realize is that when huge Corperations are paying there workers minimum wage and the public is paying welfare taxes, these huge Corperations that should be paying a better wage to there employers see it as why should we?" We are rich everyone else is a slave, let them pay the remanding amount and the jokes on them cause were feeding them garbage poisoned food.

Its purevil. The 1 percent stepping on all your backs till youre all dead in the ground.
Everything in the States needs to change.

I completely agree with you on this!

Maybe that day will come when you slide right down that lader. Dealin with DBags all day schlepin food all day and cleaning kitchens.

But thats fine for you to keep continuing paying those taxes that Mcdonalds should be paying the remanding wage amount instead of Us.

Nope. I put my time in fast food when I was in high school. I have office experience in three different fields so I don't have any worries about ever dropping down the work ladder.

It sucks for everyone who has jobs to pay taxes that goes toward other people, but sadly that won't change with how greedy the corporations are. I would rather pay taxes for people making minimum wage but are still having trouble paying rent/mortgage than people on welfare.

So I don't get jumped on for this, I do know that not Everyone on welfare is milking the system. With how the job market is out there I'm sure a good number of people on welfare are still trying to find work. Sadly, the majority of stories I've heard or people on welfare that I've met over the years are milking the system. Keep pumping out kids to receive more money and as much as I hate how much control the government has over the people and I'm all for freedom, I definitely lean towards the side that believes people on welfare should be drug tested. At least make a time limit, if you've been on welfare for X amount of years. I know plenty of people on welfare that are blowing money on booze, pot and cigarettes. It infuriates me that I'm working my ass off to help bums who are kicking back doing jack ****.

As for the people working fast food, it's not hard to apply to better paying jobs. After the pizza shop I worked in when I was in high school, I worked at Home Depot which of course paid more, after that is when I got into office jobs that tend to pay a lot more. It's all about building a resume and it doesn't have to be extreme jobs, it comes down to how long you've been able to hold that job without being fired or quitting irresponsibly by not putting in your two weeks. I went from a place like Home Depot to an office job, I didn't need college or previous office work.

What I'm saying is, it's possible for these people to move up in the work force, they just need to start applying to different places that are a step up from a high school job like McDonalds. I know that it might not be easy to get work right now, but some of these people I imagine are older and have been working some of those fast food jobs for many years but didn't have the motivation to move up before the job market took a dump. A lot of people are guilty of getting lazy when they're stuck in a rut, I've been guilty of this in the past, but not when it came to jobs and my future, with me it's mainly been dealing with roommates and not trying to push myself to get another place.

Also, when you typed this, "Dealin with DBags all day schlepin food all day and cleaning kitchens." Office work has just as many annoying and bad things to deal with as well. I would go so far as to say that you tend to have to deal with even more Dbags due to office politics and arrogant managers.

 

[chaseter]

Actually you are wrong... you keep saying that only or mainly the only ones who are working McDonalds are single mothers with 3 kids or are too poor and stupid to know anything better.

The people who work at McDonald's and other chains are there because there is no alternative. It doesn't matter what their education level is or what their class status was since I assume if they work at McDonald's, it's poor.

Well lets see...

Lottery
http://www.businessinsider.com/how-rich-people-and-poor-people-play-the-lottery-2012-3
Smoking
http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/03/21/american-smokers-and-income-charted/?_r=0
Out of wedlock births
http://www.usnews.com/news/newsgram...reau-links-poverty-with-out-of-wedlock-births
Birth rate
http://www.statista.com/statistics/241530/birth-rate-by-family-income-in-the-us/
Education
http://taxfoundation.org/blog/chart-day-income-levels-vs-education-levels

But how can all that above come together to make sense you ask!?
http://www.theatlantic.com/business...fast-food-workers-are-raising-a-child/278424/

What? Over 60% of fast food workers are under 24?

WUT? Over 60% have high school degrees or less? 90% have no college degree or less? Nearly 40% have a child?


I never said it was mainly a mother of 3 (yet that accounts for about 20%, 40% if you say dad or mom)...I was just using that as an example. Do you want me to list them all out? High school dropout that lives with his parents, college kid with a part time job to pay for books, 50 something divorced dad whose kids hate his guts...make them up I don't care. Some people have no choice that is correct, some people do. Your opportunities decrease the more you are put into the categories I listed above. Fast food employees are low income employees and low income employees fit all those categories I listed above. Do you still want to tell my I am wrong?

 

[Donnie Darko]

It's not working at McDonald's but it's the same thing. Living off welfare like it's a lifestyle. She wants to be in this situation, only getting more money from the government to do so.

There are very few people who actually think this is a situation to be in that's good. Most people in it don't want to be and would willingly be working a job that was paying better, if it existed.

Although it has occured to me, how many of you regularly eat at a fast food place?

I know not everyone in this situation wants to be in the situation, but if you read my entire post, my dumbass relative obviously does "want" to live like that, or else she would have gotten a job at some point in her life or stopped having kids when she was already on foodstamps and other assistance.

There are thousands (maybe millions) of hardworking people in the US on government welfare programs, but it's the select few that make them all look bad.

Oh well, if they start paying fast food employees $15 an hour, I may be getting me a second job for nights and weekends whenever I want to afford kids.

 

[Teelie]

I could go on and pick apart your statistics. They are all in how you calculate them afterall. 80% of workers are not a parent for instance, 60% if you include males. The inclusion of 16 year olds, most of whom are still in high school also slants the percentages.

There's plenty more I could do but you're so firmly sure of yourself you won't listen, and of course completely ignored that it's literally better to live off welfare than work in many states because minimum wage is so pathetic but again, you'll just find a way to twist that into some twisted justification of these people are too poor, stupid and ignorant to be worth paying more. And let's not forget the cost of going to college in the United States is so expensive you will be paying off the debt for decades. Or your entire life if you go to a higher-ranked school, making that a losing proposition as well.

 

[chaseter]

Go ahead and pick them apart and while you are at it...contradict where I said the majority are single moms.

 

[Teelie]

To what end? There won't be a change of opinion here. There is more to it than a bunch of carefully selected statistics and rankings and nothing I show to counter it will make a difference. It will go nowhere.

 

[chaseter]

That's what I thought.

 

[Teelie]

Here's your "I win!" post. So you won, congratulate yourself and carry on stroking that ego.

 

[Warhammer]

I don't see Papa John's up there. I guess that means people think it tastes like s***.

 

[I'm Old Greg]

I completely agree with you on this!



Nope. I put my time in fast food when I was in high school. I have office experience in three different fields so I don't have any worries about ever dropping down the work ladder.

It sucks for everyone who has jobs to pay taxes that goes toward other people, but sadly that won't change with how greedy the corporations are. I would rather pay taxes for people making minimum wage but are still having trouble paying rent/mortgage than people on welfare.

So I don't get jumped on for this, I do know that not Everyone on welfare is milking the system. With how the job market is out there I'm sure a good number of people on welfare are still trying to find work. Sadly, the majority of stories I've heard or people on welfare that I've met over the years are milking the system. Keep pumping out kids to receive more money and as much as I hate how much control the government has over the people and I'm all for freedom, I definitely lean towards the side that believes people on welfare should be drug tested. At least make a time limit, if you've been on welfare for X amount of years. I know plenty of people on welfare that are blowing money on booze, pot and cigarettes. It infuriates me that I'm working my ass off to help bums who are kicking back doing jack ****.

As for the people working fast food, it's not hard to apply to better paying jobs. After the pizza shop I worked in when I was in high school, I worked at Home Depot which of course paid more, after that is when I got into office jobs that tend to pay a lot more. It's all about building a resume and it doesn't have to be extreme jobs, it comes down to how long you've been able to hold that job without being fired or quitting irresponsibly by not putting in your two weeks. I went from a place like Home Depot to an office job, I didn't need college or previous office work.

What I'm saying is, it's possible for these people to move up in the work force, they just need to start applying to different places that are a step up from a high school job like McDonalds. I know that it might not be easy to get work right now, but some of these people I imagine are older and have been working some of those fast food jobs for many years but didn't have the motivation to move up before the job market took a dump. A lot of people are guilty of getting lazy when they're stuck in a rut, I've been guilty of this in the past, but not when it came to jobs and my future, with me it's mainly been dealing with roommates and not trying to push myself to get another place.

Also, when you typed this, "Dealin with DBags all day schlepin food all day and cleaning kitchens." Office work has just as many annoying and bad things to deal with as well. I would go so far as to say that you tend to have to deal with even more Dbags due to office politics and arrogant managers.

Not everyone who works in the food industry or at jobs like wallmart or whatever are mentaly capable of work outside that, which doesn't mean the work they do isn't as strenuous or demanding as work in an office obviously since you agreed on that. So why not a better payrate for hardworking people working for billion dollar corperations like mcdonalds?

In the US they teach people to hate those on welfare and struggling instead focusing on billion dollar companies hoarding all the money for themselves denying equal paying jobs. the corperations get away with it by fueling anger towards one another in the US.

Hey people are to dumb to see it, while we fuel theyre hatred towards one another through the media, let them be blinded by it while we steal billions from the sheeple.

And never say never, my Buddys father in NY worked for his company for decades and was the top salesman for many long years with numerous awards and was forced into retirement because of his payrate, they fired everyone and replaced them with family members in the company who were younger unexperienced and eventually caused the company to fold and to sell half there ownership out of stupidity. They wanted to keep hoarding that same amount of money even though they were still ahead but the greed ended them. Afrer wining his pension he never looked back at anyone there.

They don't care about you in the US always seems to be a fight for your money no matter who you are in the end. I have buddys who had to leave there jobs through forced retirement bullcrap when they were the best at there jobs. Its all about whos on top and wants that money for themselves. Theirs no equality in the states and from your post you stand by that looking down on hard working people because of the jobs they have compared to your own.
Thats the American way right? Blind hatred. Art of misperception while people are getting away with youre money. Congratulations look at the US now. Looks fantastic. What a Bad Joke.

 

[Figs]

Not everyone who works in the food industry or at jobs like wallmart or whatever are mentaly capable of work outside that, which doesn't mean the work they do isn't as strenuous or demanding as work in an office obviously since you agreed on that. So why not a better payrate for hardworking people working for billion dollar corperations like mcdonalds?

In the US they teach people to hate those on welfare and struggling instead focusing on billion dollar companies hoarding all the money for themselves denying equal paying jobs. the corperations get away with it by fueling anger towards one another US.

Hey people are to dumb to see it, while we fuel theyre hatred towards one another through the media, let them be blinded by hate while we steal billions from the sheeple.

And never say never, my Buddys father in NY worked for his company for decades and was the top salesman for many long years witg many awards and was forced into retirement because of his payrate, they fired everyone and replaced them with family members in the company who were younger unexperienced and eventually caused the company fold and to sell half there ownership out of stupidity. They wanted to keep hoarding that same amount of money even though they were still ahead but the greed ended them. Afrer wining his pension he never looked back at anyone there.

They don't care about you in the US always seems to be a fight for your money no matter who you are in the end. I have buddys who had to leave there jobs through forced retirement bullcrap when they were the best at there jobs. Its all about whos on top and wants that money for themselves. Theirs no equality here and from your post you stand by that looking down on hard working people because of the jobs they have, thats the American way right? Blind hatred. Art of misperception while people ate getting away with youre money. Congratulations look at the US now. Looks fantastic. What a Bad Joke.

You're way off in that you think I actually look down on people who work jobs like fast food. In one of my previous posts I mentioned that I don't mind some of my taxes going to those workers that also need government aid because the corporations( and I fully agree with you on this)are greedy as all hell.

As for people on welfare, I also already mentioned that I do realize that some people are trying to find work and can't right now, and they are the ones that I don't have a problem with so long as they're trying. It's the numerous people on welfare that aren't bothering to look for work and weren't looking before the job market went to crap that I don't like. People who want to milk the system and have everyone else pay their way in life.

As for the better pay for people working fast food jobs, I'm not fully against that, it's the extreme amount of $15 that I'm against due to the fact that it's beyond ridiculous. I don't think there has ever been a minimum wage hike by that amount. From roughly $9 to $15, jesus christ! As I've said to my friends, if they get their way and get paid a whopping $15 an hour, then people in higher jobs like office workers should then get more pay. People who disagree on that I won't take seriously. A job that is higher in the work ladder(and I know I've said this before so sorry if it's annoying to re-read it) should be getting higher pay. If someone wants to disagree with that then I guess we should just say F it and pay fast food workers the same pay as laborers in the union while we're at it.

Also, as usual when minimum wage goes up, so does the cost of living. If McDonald's has to pay all their employees $15 an hour...say good bye to their dollar menu lol.

 

[I'm Old Greg]

You're way off in that you think I actually look down on people who work jobs like fast food. In one of my previous posts I mentioned that I don't mind some of my taxes going to those workers that also need government aid because the corporations( and I fully agree with you on this)are greedy as all hell.

As for people on welfare, I also already mentioned that I do realize that some people are trying to find work and can't right now, and they are the ones that I don't have a problem with so long as they're trying. It's the numerous people on welfare that aren't bothering to look for work and weren't looking before the job market went to crap that I don't like. People who want to milk the system and have everyone else pay their way in life.

As for the better pay for people working fast food jobs, I'm not fully against that, it's the extreme amount of $15 that I'm against due to the fact that it's beyond ridiculous. I don't think there has ever been a minimum wage hike by that amount. From roughly $9 to $15, jesus christ! As I've said to my friends, if they get their way and get paid a whopping $15 an hour, then people in higher jobs like office workers should then get more pay. People who disagree on that I won't take seriously. A job that is higher in the work ladder(and I know I've said this before so sorry if it's annoying to re-read it) should be getting higher pay. If someone wants to disagree with that then I guess we should just say F it and pay fast food workers the same pay as laborers in the union while we're at it.

Also, as usual when minimum wage goes up, so does the cost of living. If McDonald's has to pay all their employees $15 an hour...say good bye to their dollar menu lol.

Say goodbye to the dollar menu? People should say Goodbye to Mcdonalds, the food is poison.

http://www.endalldisease.com/mcdona...ts-include-putty-and-cosmetic-petrochemicals/

 

[Figs]

Say goodbye to the dollar menu? People should say Goodbye to Mcdonalds, the food is poison.

http://www.endalldisease.com/mcdona...ts-include-putty-and-cosmetic-petrochemicals/

I definitely agree with you on that! Same with most other fast food places.

 

[chaseter]

Here's your "I win!" post. So you won, congratulate yourself and carry on stroking that ego.

I feel like we could make sweet love.

 

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

Labor advocates are promoting a shocking (edited) recording of a phone call between a longtime McDonald's worker and the company's 1-866 McResource Line, in which an operator advises the worker to bolster her $8.25-an-hour wages by signing up for food stamps and Medicaid. Good for McDonald's! Why should they keep pretending that our economy isn't completely ruined?

Employment is a scam. Millions of jobs no longer come close to paying enough money for people to live on, let alone enough money for people to keep living on after their usefulness has been exhausted and they have to stop working. McDonald's believes that in an economy where labor no longer can meet basic human needs, it is the government's responsibility to support its citizens.

It's the opposite of Bill Clinton and Newt Gingrich's cynical pieties about pushing people off welfare and onto work: One of America's most famous and successful corporations says it's time to push the workers onto welfare. Capitalism is too dumb and broken to provide.

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[warhorse78]

Capitalism is not dumb or broken, it's just the majority are too greedy and heartless to give a damn about the people that work for them.

 

[Hal_Jordan]

Capitalism is not dumb or broken, it's just the majority are too greedy and heartless to give a damn about the people that work for them.

That sounds pretty dumb and broken to me.