My energy proposal

[Spider-Bite]

Right now you can buy solar panel roofing units for 200,000 dollars that will produce five times as much energy as the average house consumes. This does not include a battery for storing energy you don't use. As of right now the electric company has to buy all of the extra energy you don't use. At that rate it takes about 10 years to get your money back, just counting the money you get from the electric company. That does not include the amount you save from not having an electric bill.

With today's technology vehicles can be made using the hard foam used for motorcycle helmets, in place of most of what is metallic in your vehicle. This makes the vehicle twice as strong, and four times lighter. And this would eliminate production costs by 50%.

As of right now equipping your vehicle with a hybrid engine that can run off of electricity or gas increases the cost of your vehicle by 5,000 dollars.

As of right now when your television is turned off it is using 40% of the amount of electricity it uses when it's turned on, to sit in stand by mode, so that when you turn on your television you get a picture about 30 seconds quicker.

Here is what I believe we should do to get off to a good start.
The dates on this are assuming the plan was passed in 2010.
We buy 1 million solar panel roofing units annually and place them on homes at random, for the next 8 years. However the money that the person would get back from the electric company for the next 10 years goes to the government for the next 10 years, to make this self financing, so the government gets back every penny it spends on it.

An X-prize government contract will be awarded in 2018 of 1 million annually for 8 years, to whoever can offer it to us the cheapest. And homeowners lucky enough to get this will have the same deal, with not getting to keep money from these for 10 years.

A second X-prize government contract of an 8 million unit purchase will be awarded in 2026 to whoever can give us the best deal concerning, price, maintenance, longivity, etc. The American public will have a vote at that time to determine what is the best deal. And homeowners lucky enough to get this will have the same deal, with not getting to keep money from these for 10 years.

All televisions produced to be sold in America after the year 2015, can not use any electricity when they are turned off.

All vehicles produced to be sold in America after the year 2020 must meet the standards mentioned above, but they must come with hybrid engines.
All vehicles produced to be sold in America after the year 2030 must no longer have hybrid engines. They must run purely off of electricity. This will elminate the 5,000 dollar cost of the hybrid engine.

All electric companies which produce their energy from the use of coal, can not emit any green house gasses after the year 2020. Because of the expected increase in demand for electricity as a result of the imposed energy standards on vehicles, coal investors will have a giant incentive to be ready to sell their energy when the time comes.

I believe this would be very helpful to America becoming energy indepandant over the next several decades. This would put solar panel roofing on mass production, thus lowering the cost for civillains to buy it. It would temporarily cost less annually than the Iraq war, but remember the government would get every penny back that it spends on it. By 2032 it would already be on 24 million homes.
Americans would be much more energy efficent. By the year 2050 every vechicle on the road would be 4 times more energy efficent and running off of electricity, and your car payments would be 50% cheaper, and since they are cheaper and more resistant to car accidents, your car insurance would be cheaper. And of course your energy costs would be cheaper as well.

When the year 2026 comes some additional measures might be necessary to continue the purchasing of solar panel roofing, but I doubt it. I think the high demand for electricity would keep them in business all on their own. Who knows maybe 50 years from now Americans will have solar panels on their roofs, and the side of their houses as well. Some more expensive solar panels have been made that resemble ordinary roof shingles, so maybe somebody will be able to make it resemble house siding.

 

[The Evolutionist]

The only problem I see with that is that we would still be using Hybrid cars that far along. Ultimately, this plan is too little, too late.

 

[Addendum]

My TV doesn't have a standby mode. When I hit the off button, it's off.

I highly doubt the government will do anything about energy

 

[Spider-Bite]

My TV doesn't have a standby mode. When I hit the off button, it's off.

I highly doubt the government will do anything about energy

they will, but they probably will do just enough to get elected and no more.

 

[Addendum]

Well duh. That's what being a politician is all about. They don't give a **** about causes.

 

[Spider-Bite]

The only problem I see with that is that we would still be using Hybrid cars that far along. Ultimately, this plan is too little, too late.

the thing is that untill cars are manufactured the way I described, most people wont be able to afford hybrid engines. and we need to give investors a good 10 years notice before mandating that they completely overhaul their entire industry. otherwise we would shock the economy in a bad way.

we would need hybrid engines for the next 10 years after that because it would probably take that long for the supply of electricity to be high enough to accomodate every new vehicle running purely off of electricity. When your talking about major changes to society or the economy such as this, it takes time.

 

[Spider-Bite]

Well duh. That's what being a politician is all about. They don't give a **** about causes.

That's why I plan to take this plan to doorsteps and get 5,000 signatures on a petition to say "We support this" and then contact media outlets to make this proposal known and heard of. If enough voters are pissed about gas prices, then the politicians will be pressured into doing it.

The weather is finally good for doing this.

 

[Addendum]

A petition?

 

[Spider-Bite]

A petition?

A petition with 5,000 signatures might be a good way to get the media to report it, and if the media reports it and says what my idea is, then the public might go for it.

you got a better idea?

 

[Victor Creed]

That's why I plan to take this plan to doorsteps and get 5,000 signatures on a petition to say "We support this" and then contact media outlets to make this proposal known and heard of. If enough voters are pissed about gas prices, then the politicians will be pressured into doing it.

The weather is finally good for doing this.

Your idea is much like communism, it sounds and looks great on paper, but when attempted will most likely become a huge mess. If the government was not already in a downward spiral regarding the national deficit, this whole thing might have been possible, but the government would have to do too much as far as preparing the country for this major transition to lifestyles.

Do you honestly think that all families have the extra money to buy a hybrid vehicle, or convert theirs? Or that the automotive companies have assembly lines that are able to produce these new motorcycle helmets on wheels? Even if they could, at the moment the electric vehicles are not very powerful and do not hold charges for very long. So the fact that these cars would be so much lighter would be a moot point as you would have to outfit it with extra batteries and solar panels to recharge with. Also, the fact that they are stronger may be a great thing, but how durable are they and why would most people choose a new "experimental" vehicle than the time tested good ol (somewhat) metallic vehicles of today.

Also, the government doesn't like to hand out cash unless you are either illegal or have a few children, so why would they hand out free solar panels for randomly chosen homes? What are the odds that these homes would actually be randomly chosen, or that those that are randomly chosen would even submit to have their homes altered in such a way?

Also new legislation would have to be created as these technologies are implemented and altered to be more efficient. Ex. Could someone share solar panels with another's home, or would that be something the electric companies could sue over or at least dispute? What sort of standards would these new vehicles meet? etc.

Don't get me wrong, I wish our country could get our **** together too, but you're asking for too many major changes in too little time IMO (whether it would overwhelm the govt or society, I am not sure). Yea our time is changing very rapidly with new technology, but the technology is transitioning very slowly in the larger areas and more quickly in the minor areas. It would be like changing all cable and satellite channels to HD only, leaving SD television owners out in the cold. This is something that should have been suggested around the turn of the new millennium or sometime close to then, as this would have to be something carefully planned and executed, and I would never expect anything close to this to happen for at least 30 years or more. It all really depends on how the needs and wants of society evolve and how quickly they do so.

 

[Addendum]

A petition with 5,000 signatures might be a good way to get the media to report it, and if the media reports it and says what my idea is, then the public might go for it.

you got a better idea?

No, because I have something called a job. Petitions, causes, protests and other **** like that prevent me from my bills.

 

[Spider-Bite]

Hey man if you guys approve of this please send a link to Obama, Clinton, and Edwards. The more people that do it, the better.

 

[Spider-Bite]

No, because I have something called a job. Petitions, causes, protests and other **** like that prevent me from my bills.

I don't plan on doing it all by myself. I plan to get help. You interested?

 

[Spider-Bite]

*EDIT*

oh come on man. What did you say?

 

[Addendum]

I don't plan on doing it all by myself. I plan to get help. You interested?

I think you missed this post

No, because I have something called a job. Petitions, causes, protests and other **** like that prevent me from my bills.

 

[Victor Creed]

oh come on man. What did you say?

I had accidentally hit submit before I had completed it earlier, lol. Hence the reason I edited it with what I had to say.

 

[Spider-Bite]

I think you missed this post

I understand if you dont' want to do it. Most people wouldn't want to do it. I wasn't suggesting that you go out and get a thousand or even a hundred. As many people as I can get to help will be appreciated. It all adds up. Even if a bunch of people only get like 10 or 20 every two weeks by walking on their day off, that still helps.

 

[Spider-Bite]

Your idea is much like communism, it sounds and looks great on paper, but when attempted will most likely become a huge mess.

Worthless rubbish.

If the government was not already in a downward spiral regarding the national deficit, this whole thing might have been possible, but the government would have to do too much as far as preparing the country for this major transition to lifestyles.

It would cost less annually than the Iraq war. And the government would get back every penny it spends on it, exactly 10 years after it spends it.

Do you honestly think that all families have the extra money to buy a hybrid vehicle, or convert theirs?

Your forgetting something. That would go into effect at the same time, the rest of the production of a vehicle would be down by 50%.

Or that the automotive companies have assembly lines that are able to produce these new motorcycle helmets on wheels?

ummm, yes. it's just a different substance. The knee bone still connects to the leg bone.

and even if they didn't, they would build them, so they can use them to sell vehicles and make profit. They'd have no choice since they wouldn't be able to sell the ones they already do.

Even if they could, at the moment the electric vehicles are not very powerful and do not hold charges for very long.

You really think they couldn't build them better if they wanted to? The people running the moter vehicle companies are the same exact people running the oil industry. Don't believe everything the oil capitilists tell you.

Think about it. One form of energy powers a vehicle just as good as any. It's just a matter of supplying that energy. And there is a thing called batteries.

So the fact that these cars would be so much lighter would be a moot point as you would have to outfit it with extra batteries and solar panels to recharge with.

um no. you aren't going to be able to fit very many solar panels on the roof of a car. LOL. the solar panels are on rooftops on top of buildings.

Also, the fact that they are stronger may be a great thing, but how durable are they

They are twice as durable.

and why would most people choose a new "experimental" vehicle than the time tested good ol (somewhat) metallic vehicles of today.

It's not experimental.

1. 50% cheaper
2. safety reasons
3. save money on gas
4. save money on car insurance
5. because the government says all vehicles to be sold in the U.S. must be like that.
Is five reasons enough?

Also, the government doesn't like to hand out cash unless you are either illegal or have a few children,

family homes, tend to have children living in them. that's why it's called a family home.

so why would they hand out free solar panels for randomly chosen homes?

uh? hello......

What are the odds that these homes would actually be randomly chosen, or that those that are randomly chosen would even submit to have their homes altered in such a way?

If somebody is stupid enough to say no, then you pick somebody else. I think you could easily find more than enough people who would like to save on their electric bill for 10 years and then enjoy selling electricity to the electric company afterwards. These people would save thousands and thousands of dollars. Man you got some weird questions.

Also new legislation would have to be created as these technologies are implemented and altered to be more efficient.

so be it

Ex. Could someone share solar panels with another's home, or would that be something the electric companies could sue over or at least dispute? What sort of standards would these new vehicles meet? etc.

no and already answered


If we wait any longer to get off of oil, we are going to kill the human race. It's destroying the planet.

 

[ang_hulk]

Worthless rubbish.

It would cost less annually than the Iraq war. And the government would get back every penny it spends on it, exactly 10 years after it spends it.



Your forgetting something. That would go into effect at the same time, the rest of the production of a vehicle would be down by 50%.



ummm, yes. it's just a different substance. The knee bone still connects to the leg bone.

and even if they didn't, they would build them, so they can use them to sell vehicles and make profit. They'd have no choice since they wouldn't be able to sell the ones they already do.


You really think they couldn't build them better if they wanted to? The people running the moter vehicle companies are the same exact people running the oil industry. Don't believe everything the oil capitilists tell you.

Think about it. One form of energy powers a vehicle just as good as any. It's just a matter of supplying that energy. And there is a thing called batteries.



um no. you aren't going to be able to fit very many solar panels on the roof of a car. LOL. the solar panels are on rooftops on top of buildings.


They are twice as durable.


It's not experimental.

1. 50% cheaper
2. safety reasons
3. save money on gas
4. save money on car insurance
5. because the government says all vehicles to be sold in the U.S. must be like that.
Is five reasons enough?



family homes, tend to have children living in them. that's why it's called a family home.



uh? hello......


If somebody is stupid enough to say no, then you pick somebody else. I think you could easily find more than enough people who would like to save on their electric bill for 10 years and then enjoy selling electricity to the electric company afterwards. These people would save thousands and thousands of dollars. Man you got some weird questions.



so be it



no and already answered


If we wait any longer to get off of oil, we are going to kill the human race. It's destroying the planet.

The major problem with this is factory conversion.It would cost so much and mabey put ford out of bussiness(not a bad tihng i guess,have you seen the nezt mustang model??) and alot of stock holders would lose out during this time.Could the metal be helpful and help the economy YES! but again,the guys upstairs dont want to lose any cash no matter if they get it back or not.the other issue i can point to is the solar panel thing,they would have ot be regulated,installed and possibly insured which,because they are quite fragile would cost the insurence companies alot and they wouldent stand for it,they give people with earth friendly house alot of flack as it is.It would eventully come back,your right but unless the top of the food chain money makers got behind it,it wont go anywhere.I also want to point out,alot of people make there living on oil,entire franchises are built on it,people invested in oil companies spend millions,what happens to all of those people? where can they work?.We are to dependant on oil,thats for sure and your right,the planets in trouble but you could carve the words "if theres no planet then what will you spend your money on??" into the ceo of sheezt and they will just tend to there wounds as an earthquake shatters there mountian home.Its sad and your right but before you go any further answer that question somehow incase you do get far with media attention.what happens to those workers and that stock? mabey instead of saying all engines become hybrids after a certain time,switch it to "alternate fuel".we know the big wigs dont want electric cars but they would get behind alternative fuel.Your right that foam cars would cost less to produce but again,thats a major change,expensive to.Just work out a few more details before going further.

 

[Addendum]

The major problem with this is factory conversion.It would cost so much and mabey put ford out of bussiness(not a bad tihng i guess,have you seen the nezt mustang model??) and alot of stock holders would lose out during this time.Could the metal be helpful and help the economy YES! but again,the guys upstairs dont want to lose any cash no matter if they get it back or not.the other issue i can point to is the solar panel thing,they would have ot be regulated,installed and possibly insured which,because they are quite fragile would cost the insurence companies alot and they wouldent stand for it,they give people with earth friendly house alot of flack as it is.It would eventully come back,your right but unless the top of the food chain money makers got behind it,it wont go anywhere.I also want to point out,alot of people make there living on oil,entire franchises are built on it,people invested in oil companies spend millions,what happens to all of those people? where can they work?.We are to dependant on oil,thats for sure and your right,the planets in trouble but you could carve the words "if theres no planet then what will you spend your money on??" into the ceo of sheezt and they will just tend to there wounds as an earthquake shatters there mountian home.Its sad and your right but before you go any further answer that question somehow incase you do get far with media attention.what happens to those workers and that stock? mabey instead of saying all engines become hybrids after a certain time,switch it to "alternate fuel".we know the big wigs dont want electric cars but they would get behind alternative fuel.Your right that foam cars would cost less to produce but again,thats a major change,expensive to.Just work out a few more details before going further.

Put some spaces between your sentences, and I might actually consider reading your post

 

[ang_hulk]

Put some spaces between your sentences, and I might actually consider reading your post

If it bothers you edit it yourself.

 

[Victor Creed]

Worthless rubbish.

Same way the government looks at petitions by a few thousand people. Get a few million and they might glance at it.

It would cost less annually than the Iraq war. And the government would get back every penny it spends on it, exactly 10 years after it spends it.

It most likely would, who mentioned the war though? I mentioned the fact that the government wouldnt spend money on something they will not see as a significant issue. They're too busy worrying about illegal immigration and terrorism.

Your forgetting something. That would go into effect at the same time, the rest of the production of a vehicle would be down by 50%.

You're forgetting something as well, there are still going to be good old fashioned gasoline vehicles whether or not this became a reality. Or does everyone only have a brand new vehicle?

ummm, yes. it's just a different substance. The knee bone still connects to the leg bone.

and even if they didn't, they would build them, so they can use them to sell vehicles and make profit. They'd have no choice since they wouldn't be able to sell the ones they already do.

For one, the prices of these vehicles would be as much or more than the current vehicles because these changes would force the manufacturers to spend more to make these changes which would inflate the prices they would have to sell them for to make a profit.

The government would not pass legislation making it mandatory for these vehicles to no longer be produced in any capacity, you're just showing how you only are looking at what you want done, rather than what it would really take to get there.

You really think they couldn't build them better if they wanted to? The people running the moter vehicle companies are the same exact people running the oil industry. Don't believe everything the oil capitilists tell you.

WTF? Do you really think the world is all about doing what is better? I wish it was but there is something that matters more to companies and that is profit.

Think about it. One form of energy powers a vehicle just as good as any. It's just a matter of supplying that energy. And there is a thing called batteries.

It has nothing to do with the form of energy but rather the means of which it can be utilized. Combustion engines are much more powerful than their electric counterparts.

um no. you aren't going to be able to fit very many solar panels on the roof of a car. LOL. the solar panels are on rooftops on top of buildings.

Hate to tell ya Mr. Solar Expert, but solar panels can be used pretty much anywhere you want. I saw a car on the road a few months ago that had the hood and such, all decked out with solar panels.

They are twice as durable.

I meant in terms of decay, what sort of conditions it can withstand, etc.

It's not experimental.

Ignore the quotation marks did we?

1. 50% cheaper
2. safety reasons
3. save money on gas
4. save money on car insurance
5. because the government says all vehicles to be sold in the U.S. must be like that.
Is five reasons enough?

1. Safety Reasons is too vague to be a real reason.
2. Will not be cheaper due to inflated prices for profit as I already said...I mean aren't Hybrids cheaper than conventional vehicles.....oh yeah they arent.
3. Saving money on car insurance, how would having a foam vehicle make your insurance less?
4. Because the govt said so.....haha

You're arguments are intriguing.

family homes, tend to have children living in them. that's why it's called a family home.

So a married couple with no children is not a family?

uh? hello......

If somebody is stupid enough to say no, then you pick somebody else. I think you could easily find more than enough people who would like to save on their electric bill for 10 years and then enjoy selling electricity to the electric company afterwards. These people would save thousands and thousands of dollars. Man you got some weird questions.

Weird questions....yea perhaps you should think about more of these weird questions and have some weird answers ready instead of trying to pull things out of your ass.

so be it

Legislation is passed overnight now?

no and already answered

You cannot honestly say that there would be no problems with this system, or what the vehicle standards would be. Apparently we should all hand over our will to you, oh powerful omnipotent one, for you can lead us all into a Utopia where every car is a cloud that is fueled by happiness.

If we wait any longer to get off of oil, we are going to kill the human race. It's destroying the planet.

The human race is destroying itself, we're just using the oil to kill the planet while we're at it.

 

[Spider-Bite]

It most likely would, who mentioned the war though? I mentioned the fact that the government wouldnt spend money on something they will not see as a significant issue. They're too busy worrying about illegal immigration and terrorism.

Signifigant? Global warming and alternative energy aren't serious issues?
And terrorism is directly connected to oil use. It's no secret. I mentioned the war, because you mentioned the cost. The war is just a tiny blip on our budget, so I used it for comparison.

You're forgetting something as well, there are still going to be good old fashioned gasoline vehicles whether or not this became a reality. Or does everyone only have a brand new vehicle?

why did you assume I forgot that? what the hell man. you asked if people buying new vehicles would be able to afford them with a hybrid engine, and I explained that they would because the rest of the vehicle would be cheaper.

For one, the prices of these vehicles would be as much or more than the current vehicles because these changes would force the manufacturers to spend more to make these changes which would inflate the prices they would have to sell them for to make a profit.

They are constantly updating their factories anyways, and this is why you give them 10 years notice. yes it will cost them money, but it costs them money anyways. Besides the alternative to the car companies not changing the way they do everything is unacceptable. They can't be allowed to just keep doing it the way they are.

The government would not pass legislation making it mandatory for these vehicles to no longer be produced in any capacity, you're just showing how you only are looking at what you want done, rather than what it would really take to get there.

I'm saying what I support being done. Am I not allowed to support gay marriage, because it wont happen in most states for a long time? Do I have to say what it will take to get there?

WTF? Do you really think the world is all about doing what is better? I wish it was but there is something that matters more to companies and that is profit.

Then what was with compaing my plan to communism? I'll admit it's socialism, and something socialist is required becuase all they care about is profit. Geez.

It has nothing to do with the form of energy but rather the means of which it can be utilized. Combustion engines are much more powerful than their electric counterparts.

Only because oil companies want them to be. Experminetal designs have proven that vehicles running off electricity can accelerate just as fast as cars running off of gas. And on top of that, clean air is more important than an extremely powerful vehicle. And on top of that cars running purely off of electricity wouldn't even hit the market for at least 20 years.

Hate to tell ya Mr. Solar Expert, but solar panels can be used pretty much anywhere you want. I saw a car on the road a few months ago that had the hood and such, all decked out with solar panels.

Yes but you aren't going to be able to run your car purely off solar panels on top of it. it takes a lot of energy to move a car and there is only so much room on top of it. And why even bring that in here? That wasn't my plan, and you started bashing my plan based on something you inserted into it.
And on top of that, I don't even believe you. It's probably illegal for one thing, because it would blind everybody else on the road. Solar panels are shiny mirrors.

I meant in terms of decay, what sort of conditions it can withstand, etc.

With the polymer atlerations made by scientists who originally discovered this, it's supposed to last a lot longer than the materials currently being used.

Ignore the quotation marks did we?

When something is being built on mass production, it's not experimental. You asked why consumers would choose something experimental.

1. Safety Reasons is too vague to be a real reason.
2. Will not be cheaper due to inflated prices for profit as I already said...I mean aren't Hybrids cheaper than conventional vehicles.....oh yeah they arent.

dude if production costs are 50% cheaper, minus the hybrid engine, and they aren't charging 50% less they would be in big trouble for price gouging.

3. Saving money on car insurance, how would having a foam vehicle make your insurance less?

Why are you asking such a stupid question? You already know the vehicle is much cheaper and much stronger on impact. Your insurance would be at least 50% cheaper.

4. Because the govt said so.....haha

You're arguments are intriguing.


So a married couple with no children is not a family?

what's the point of that question?

Legislation is passed overnight now?

Did I say it was? Why ask that?

You cannot honestly say that there would be no problems with this system, or what the vehicle standards would be.

Of course not. I'm not the dictator of America. The government is capable of passing energy standards on vehicles, and they are about to very soon.

Apparently we should all hand over our will to you, oh powerful omnipotent one, for you can lead us all into a Utopia where every car is a cloud that is fueled by happiness.

brilliant. I'm just amazed at how well thought out that is.

The human race is destroying itself, we're just using the oil to kill the planet while we're at it.

And people are counting on people like you to sit back and let it happen.

 

[Victor Creed]

Signifigant? Global warming and alternative energy aren't serious issues?
And terrorism is directly connected to oil use. It's no secret. I mentioned the war, because you mentioned the cost. The war is just a tiny blip on our budget, so I used it for comparison.

I never said they weren't serious issues. Here is your problem, you are taking everything I say as if they are my view on the issue. What I am stating is that this is what the government is seeing as the issues at the moment.

why did you assume I forgot that? what the hell man. you asked if people buying new vehicles would be able to afford them with a hybrid engine, and I explained that they would because the rest of the vehicle would be cheaper.

And apparently you did not understand that I was saying that not everyone will have one of these "new and improved" vehicles. I was trying to put forth the possibility that people will still have older vehicles and be unable to pay for the costs. Or does the lack of exhaust allow money to grow on trees now?

They are constantly updating their factories anyways, and this is why you give them 10 years notice. yes it will cost them money, but it costs them money anyways. Besides the alternative to the car companies not changing the way they do everything is unacceptable. They can't be allowed to just keep doing it the way they are.

They are updating their factories, yes. However this proposal would require them to overhaul major parts of their factories which would cost them much more than a simple update. Which would cut their profit margin, which then would cause them to raise the prices for a while after production began. So the whole idea of a cheaper car wouldn't even be seen for a while after.

Also, what is going to stop them from continuing doing what they are doing? Why would they even want to take the risk that is associated with something new like this? I am sure there may be a few tests as were done with Hybrid vehicles, but even now there are not many hybrids on the road compared to other vehicles.

I'm saying what I support being done. Am I not allowed to support gay marriage, because it wont happen in most states for a long time? Do I have to say what it will take to get there?

Is that not the point of a proposal? To propose a proper course of action. As I said before you do not seem to think these plans through from all aspects.

Only because oil companies want them to be. Experminetal designs have proven that vehicles running off electricity can accelerate just as fast as cars running off of gas. And on top of that, clean air is more important than an extremely powerful vehicle. And on top of that cars running purely off of electricity wouldn't even hit the market for at least 20 years.

So it's a conspiracy that combustion is stronger than electric engines at the moment? It couldn't possibly be the fact that this is just now being looked into because of the conflicts in the Middle East. I'm not saying that oil companies didnt have anything to do with downplaying their end of things, but I am sure they didn't send assassins to take out anyone working on an electrical engine.

Yes but you aren't going to be able to run your car purely off solar panels on top of it. it takes a lot of energy to move a car and there is only so much room on top of it. And why even bring that in here? That wasn't my plan, and you started bashing my plan based on something you inserted into it.

Actually I simply asked a few questions to see how well you had this thought out and did expect some intelligent answers rather than a whining response. Guess I know now not to expect anything from you.

And on top of that, I don't even believe you. It's probably illegal for one thing, because it would blind everybody else on the road. Solar panels are shiny mirrors.

I could care less if you believe me, you seem to be unable to comprehend the fact that your ideas are going to be questioned and you actually would have to think of a real response.

His whole car was not covered in solar panels it was simply the damn hood. As far as it being illegal, I am not sure if it is or not, but I saw what I saw. He also had something on his car about going green as well. I believe it was a modification he had done himself.

I do also believe those solar panels are a bit more complicated than just some "shiny mirrors," but thank you for that eloquent statement.

With the polymer atlerations made by scientists who originally discovered this, it's supposed to last a lot longer than the materials currently being used.

I'd like a link please. I am being serious, I think it sounds pretty cool and I just want to check it out is all.

When something is being built on mass production, it's not experimental. You asked why consumers would choose something experimental.

Okay, let me just clarify that for you, in my original post there are quotations around experimental, which means I didn't actually mean it was or not, just that it may be viewed as such if it is not a widely known thing.

dude if production costs are 50% cheaper, minus the hybrid engine, and they aren't charging 50% less they would be in big trouble for price gouging.

I believe it would be more like profiteering than price gouging. I think price gouging is used when things are in a state of emergency, while profiteering is jacking up the price of goods in short supply. Again there is no guarantee any action would be taken against them as they would have had to spend a load of money to produce these vehicles.

Why are you asking such a stupid question? You already know the vehicle is much cheaper and much stronger on impact. Your insurance would be at least 50% cheaper.

Why are you giving such stupid answers? Since these are new kinds of vehicles the price could be more for coverage than previously. Also, the fact that the gender, age, etc. would vary you cannot say for sure it would be cheaper let alone 50% cheaper. Are you going to be selling car insurance as well?

what's the point of that question?

You claimed a family home had to have a family, which in turn meant kids. I was asking a simple question as to whether or not you consider a married couple to be a family or not.

Did I say it was? Why ask that?

Of course not. I'm not the dictator of America. The government is capable of passing energy standards on vehicles, and they are about to very soon.

Well I am sure they are, they usually do. However, many states do not require a vehicle that is X amount of years old to pass the emissions test when running an inspection. So I assume based on the fact that they still allow these vehicles to slide, they will pass very tough legislation regarding energy standards.

brilliant. I'm just amazed at how well thought out that is.

I knew you would be...

And people are counting on people like you to sit back and let it happen.

Well I am sure there are people like me counting on people like them to count on people like me.

 

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I never said they weren't serious issues. Here is your problem, you are taking everything I say as if they are my view on the issue. What I am stating is that this is what the government is seeing as the issues at the moment.

and energy is one of them, thanks to the Iraq war, Al Gore, and rising gas costs

And apparently you did not understand that I was saying that not everyone will have one of these "new and improved" vehicles. I was trying to put forth the possibility that people will still have older vehicles and be unable to pay for the costs. Or does the lack of exhaust allow money to grow on trees now?

I know people would still be using older vehicles. I'm not saying we do anything to them. The timing of laws going into effect was calculated to make sure those people will still be able to use their vehicels. Vehicles aren't built today to last a long time like the old vehicles do. That's why every time a new standard goes into effect it takes about 20 years for all of the vehicles to get replaced with new ones. That's why I said it wouldn't be untill about 2050 for every car on the road to be energy efficent and running off of electricity.

They are updating their factories, yes. However this proposal would require them to overhaul major parts of their factories which would cost them much more than a simple update. Which would cut their profit margin, which then would cause them to raise the prices for a while after production began. So the whole idea of a cheaper car wouldn't even be seen for a while after.

When you say x=the production costs, factories come into that don't they? Yes this will be less profitable for them, but I don't care. I really don't care about the wallets of oil capitalists. They have already made their profit off their current factories, and if they are charging too much, then the government should subsidize their profits too punish them. You know how much freaking money they make?

Also, what is going to stop them from continuing doing what they are doing?

It's called the law

Why would they even want to take the risk that is associated with something new like this? I am sure there may be a few tests as were done with Hybrid vehicles, but even now there are not many hybrids on the road compared to other vehicles.

hybrids are not a risk. they are all over the place because the engine costs 5,000 dollars.

Is that not the point of a proposal? To propose a proper course of action. As I said before you do not seem to think these plans through from all aspects.

yes I did.

So it's a conspiracy that combustion is stronger than electric engines at the moment? It couldn't possibly be the fact that this is just now being looked into because of the conflicts in the Middle East. I'm not saying that oil companies didnt have anything to do with downplaying their end of things, but I am sure they didn't send assassins to take out anyone working on an electrical engine.

no but if somebody engineers something better they will buy the rights to it and lock it up. For decades weve constantly been hearing about how something great is just around the corner, and then surprise it never shows up.

I'd like a link please. I am being serious, I think it sounds pretty cool and I just want to check it out is all.

Do you have a subscription to discover magazine or popular science? I had subscriptions to both of them, and there was a five page article about this type of vehicle in one. I can't remember which. But in order to read their articles at their website you need a password that is printed on the mailing label on your magazine. I don't even know if mine would still work, because my subscription ended a few months ago.

I believe it would be more like profiteering than price gouging. I think price gouging is used when things are in a state of emergency, while profiteering is jacking up the price of goods in short supply. Again there is no guarantee any action would be taken against them as they would have had to spend a load of money to produce these vehicles.

It depends if we have a democrat or a republican as president. They will be able to make profit. They wont be able to make as much profit as they do now, but that's not a bad thing.

Why are you giving such stupid answers? Since these are new kinds of vehicles the price could be more for coverage than previously. Also, the fact that the gender, age, etc. would vary you cannot say for sure it would be cheaper let alone 50% cheaper. Are you going to be selling car insurance as well?

the price of your vehicle doesn't impact the price of your insurance? Wow. I had no idea.

not

yes it will vary from one person to the next but it should always be 50% cheaper than it would have been if your car costed twice as much as it does. geez. and no the price can't be more because it's a new kind of vehicle, since it's a cheaper, safer, more resistant to car accident kind of vehicle.

Well I am sure they are, they usually do. However, many states do not require a vehicle that is X amount of years old to pass the emissions test when running an inspection. So I assume based on the fact that they still allow these vehicles to slide, they will pass very tough legislation regarding energy standards.

you can't really impose energy standards on something after it's already built.