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Oh Sweet Lord...Roughneck is getting into the Transformers game.

Aren't the movie figures due out saturday?

Lotsa my Stores hae had Transformer Movie figs out for a couple weeks not....and not just the Proto Form ones.


Also I have a question....Why is Jazz called Autobot Jazz.....same with Ratchet, he's called Autobot Ratchet....but Bumblebee is just Bubmlebee.....why do they do that>?
 
Cuz it's hasbro.

So they've been out? i'm looking for a sweet Optimus Prime. I think target is going to have an exclusive one...
 
Also I have a question....Why is Jazz called Autobot Jazz.....same with Ratchet, he's called Autobot Ratchet....but Bumblebee is just Bubmlebee.....why do they do that>?
Copyright. There is a bunch of names they've lost the copyright to. Simple rule of thumb is that if you see Autobot or Decepticon in front of a transformer name it means Hasbro lost the rights to that name on it's own. There are few however that they've just written off and are never gonna try using again like Hook, Bluestreak, and Outback.
 
.... how'd they lose rights to a name? and not the character themselves?
 
So they could Have a Transfrmer Named

Autobot Superman and Decepticon Lex Luthor
 
.... how'd they lose rights to a name? and not the character themselves?
Simple they created characters named Hook, Jazz, Ratchet, Shockwave, Bluestreak, Outback, and Hot Rod in the 80's. 20 years later there are movies named Bluestreak and Hook, movies TV shows and restaurants the globe over named Outback, a popular video game character named Ratchet. You see where I'm going. Copyright and trademark laws in the US have a few quirks. I'll skip the legalize, in a nut shell it amounts to "Use it or lose it." Hasbro didn't use it, so Hasbro losed it. From what I've gathered Hasbro will try the Autobot/Decepticon *G1 name we lost* routine if only 1 or 2 other parties have that name copyrighted/trademarked. If it's a whole assload of groups they go, "f-it were giving the toy a new name." Which is usually a bastardized version of the old name or the Japanese name. Hence whey in TF lines today you have Shockblast, Silverstreak, Rodimus, and Hightower. Instead of Shockwave, Bluestrak, Hot Rod, or Hook.

Roughneck said:
So they could Have a Transfrmer Named

Autobot Superman and Decepticon Lex Luthor
I don't think so, Hasbro only ever did it in regard to names they copyrighted between 1984 and 1989 for the G1 TF line.
 
Yeah....my local Wal-Mart would rather tease me with the displays. No leaks there. :(
 
Simple they created characters named Hook, Jazz, Ratchet, Shockwave, Bluestreak, Outback, and Hot Rod in the 80's. 20 years later there are movies named Bluestreak and Hook, movies TV shows and restaurants the globe over named Outback, a popular video game character named Ratchet. You see where I'm going. Copyright and trademark laws in the US have a few quirks. I'll skip the legalize, in a nut shell it amounts to "Use it or lose it." Hasbro didn't use it, so Hasbro losed it. From what I've gathered Hasbro will try the Autobot/Decepticon *G1 name we lost* routine if only 1 or 2 other parties have that name copyrighted/trademarked. If it's a whole assload of groups they go, "f-it were giving the toy a new name." Which is usually a bastardized version of the old name or the Japanese name. Hence whey in TF lines today you have Shockblast, Silverstreak, Rodimus, and Hightower. Instead of Shockwave, Bluestrak, Hot Rod, or Hook.


I don't think so, Hasbro only ever did it in regard to names they copyrighted between 1984 and 1989 for the G1 TF line.

actually thats not how copyrights work... many things share the same name... and theres no problem with it. it's likeness.. or unique name like "mickey mouse" for instance.
 
With names I'm not sure if it's copyright or trademark. But you can own a name. A person or company can own the name Bluestreak or Shockwave. And I'm sure that you do have to use those copyrighted/trademarked names or someone else can scoop it out from under you.
 
well ya, but certain names are ok... like another comic company could name someone rogue... or quicksilver if wanted... though, names like spider-man, batman, hulk, captain america, superman etc... im sure have that. Transformer names like bluestreak (which is the name of several roller costers for instance, as well as a movie), Shockwave... billions of things are named that. It really all depends, but i just don't see random names like that being copyrighted
 
Another Comic Company could use the name Superman as long as he was nothing like the DC Superman.
 
ahh well then they don't for obvious flamage. So if superman can be used.. then the transformer names most certainly could. a good example is the Captain Marvel's on both DC and Marvel
 
well ya, but certain names are ok... like another comic company could name someone rogue... or quicksilver if wanted... though, names like spider-man, batman, hulk, captain america, superman etc... im sure have that. Transformer names like bluestreak (which is the name of several roller costers for instance, as well as a movie), Shockwave... billions of things are named that. It really all depends, but i just don't see random names like that being copyrighted
Now I looked it up on wikipedia and you can in fact trademark a name. And if you don't use a trademark for 3-5 years it lapses. For example no comic company can have a comic title called Captain Marvel, but Marvel comics group. They traemarked it. Also the reason they changed Batman's symbol from just a bat to a bat on a yellow oval was so they could trademark it. But it only applies to branding. Like the label on a toy package, or the title of a comic book.
 
isn't there both a captain marvel DC and Marvel comic? as well as one just got a marvel legend.. and the other has DC direct figs
 
Yep there is. But what is the big red cheese's (aka DC's Captain Marvel) book called? Power of Shazam or Shazam. Why? Marvel trademarked Captain Marvel as title for a comic book. And they came to some sort of agreement about using the name Captain Marvel for the character IIRC.

Anyhow I searched around on TFW2005 and found a thread about lost TF names.
http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/showthread.php?t=96712&highlight=trademark
 
Heading to Wal-Mart today...HOPEFULLY I find some TF Movie stuff.
 
Anyone know the price difference between Leader Class and Voyager Class movie figs? I know Leader is 40...which is steep. Is voyager less expensive...or more?
 
Legends=$6
Scout=$10
Deluxe=$15
Voyager=$30
Ultra=$40
Leader=$60
Supreme=$70

Note, these are the Canadian price points. Rounded up
 
Ah, I went to Target today and they have the shelf place/prices up already, but no figures. US Price for Voyager is 19.99 and Leader is 44.99.

I'm sort of torn, apparently Voyager Prime is more "movie accurate" from what I read, but Leader has "glass windshields." :confused:
 
BS Leader Prime is more accurate than Voyager. He's the only one that doesn't have the alt bumper and front wheels backpack that the Voyager and FAB do. It's the reason I want him. He looks more accurate to the CGI model.
 
Cool, I'll probably pick him up then. I wish it was about 29.99....but ah well.
 
What is FTW anyway?

I neve know....I see it and I think "For the Win" y'know, like 'I'll take Whoppie Goldberg for the win" all Hollywood squares and ****.
 
It's, "for the win." Also there is FTL (for the lose).
 

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