Sequels Marvel Studios' Spider-Man

[LEVITIKUZ]

Before I begin people, while some may get ******** at the title let me say we have Marvel Studios related threads on the X-Men series:

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=484933

and the Fantastic Four:

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=484115

Which is why we are having one on Spider-Man. There is no reason why we can't and shouldn't. I mainly say that because the last revert the Spidey rights title, people got ******** and angry it got locked.

If Marvel Studios were to get Spider-Man's rights back, what were you like to see them do? Personally I want Ultimate Goblin.

 

[Angryfantasyfan]

After three versions of the Green Goblin in twelve years, I'd hope they'd give him a rest. I'd like to see a character like Cardiac as the main antagonist. We haven't seen Spidey deal with a vigilante in any of the films. It would give the film a different approach to the power and responsibility theme.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

Some things I would like to see:

1) No origin. It has been done and in SM1 done very well. Everybody has seen it and knows it. Reference it, but don't redo the whole story. He's already Spider-Man when the series starts.

2) Parker is in college or is a recent grad. He was only a high schooler for a tiny fraction of his history.

3) A proper 616 Green Goblin with a proper 616-esque costume.

4) I would redo the Gwen Stacy arc, since it was botched so badly in the ASM series. But make it more of a slow burn. Third film at the earliest. MJ would be introduced at least one film before Gwen dies.

5) Ditch the parents completely. Ben and May are his parents, with Norman as a surrogate father figure.

6) Peter is best friends with Harry from the beginning.

7) Peter already works at the Daily Bugle, and it and Jonah play a significant role in the series.

8) I would start off by not only doing things that Sony didn't, but also that they couldn't. If I was in charge, my first film would be a Spider-Man/Daredevil crossover with Kingpin as the main villain. Marvel would need to do something different to create some buzz, while not straying from who the characters are.

 

[UltimateWebhead]

Some things I would like to see:

1) No origin. It has been done and in SM1 done very well. Everybody has seen it and knows it. Reference it, but don't redo the whole story. He's already Spider-Man when the series starts.

2) Parker is in college or is a recent grad. He was only a high schooler for a tiny fraction of his history.

3) A proper 616 Green Goblin with a proper 616-esque costume.

4) I would redo the Gwen Stacy arc, since it was botched so badly in the ASM series. But make it more of a slow burn. Third film at the earliest. MJ would be introduced at least one film before Gwen dies.

5) Ditch the parents completely. Ben and May are his parents, with Norman as a surrogate father figure.

6) Peter is best friends with Harry from the beginning.

7) Peter already works at the Daily Bugle, and it and Jonah play a significant role in the series.

8) I would start off by not only doing things that Sony didn't, but also that they couldn't. If I was in charge, my first film would be a Spider-Man/Daredevil crossover with Kingpin as the main villain. Marvel would need to do something different to create some buzz, while not straying from who the characters are.

*hits Like button*

 

[UltimateWebhead]

I'd also add that they should introduce as many side-characters as they can early on and build on them throughout the films.

Not just the 'friendlies' i.e. Sally Avril, Flash, Liz Allen, etc. but also the villains. Introduce the antagonists a movie or two ahead of their 'transformation' into the villain. Create some real depth and avoid doing origin to villain all in the same film.

 

[LEVITIKUZ]

Some things I would like to see:

1) No origin. It has been done and in SM1 done very well. Everybody has seen it and knows it. Reference it, but don't redo the whole story. He's already Spider-Man when the series starts.

2) Parker is in college or is a recent grad. He was only a high schooler for a tiny fraction of his history.

3) A proper 616 Green Goblin with a proper 616-esque costume.

4) I would redo the Gwen Stacy arc, since it was botched so badly in the ASM series. But make it more of a slow burn. Third film at the earliest. MJ would be introduced at least one film before Gwen dies.

5) Ditch the parents completely. Ben and May are his parents, with Norman as a surrogate father figure.

6) Peter is best friends with Harry from the beginning.

7) Peter already works at the Daily Bugle, and it and Jonah play a significant role in the series.

8) I would start off by not only doing things that Sony didn't, but also that they couldn't. If I was in charge, my first film would be a Spider-Man/Daredevil crossover with Kingpin as the main villain. Marvel would need to do something different to create some buzz, while not straying from who the characters are.

With your 5 point, I'm kind of developing my own Spidey origin story. It isn't a retelling and there are many things I add that the comics didn't have and didn't touch upon. I say your 5 because I had these ideas for classmates for Peter and the trouble I had was Harry. I felt including Harry would feel rushed so I left him out.

I thought how can I do Harry that is respectful and natural but not forced. I looked to see what the original comics had and Peter didn't met Harry until college. That's the direction I'm really taking with Harry whenever I get to him. He and Pete will be college buddies and one day he will met Norman. In my take I kept the parents as scientists from Oscorp but I never touched upon it in my origin or my other ideas for Pete's stories in high school. I feel maybe Norman sees in Peter that he could be as valuable to him as his father was to his company. Kind of have the father and son bond there.

My take had Pete's parents dying in a car crash so Osborn is likely not connected.

 

[sl500jazz]

Some things I would like to see:

1) No origin. It has been done and in SM1 done very well. Everybody has seen it and knows it. Reference it, but don't redo the whole story. He's already Spider-Man when the series starts.

2) Parker is in college or is a recent grad. He was only a high schooler for a tiny fraction of his history.

3) A proper 616 Green Goblin with a proper 616-esque costume.

4) I would redo the Gwen Stacy arc, since it was botched so badly in the ASM series. But make it more of a slow burn. Third film at the earliest. MJ would be introduced at least one film before Gwen dies.

5) Ditch the parents completely. Ben and May are his parents, with Norman as a surrogate father figure.

6) Peter is best friends with Harry from the beginning.

7) Peter already works at the Daily Bugle, and it and Jonah play a significant role in the series.

8) I would start off by not only doing things that Sony didn't, but also that they couldn't. If I was in charge, my first film would be a Spider-Man/Daredevil crossover with Kingpin as the main villain. Marvel would need to do something different to create some buzz, while not straying from who the characters are.

I'd also add that they should introduce as many side-characters as they can early on and build on them throughout the films.

Not just the 'friendlies' i.e. Sally Avril, Flash, Liz Allen, etc. but also the villains. Introduce the antagonists a movie or two ahead of their 'transformation' into the villain. Create some real depth and avoid doing origin to villain all in the same film.

Agreed

Do most of the major character introductions very early on. Build a solid foundation and then expand naturally as the story progresses and the characters develop.

Honestly, If Marvel ever gets the rights back, I'm hoping they'll hold off on building another film franchise until technology permits a cost-effective live action television series. IMO, a television series structured similarly to Orange is the New Black would work well for the Spider-Man mythos.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

I'd also add that they should introduce as many side-characters as they can early on and build on them throughout the films.

Not just the 'friendlies' i.e. Sally Avril, Flash, Liz Allen, etc. but also the villains. Introduce the antagonists a movie or two ahead of their 'transformation' into the villain. Create some real depth and avoid doing origin to villain all in the same film.

Most Spidey villains really aren't that notable, so you can easily introduce them in the same film they are villains for. But there are a few characters I agree with you on. Norman, Harry, Eddie Brock, and Curt Connors, in particular should definitely appear before they become villains.

 

[Spider-knight]

Before I begin people, while some may get ******** at the title let me say we have Marvel Studios related threads on the X-Men series:

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=484933

and the Fantastic Four:

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=484115

Which is why we are having one on Spider-Man. There is no reason why we can't and shouldn't. I mainly say that because the last revert the Spidey rights title, people got ******** and angry it got locked.

If Marvel Studios were to get Spider-Man's rights back, what were you like to see them do? Personally I want Ultimate Goblin.

i don't hate ultimate goblin but that version was never a fan favorite

 

[Spider-knight]

also, i don't want spiderman to have a movie. he works best as a show since the series is part soap opera and there are tons of characters you can explore like betty brant, j jonah jameson, ned leeds, robbie robertson, aunt may, mary jane, norman osborn, liz allen, sally avril, the villains, ben urich, phil urich, norah winters, glory grant, etc. they all have a rich history and their own stories. just give him a show on netflix, have him as a street level villain and have him as an adult. i am just tired of kid parker.

also NO SPIDERMAN IN THE AVENGERS! THAT REQUEST IS OVERRATED AND SHOULD DIE ALREADY! IT'S COMPLETELY POINTLESS!

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Some things I would like to see:

1) No origin. It has been done and in SM1 done very well. Everybody has seen it and knows it. Reference it, but don't redo the whole story. He's already Spider-Man when the series starts.

2) Parker is in college or is a recent grad. He was only a high schooler for a tiny fraction of his history.

7) Peter already works at the Daily Bugle, and it and Jonah play a significant role in the series.

I hope he's a grad student, and assistant teacher like for parts of the 70s and 80s.

 

[Spider-knight]

Indeed. He's been an adult for decades even older than Richard rider who looks to be the same age or a few years older. Just stop picturing him as a kid!

 

[W/ Great Power]

also, i don't want spiderman to have a movie. he works best as a show since the series is part soap opera and there are tons of characters you can explore like betty brant, j jonah jameson, ned leeds, robbie robertson, aunt may, mary jane, norman osborn, liz allen, sally avril, the villains, ben urich, phil urich, norah winters, glory grant, etc. they all have a rich history and their own stories. just give him a show on netflix, have him as a street level villain and have him as an adult. i am just tired of kid parker.

also NO SPIDERMAN IN THE AVENGERS! THAT REQUEST IS OVERRATED AND SHOULD DIE ALREADY! IT'S COMPLETELY POINTLESS!

Do you mean you don't want Spider-Man to have a movie as long as Sony has his rights, or you just don't want a Spider-Man movie ever again?

 

[Spider-knight]

Do you mean you don't want Spider-Man to have a movie as long as Sony has his rights, or you just don't want a Spider-Man movie ever again?

I meant I don't want spiderman to have a movie. The character and the mythos works best on tv rather than film

 

[W/ Great Power]

I meant I don't want spiderman to have a movie. The character and the mythos works best on tv rather than film

Why can't he have both a film come out every few years, and a TV series on the side?

There has to be a movie anyways, just for the sake of competition and keeping up with other superheroes.

 

[Spider-knight]

Yeah but they could advertise the show and make it as great as breaking bad. Hell, if they want to reach hire than rian Johnson should become of the writers and directors of this show

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

A good Spider-Man film series is easily capable of grossing $1 billion+ per film It is simply way too lucrative a property not to have in theaters.

It is kind of like complaining about Deadpool not being R-Rated. It might be better being R instead of PG-13, but it isn't a financially sound decision.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Spider-Man needs a break from movies after the series come to an end, whether it is a forced end or because the series end as planned.
At his current gross rate dropping he won't be a $600 per movie franchise.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

Spider-Man needs a break from movies after the series come to an end, whether it is a forced end or because the series end as planned.
At his current gross rate dropping he won't be a $600 per movie franchise.

It would go back up if Marvel got the rights back (assuming the Marvel brand keeps up their quality). Spider-Man is still a super popular character. The gross is only dropping because the films aren't very good.

 

[Shikamaru]

There has to be a movie anyways, just for the sake of competition and keeping up with other superheroes.

A few years ago I would have agreed, but now TV is rapidly catching up to films due to the success of shows like Breaking Bad, The Sopranos, Game of Thrones, House of Cards, Orange is the New Black, Sherlock, etc.

As a result of that, superheroes are witnessing a boom in television as well. Arrow, Flash, Gotham, Constantine, Agents of SHIELD, Daredevil and the Netflix series, etc.

Let's assume TASM3 in 2018 is the last Sony film, then the rights revert and Spidey takes a break for a few years. Meaning the earliest we'd see a show is in the 2020's. By then, assuming the TV market keeps rising at this rate, I think the world would be ready for a full-on Spidey TV series as we know it.

 

[Spider-knight]

It would go back up if Marvel got the rights back (assuming the Marvel brand keeps up their quality). Spider-Man is still a super popular character. The gross is only dropping because the films aren't very good.

If Sony hadn't cut the film nor interfered with Marc's work they would've been reaching plenty of money like there's no tomorrow. They have drew Goddard so they should let him make sinister six successful. If they bother with him that's the end of the spiderman franchise. No one would see another spiderman film from Sony again unless the rights go back to marvel.

 

[Spider-knight]

A few years ago I would have agreed, but now TV is rapidly catching up to films due to the success of shows like Breaking Bad, The Sopranos, Game of Thrones, House of Cards, Orange is the New Black, Sherlock, etc.

As a result of that, superheroes are witnessing a boom in television as well. Arrow, Flash, Gotham, Constantine, Agents of SHIELD, Daredevil and the Netflix series, etc.

Let's assume TASM3 in 2018 is the last Sony film, then the rights revert and Spidey takes a break for a few years. Meaning the earliest we'd see a show is in the 2020's. By then, assuming the TV market keeps rising at this rate, I think the world would be ready for a full-on Spidey TV series as we know it.

Especially when you look at the comics the entire comic series with amazing, spectacular, ultimate, sensational, and web of all feel like a tv series either live action or animated. The character should be best worked as a show. And with that I hope andrew reprises his role or at least let Dylan o'brian play the character since its his dream to play him. Heck. If people want TASM series to be in the same universe as the MCU or thanks to the upcoming tv series, the MLU(marvel live action universe) and with Sony in deeper trouble I think it would be a great idea to ask marvel for help especially with a tv show

 

[W/ Great Power]

A few years ago I would have agreed, but now TV is rapidly catching up to films due to the success of shows like Breaking Bad, The Sopranos, Game of Thrones, House of Cards, Orange is the New Black, Sherlock, etc.

As a result of that, superheroes are witnessing a boom in television as well. Arrow, Flash, Gotham, Constantine, Agents of SHIELD, Daredevil and the Netflix series, etc.

Let's assume TASM3 in 2018 is the last Sony film, then the rights revert and Spidey takes a break for a few years. Meaning the earliest we'd see a show is in the 2020's. By then, assuming the TV market keeps rising at this rate, I think the world would be ready for a full-on Spidey TV series as we know it.

Don't get me wrong, I think a Spidey TV series would be perfect, especially given how prevalent TV series have become over the last few years. The only thing is, I just can't see them exclusively focusing on a TV series without having a plan for a movie as well.

They probably will take a break, but I think a TV series appeals more to hardcore fans like you and I, with a mix of general audience members who would follow the show. The aspect of movies that makes them cash machines is that the majority of people who go to see them in theaters are part of the general audience.

All of those shows could do great, but they're just not centered around the kind of iconic character that Spider-Man is. No matter who is in charge, Spidey will have a film one way or another, because movies fuel a lot more outlets of income for studios than TV series do (merchandise, apparel, etc).

 

[NinjaTurtleFan]

If Marvel Studios were to take over Spider-Man, here's what I would want:

1. No origin. Start the film that he is both Spider-Man and Peter Parker struggling to keep his grades up, make it to high school on time, and fight crime and be there for his friends and Aunt May while also chasing after Gwen Stacy. He would first end up with Liz Allen but at the end of the film, she breaks up with him, and he ends up with Gwen. Gwen is with him until movie 3 and then she dies and MJ is brought in as Peter's new love. If an origin has to be done, either do it in the opening titles and credits ala Sam Raimi's Spider-Man 2 opening credits with the Alex Ross art or as a CGI animatic or if we have to have flashbacks to how he came to be ("Batman Begins" for example), but keep things present and current.

2. Like the other cinematic Marvel universes, build it up. Bring in characters, easter eggs, cameos, you name it. Share the universe with other universes. Make Spider-Man's adventures have an impact on the other universes or vice-a-versa like how the events in "The Avengers" affects the characters in their solo films.

3. Get the best writers, director, editor, producers, and crew and cast on the job.

4. Embrace the comics wholeheartedly. From what we've seen from Marvel Studios, they have a good grip on the feel of the comics but also the humor, the excitement, action, danger, suspense, romance and fantasy of the comics as well as telling a good story. Have Spider-Man look like Spider-Man; villains look like they leapt off the page. Don't be afraid to think, "Oh, that'll never work onscreen." Don't listen to those people. They're idiots and only out for themselves or never read a comic in their life.

5. Make spin-offs within a reason not just for profit.

 

[Spider-knight]

Don't get me wrong, I think a Spidey TV series would be perfect, especially given how prevalent TV series have become over the last few years. The only thing is, I just can't see them exclusively focusing on a TV series without having a plan for a movie as well.

They probably will take a break, but I think a TV series appeals more to hardcore fans like you and I, with a mix of general audience members who would follow the show. The aspect of movies that makes them cash machines is that the majority of people who go to see them in theaters are part of the general audience.

All of those shows could do great, but they're just not centered around the kind of iconic character that Spider-Man is. No matter who is in charge, Spidey will have a film one way or another, because movies fuel a lot more outlets of income for studios than TV series do (merchandise, apparel, etc).

Just make it the same quality as breaking bad. Besides, spiderman wasnt that light hearted to begin with. Heck, arrow is also getting attention so why can't spiderman?