Now Introducing HBO Max Classic

[flickchick85]

Yeah it's bad. No "next episode" button, no "skip intro" just clunky. A lot of people complain about Hulu's UI, but I think that's probably my favorite one other than Netflix

The UI is the main reason I had subscribed to HBO through Hulu - because that's better than HBO Now's UI. But also for the live HBO channels. Speaking of, I hope Max adds those eventually. Showtime has their live channels on their app.

 

[MadVillainy]

The UI is the main reason I had subscribed to HBO through Hulu - because that's better than HBO Now's UI. But also for the live HBO channels. Speaking of, I hope Max adds those eventually. Showtime has their live channels on their app.

I always wondered why people subscribed to HBO through other apps. I know YouTube TV has that option too.

 

[flickchick85]

I always wondered why people subscribed to HBO through other apps. I know YouTube TV has that option too.

Yeah, I'm still one of those old-fashioned TV viewers who doesn't always have something in mind to watch and will just want to see "whatever's on." So live premium channels are a bonus for me. But also, I think for some it's just a matter of convenience - when you subscribe through Hulu or YTTV, you still get access to the HBO apps if you want it, but it's also just nice to not have to switch apps to access the content as well.

 

[jmc]

Well, this isn't disturbing at all. The modern day book burning has commenced.

HBO Max Pulls ‘Gone With the Wind,’ While ‘Cops’ Gets Canceled

 

[terry78]

I figured Cops wouldn't be on anyone's watch list lately, but the former is a film classic, as much of a product of its time it may be.

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

Damn, already? I didn't have any of the HBO apps prior to this so I don't know how long they've been available, but sheesh.

 

[jmc]

As far as I'm concerned if companies are going to no-longer profit from these films and TV shows then they should loose the right to own them and the work should become public domain. Little Britain was apparently just taken off Netflix too. This is a dangerous precedent that pretends history didn't happend. It's literally what Orwell wrote about.

 

[Wheels]

Pulling Gone with the Wind is flat out embarrassing from my perspective. I hate hate hate this hand holding garbage that's akin to the Moral Majority nitwits from years past. I don't respect this type of thing in the least and it shows how much alike some people on different sides actually are. Maybe it's because I'm a 90s kid but I get ticked at such things. Just add a disclaimer to it.

 

[Kane52630]

Well, this isn't disturbing at all. The modern day book burning has commenced.

Yes, because there's no other way to find this movie.

 

[jmc]

With the increased attention towards streaming it is an issue. If they don't want to show it, release it into the public domain. Simple as that. If these companies want to try and hide from their own past then they should forfeit the rights to the work if it bothers them so much. Frankly, the copyright system itself is broken beyond belief anyway, so given the ease of which work can be altered or deleted serious consideration should be given to establishing a rule whereby forfeiture of the work comes into play if nothing is done with it. Don't want your company associated with the work anymore? Fine, then put it into the public domain and wash your hands of it for good.

 

[Dr.]

Gone With The Wind was enormously popular - a classic Hollywood epic, multiple Oscar winner and box office champ. But quite apart from its racial issues, it’s also an overly long, middle-of-the-road melodrama that hasn’t aged all that well. Among film scholars, it isn’t especially esteemed; and at film schools, GWTW is rarely part of the curriculum - unless you’re taking a course on racism in cinema.

I’ve seen the movie, of course. I think I may still have a box set VHS copy kicking around somewhere. But a rescreening is not on my immediate to-do list.

As noted in the articles, HBO Max will eventually return GWTW to its lineup. It’ll be the original (unedited) version; but it will also include an intro commentary and disclaimers. (Presumably, one can fast-forward/ignore these.) In the meantime, if you have a hankering, you can buy the movie on Amazon or rent it on Youtube.

 

[DarkKnight88]

It’ll be the original (unedited) version; but it will also include an intro commentary and disclaimers.

Which is what they need to do, but not pull the titles. Hell, Looney Tunes did that 20 years ago before their cartoons. People are only catching up now?

 

[Detective Conan]

 

[MadVillainy]

Jesus people with the dramatics.

"iT's WhAt oRwELL tALked AbOuT"

The everything is too PC people are just as reactionary and whiny as the people they're always arguing against

 

[MadVillainy]

I've actually never seen Gone With the Wind, but honestly this talk about it reminds me that I've wanted to watch it. No such thing as bad publicity.

Yes, because there's no other way to find this movie.

As noted in the articles, HBO Max will eventually return GWTW to its lineup. It’ll be the original (unedited) version; but it will also include an intro commentary and disclaimers. (Presumably, one can fast-forward/ignore these.) In the meantime, if you have a hankering, you can buy the movie on Amazon or rent it on Youtube.

And this is why people are goofy. Obviously, I get it people primarily watch things via streaming but the whole "why isn't it on streaming" and acting like it can't be viewed somewhere is just silly. And that's not just with Gone With the Wind. People act like you can't watch Friends, The Office, etc. if it's not on a particular streaming service

But going back to Gone With the Wind. They're not taking it out of publication, you can still rent/buy or whatever, and if people actually read the article they're bringing it back to streaming anyway. Hell you can still buy or rent freaking DW Griffith's KKK Birth of a Nation on Amazon or even watch for free on YouTube (and if YT takes it down I'm sure it could be found somewhere else online for free.

 

[kvz5]

Yeah I don’t get the outrage considering that it was explicitly stated that it will back unedited and they’re just working out the disclaimers. And this is not even something that’s never been done before. Heck, if the disclaimers offend people so much then they can always fast forward or go to the bathroom.

I’ve seen it once probably a decade or so ago and I can’t remember a single thing that happened. I might try to rewatch it though once HBO Max puts it back but I’m in no rush.

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

I’m of two minds about the GWTW removal.

One being good riddance since it romanticizes the “Old South“ and the Antebellum era like Hollywood loves to do. All those movies like that, Birth of A Nation and those old Merrie Melodies cartoons with the blackface pisses me off to no end, but that’s what Hollywood was built on. It’s good that the studios are owning up and outright admitting these productions were wrong.

But then this whole thing of censorship is a slippery slope. Soon they’ll be taking down movies for the littlest of things when that goes against freedom of expression.

 

[Kane52630]

It's essentially a more detailed version of this:

 

[MadVillainy]

I’m of two minds about the GWTW removal.

One being good riddance since it romanticizes the “Old South“ and the Antebellum era like Hollywood loves to do. All those movies like that, Birth of A Nation and those old Merrie Melodies cartoons with the blackface pisses me off to no end, but that’s what Hollywood was built on. It’s good that the studios are owning up and outright admitting these productions were wrong.

But then this whole thing of censorship is a slippery slope. Soon they’ll be taking down movies for the littlest of things when that goes against freedom of expression.

But what do we mean by taking down? I don't think I'll be worried until they literally make it so you're unable to view (insert property here). Again you can watch Birth of a Nation, Cops, Gone With the Wind, etc. somewhere. It's not like they're scrubbed from history or even the internet.

And then even with Cops/police brutality, I think we'll be fine. I don't think we're going to stop seeing cops in Hollywood like in Brooklyn Nine Nine, Bad Boys, Law and Order, etc. because they're fictional. I'm sure one of the reasons Cops got pulled is because it's a "reality" show

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

But what do we mean by taking down? I don't think I'll be worried until they literally make it so you're unable to view (insert property here). Again you can watch Birth of a Nation, Cops, Gone With the Wind, etc. somewhere. It's not like they're scrubbed from history or even the internet.

And then even with Cops/police brutality, I think we'll be fine. I don't think we're going to stop seeing cops in Hollywood like in Brooklyn Nine Nine, Bad Boys, Law and Order, etc. because they're fictional. I'm sure one of the reasons Cops got pulled is because it's a "reality" show

Meaning *insert streaming service here* is taking down Tarantino movies because of his outdated depictions of black people and for its violence, or this service taking down Family Guy because of its crude jokes against Terri Schiavo.

Not saying that these productions will be totally scrubbed because you know if you look hard enough you can find anything, but it just puts us on a path where all these people will find any little thing to get triggered about and they start censoring everything.

I just would respect these services more if they kept the original content, make that nice disclaimer and how they don’t uphold its values and just air it. That way it opens dialogue and people can do their own research to see why depictions of the Old South in a movie like GWTW is wrong.

 

[DarkKnight88]

And this is why people are goofy. Obviously, I get it people primarily watch things via streaming but the whole "why isn't it on streaming" and acting like it can't be viewed somewhere is just silly. And that's not just with Gone With the Wind. People act like you can't watch Friends, The Office, etc. if it's not on a particular streaming service

But going back to Gone With the Wind. They're not taking it out of publication, you can still rent/buy or whatever, and if people actually read the article they're bringing it back to streaming anyway. Hell you can still buy or rent freaking DW Griffith's KKK Birth of a Nation on Amazon or even watch for free on YouTube (and if YT takes it down I'm sure it could be found somewhere else online for free.

Yes, I believe everything is still readily available.

The only film that I think is outright banned and unavailable - other than bootlegs of old VHS - is Song of the South. I do wish Disney would own up to it which would show maturity and self-reflection to actually release it with a documentary attached, specifically to talk about the racist issues of the film, the history of the Uncle Remus stories, why such culture depictions were popular at the time, the life of James Baskett, who received an Honorary Academy Award for the film yet didn't even get his speech aired!



Hell, they still play (and profit) off of Zippy-di-doo-dah and thousands of people attend Splash Mountain ever day yet they pretend its source material doesn't exist. Release it, but educate with it.

 

[MadVillainy]

Meaning *insert streaming service here* is taking down Tarantino movies because of his outdated depictions of black people and for its violence, or this service taking down Family Guy because of its crude jokes against Terri Schiavo.

Not saying that these productions will be totally scrubbed because you know if you look hard enough you can find anything, but it just puts us on a path where all these people will find any little thing to get triggered about and they start censoring everything.

I just would respect these services more if they kept the original content, make that nice disclaimer and how they don’t uphold its values and just air it. That way it opens dialogue and people can do their own research to see why depictions of the Old South in a movie like GWTW is wrong.

Well it seems like that's what they're doing for the most part. I think Disney+ had some weird moments with it. But I think that was more due to nudity, which is dumb but it's Disney, not any social justice issues

 

[kvz5]

We're living in peak internet era so nothing will really be gone even IF all the streaming and brick and mortar videos stores band together to pull down a film. As long as there's a single digital copy of something, it'll live on until we get wiped out by a meteor or something.

 

[MadVillainy]

And of course a lot of the reaction, similar to here, are people who aren't reading the whole article and don't realize that it's being put back up with a disclaimer and how "the left" are ruining America

 

[DarkKnight88]

And of course a lot of the reaction, similar to here, are people who aren't reading the whole article and don't realize that it's being put back up with a disclaimer and how "the left" are ruining America

Agreed. But I think the problem was pulling it at all so of course people can jump on that quicker in a headline. They should’ve just done the disclaimer immediately and left it at that. But hey, Gone with the Wind is probably getting more attention than it’s had in 20+ years.