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[Dr. Evil]

The Netflix shows should have gone the route of the DC Berlanti Verse on the CW: a completely separate entity from the movies. Unfortunately, Jeph Loeb messed all that up when he said it was all connected, making him look like a fool in the process. Those shows are so behind in regards to the events of the movies, that by the time the events of Infinity War heads their way, it will probably be after Spiderman: Far From Home has already been released.....on DVD

 

[ADollarADay]

Evidently they did. Everyone when asked if something like Luke Cage was renewed all say Netflix hasn't made a decision yet. So if it's their choice, then they did.

You shouldn't use the word "evidently" when it's anything but.

You thinking that Disney would sign such a deal directly contradicts your previous statement that, "Disney may not be stupid, by neither is Netflix." because that would be a stupid deal for Disney to sign.

Disney could not, in 2013 when the deal was done with Netflix, sign Wilson Fisk, i.e. Kingpin, away exclusively to anyone. Sony had, at that time, rights to the character as well.

Netflix not making a decision on Luke Cage does not mean Luke Cage is exclusive to Netflix as long as Netflix wants. I don't see why that's hard to understand.

I don't know what the contract says. Even though I highly doubt it, Disney may have signed a 90s style contract like you think they did. I find it highly likely the contract has an expiration date and the characters are not exclusive to Netflix. If we could take a look at the contract I would be willing to bet in the 5 or 6 figures that would be the case. You are acting with certainty that you know what is in the contract and the terms that were signed. And you think the terms state that Disney signed the live action rights to a few of their character in de facto perpetuity when they haven't done anything that dumb since Oswald the lucky rabbit - and even that was a different situation altogether.

 

[DalekbusterFitz]

If this is true, Karen Gillan as Nebula surely has to be a prime candidate for her own series. There's so much yet to explore with that character, and Karen Gillan wouldn't be ridiculously expensive to hire for a six-eight episode miniseries.

 

[Spider-Fan]

You shouldn't use the word "evidently" when it's anything but.

You thinking that Disney would sign such a deal directly contradicts your previous statement that, "Disney may not be stupid, by neither is Netflix." because that would be a stupid deal for Disney to sign.

Disney could not, in 2013 when the deal was done with Netflix, sign Wilson Fisk, i.e. Kingpin, away exclusively to anyone. Sony had, at that time, rights to the character as well.

Netflix not making a decision on Luke Cage does not mean Luke Cage is exclusive to Netflix as long as Netflix wants. I don't see why that's hard to understand.

I don't know what the contract says. Even though I highly doubt it, Disney may have signed a 90s style contract like you think they did. I find it highly likely the contract has an expiration date and the characters are not exclusive to Netflix. If we could take a look at the contract I would be willing to bet in the 5 or 6 figures that would be the case. You are acting with certainty that you know what is in the contract and the terms that were signed. And you think the terms state that Disney signed the live action rights to a few of their character in de facto perpetuity when they haven't done anything that dumb since Oswald the lucky rabbit - and even that was a different situation altogether.

Here is the thing: I am going off actual statements made by people who work for Marvel TV and Netflix. You're just speculating. I trust my research more. Until it is proven to me otherwise by someone who knows something, the arrangement appears to be the shows stay at Netflix until they cancel them.

 

[Dr. Evil]

Luke Cage and Iron Fist aren't even guaranteed a 3rd season and I would not be surprised if Netflix cancels both shows.

 

[Incrediblejeff]

Give me Howard the Duck or give me death.

 

[Zant]

Cool idea..will certainly watch....Still feels like a demotion for some characters. At least its not Marvel TV, ABC- Netflix level demotion...

This mini series stuff would have been perfect for Black Widow but its too late now......Or is it?

 

[Spider-Fan]

Cool idea..will certainly watch....Still feels like a demotion for some characters. At least its not Marvel TV, ABC- Netflix level demotion...

This mini series stuff would have been perfect for Black Widow but its too late now......Or is it?

Yes it is. Especially since GotG3 got delayed.

 

[ADollarADay]

Here is the thing: I am going off actual statements made by people who work for Marvel TV and Netflix. You're just speculating. I trust my research more. Until it is proven to me otherwise by someone who knows something, the arrangement appears to be the shows stay at Netflix until they cancel them.

Here's the thing, unless you read the contract (you haven't) then you are also speculating. Your research consists of some websites saying, "The shows will stay on Netflix for the foreseeable future" and "Netflix hasn't picked up X show for Y season". It's an extremely limited and flawed research that you're trying to pass off as fact. Furthermore nothing you have said or read online has said the IPs and characters on Netflix are exclusive to the platform. The shows, maybe. The characters? No. I'll paypal you $50 if you post something here in the next hour from a reliable source, i.e. not an opinion piece and from a credible publication, that says that it is.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Here's the thing, unless you read the contract (you haven't) then you are also speculating. Your research consists of some websites saying, "The shows will stay on Netflix for the foreseeable future" and "Netflix hasn't picked up X show for Y season". It's an extremely limited and flawed research that you're trying to pass off as fact. Furthermore nothing you have said or read online has said the IPs and characters on Netflix are exclusive to the platform. The shows, maybe. The characters? No. I'll paypal you $50 if you post something here in the next hour from a reliable source, i.e. not an opinion piece and from a credible publication, that says that it is.

I never said the characters are exclusive to them. I said the shows about them are. Therefore, you cannot make a show called Daredevil: The Man Without Fear or a movie of that name until Netflix passes on the show they have a contract for. Otherwise Netflix will sue. They will win. Please read what I am saying next time. But could Daredevil appear in a show like Hawkeye? Probably yes he can.

Also, I am not basing this off articles. I am using direct quotes from people who work for the companies and on the shows when they're asked about them. Major difference. I take people who work on these shows at their word, yes. Because they get paid to work on them. I don't have to produce any bits of information. Look at the prior statement by Netflix's own President on the last page where he specifically says the shows are staying on there for a long time. Loeb has said the same thing. The Luke Cage writer has said Netflix has to decide on a 3rd season. All signs point to Netflix having all the cards on those shows at this point until they don't want them anymore. Again, until it is proven otherwise, I will take the people who make money off these shows at their word. What they say frankly means more to me than speculation that some how they're lying. All the evidence lines up that way. If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, then guess what? And by that same token, I can say produce me a contract that refutes what they're saying. I'll give you $100,000 on Paypal. I can play this game, too.

 

[samsnee]

I have no desire to drag out the Netflix shows any more. I think the first season of each DD, JJ, and Luke Cage were all strong but since then all have decreased in quality and it’s become obvious it’s harder and harder for the writers to try to connect to the bigger picture. It will be interesting if they address the Snapture, if at all.

 

[ADollarADay]

I never said the characters are exclusive to them. I said the shows about them are. Therefore, you cannot make a show called Daredevil: The Man Without Fear or a movie of that name until Netflix passes on the show they have a contract for. Otherwise Netflix will sue. They will win. Please read what I am saying next time. But could Daredevil appear in a show like Hawkeye? Probably yes he can.

You are saying the bold with such certainty. Prove it.

You are the one spouting things in here like you read the contract and is not speculating. You are the one trying to say what you are saying is gospel and known to be true.

You should take your own advice and read what others are saying. Also read what you are saying so you don't keep contradicting yourself.

Also, I am not basing this off articles. I am using direct quotes from people who work for the companies and on the shows when they're asked about them. Major difference. I take people who work on these shows at their word, yes. Because they get paid to work on them. I don't have to produce any bits of information. Look at the prior statement by Netflix's own President on the last page where he specifically says the shows are staying on there for a long time. Loeb has said the same thing. The Luke Cage writer has said Netflix has to decide on a 3rd season. All signs point to Netflix having all the cards on those shows at this point until they don't want them anymore. Again, until it is proven otherwise, I will take the people who make money off these shows at their word. What they say frankly means more to me than speculation that some how they're lying. All the evidence lines up that way. If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, then guess what? And by that same token, I can say produce me a contract that refutes what they're saying. I'll give you $100,000 on Paypal. I can play this game, too.

I've read all those quotes. None of them imply that Marvel can't use the characters in a live show somewhere. Or that the shows will forever be exclusive. You are reading what you want to be true.

Good thing you said "produce a contract" too because I could provide proof those shows are not currently exclusive to Netflix. But then again I doubt you'd pay up. Anyone who exaggerates on how much they would pay (100K dude? Really? I doubt you have that kind of cash, let alone have that kind of cash to burn) usually don't pay up when they lose.

 

[Spider-Fan]

You are saying the bold with such certainty. Prove it.

You are the one spouting things in here like you read the contract and is not speculating. You are the one trying to say what you are saying is gospel and known to be true.

You should take your own advice and read what others are saying. Also read what you are saying so you don't keep contradicting yourself.


I've read all those quotes. None of them imply that Marvel can't use the characters in a live show somewhere. Or that the shows will forever be exclusive. You are reading what you want to be true.

Good thing you said "produce a contract" too because I could provide proof those shows are not currently exclusive to Netflix. But then again I doubt you'd pay up. Anyone who exaggerates on how much they would pay (100K dude? Really? I doubt you have that kind of cash, let alone have that kind of cash to burn) usually don't pay up when they lose.

I love how you're like "I can produce one right now!" Then you proceed not to. That's called you have nothing and I see through it

Look, I am not going to belabor this conversation anymore. This is supposed to be a thread about the content going to the Disney service, and the Netflix shows are not that. So really, this is ultimately off-topic. I'm just going to say I've been very consistent with what I am saying. The shows are Netflix exclusives at least for 18 months (given the time frame of when blu rays release and when these come available on Amazon for digital download). Netflix are the ones ordering episodes from Marvel and Marvel is producing them. Everyone involved states these shows are Netflix's until they opt out. But the characters could appear in other things elsewhere that are not shows directly based on them (similar to Hulk in that capacity). But they cannot make their own Daredevil movie or show until Netflix opts out of their active show. I am basing my things on real tangible evidence. You're just offering me speculation based on how you hope it works. I trust what I read from people who work for these companies than random forumer on SHH. Sorry.

 

[ADollarADay]

I love how you're like "I can produce one right now!" Then you proceed not to. That's called you have nothing and I see through it

I said I can produce proof, not a contract. Will you pay me 100K if I produce proof right now that the Netflix shows are not exclusive to Netflix right now?

Look, I am not going to belabor this conversation anymore. This is supposed to be a thread about the content going to the Disney service, and the Netflix shows are not that. So really, this is ultimately off-topic. I'm just going to say I've been very consistent with what I am saying. The shows are Netflix exclusives at least for 18 months (given the time frame of when blu rays release and when these come available on Amazon for digital download). Netflix are the ones ordering episodes from Marvel and Marvel is producing them. Everyone involved states these shows are Netflix's until they opt out. But the characters could appear in other things elsewhere that are not shows directly based on them (similar to Hulk in that capacity). But they cannot make their own Daredevil movie or show until Netflix opts out of their active show. I am basing my things on real tangible evidence. You're just offering me speculation based on how you hope it works. I trust what I read from people who work for these companies than random forumer on SHH. Sorry.

I said this in this very thread lol. Thanks for taking my information. It's 12 months for DD and 18 months to Blu Ray btw.

Provide your evidence for the second bolded statement please. Your "real tangible evidence".

 

[Spider-Fan]

I said I can produce proof, not a contract. Will you pay me 100K if I produce proof right now that the Netflix shows are not exclusive to Netflix right now?

As for your proof, if you have proof of anything feel free to post it. Will I pay you? No. Not like you were going to pay me either, let's call a spade a spade. All you're doing is grandstanding. If you have something, then post it. Otherwise, I call your bluff. That or your evidence likely proves nothing. I am inclined to say you have nothing though and it is nothing more than grandstanding.

I said this in this very thread lol. Thanks for taking my information. It's 12 months for DD and 18 months to Blu Ray btw.

Provide your evidence for the second bolded statement please. Your "real tangible evidence".

Once again, I refer you to various interviews I have already stated from people who actually work for both companies. They're the only sources I need. As noted in prior posts, I am done with this conversation. We're spinning our wheels. When you get a job at Marvel, maybe I will take your word more than the people who actually work there now.

But again, done

 

[ADollarADay]

As for your proof, if you have proof of anything feel free to post it. Will I pay you? No. Not like you were going to pay me either, let's call a spade a spade. All you're doing is grandstanding. If you have something, then post it. Otherwise, I call your bluff. That or your evidence likely proves nothing. I am inclined to say you have nothing though and it is nothing more than grandstanding.

Oh but I would because unlike you I wasn't BSing with a 100K joke of a callout. I said $50, which I most definitely can and would pay up.

Dude the evidence is clear as day the shows are not exclusive to Netflix. Can I get Daredevil on itunes and watch it? Yes. Do I need to have Netflix to watch the Defenders? No. Will I be able to get The Punisher on Google Play come November? Yes. Can I get Jessica Jones S1 on Blu Ray right now? Yes. That means it's not exclusive to Netflix. You may want to be careful with your words and say "streaming" exclusive next time so you don't lose your money even though you'd never pay out as you admitted. You are all talk.

Once again, I refer you to various interviews I have already stated from people who actually work for both companies. They're the only sources I need. As noted in prior posts, I am done with this conversation. We're spinning our wheels. When you get a job at Marvel, maybe I will take your word more than the people who actually work there now.

But again, done

Post the proof or you're the one doing what you claim I'm doing. I'm calling your bluff, as you said to me.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Oh but I would because unlike you I wasn't BSing with a 100K joke of a callout. I said $50, which I most definitely can and would pay up.

Dude the evidence is clear as day the shows are not exclusive to Netflix. Can I get Daredevil on itunes and watch it? Yes. Do I need to have Netflix to watch the Defenders? No. Will I be able to get The Punisher on Google Play come November? Yes. Can I get Jessica Jones S1 on Blu Ray right now? Yes. That means it's not exclusive to Netflix. You may want to be careful with your words and say "streaming" exclusive next time so you don't lose your money even though you'd never pay out as you admitted. You are all talk.



Post the proof or you're the one doing what you claim I'm doing. I'm calling your bluff, as you said to me.

Cool story bro

Why don't we actually get back on topic. Again, I said I am moving on. And I am We've exhausted this topic.

 

[Mike Murdock]

I have no desire to drag out the Netflix shows any more. I think the first season of each DD, JJ, and Luke Cage were all strong but since then all have decreased in quality and it’s become obvious it’s harder and harder for the writers to try to connect to the bigger picture. It will be interesting if they address the Snapture, if at all.

See, I think the second season of Luke Cage was better than the first season.

Regarding the snap, I feel this is a discussion best made in May. It's not like they have to drag things out for two more years.

 

[Dark Raven]

A Scarlet Witch show will be cool to see. But I wish she had a movie instead of Black Widow. I don't find Black Widow all that interesting. Give her a TV show instead.

Will Vision be in the same show as Scarlet Witch?

And is the Loki show a prequel? Isn't he dead in Infinity War?

 

[Spider-Fan]

A Scarlet Witch show will be cool to see. But I wish she had a movie instead of Black Widow. I don't find Black Widow all that interesting. Give her a TV show instead.

Will Vision be in the same show as Scarlet Witch?

And is the Loki show a prequel? Isn't he dead in Infinity War?

I think the Loki answer is we haven't seen Avengers 4 yet, so maybe everything we saw in IW never happens, which would mean Loki is spared. We don't know. As for Vision, I would prefer the show just be about Wanda, but a Vision cameo or like a team-up episode with him I would welcome.

 

[Web-Head]

The Netflix shows should have gone the route of the DC Berlanti Verse on the CW: a completely separate entity from the movies. Unfortunately, Jeph Loeb messed all that up when he said it was all connected, making him look like a fool in the process. Those shows are so behind in regards to the events of the movies, that by the time the events of Infinity War heads their way, it will probably be after Spiderman: Far From Home has already been released.....on DVD

I agree. I think the shows did it as a way to attract fans and get them to watch with the hopes of maybe crossing over eventually but nope. Especially not now

 

[Dr. Evil]

I agree. I think the shows did it as a way to attract fans and get them to watch with the hopes of maybe crossing over eventually but nope. Especially not now

If those shows are still around by the time the X-Men and FF arrive, it's going to be a lot harder to connect their storylines with the storylines on Netflix.

The arrival of these shows on the Disney Streaming service doesn't help.

 

[CosmicSpider]

Definitely intriguing. So unexpected, I'm excited to see what direction they take these series and what opportunities it opens up for the future of the MCU.

 

[Tymminator]

This is exciting.

They won’t go this route, but if they do find a way to retro-fit X-Men in the MCU (have it where the villain Onslaught or someone/something made the public forget about their past exploits or whatever they come up with), I would use streaming for “past” X-Men stories with “original” X-Men and then use movies as a vehicle for the new members.

 

[Silvermoth]

You know, a nova tv series is a wonderful idea. I mean, if they can do the expanse why not?