World Original Five VS Superman

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New video I found. Makes for some interesting, thought-provoking discussion.

Here are my thoughts on each mutant's chances if Superman faced them individually.

BEAST: Beast is a genius, but if the original comics are any example, he is average when it comes to strategizing on the battlefield. You can depend on him to beat numerous thugs at once, or update the Danger Room equipment, but when it comes to facing off with Superman, as much I hate to say it, he's going to be relatively useless.

ANGEL: Angel is quick and insanely agile. As a matter of fact, while he's in the air, his agility more than contends with that of Beast. However, Superman's maximum speeds in the comics, even in the early Byrne days, still reached approximate that of the speed of sound. Angel is nowhere near. Like Beast, he'll fare very little.

CYCLOPS: The question, like the guy in the video mentioned, is how much affect his optic beams would have on Superman's skin. I'd say that at their full intensity, Superman would be in pain. And if Cyclops used all his skill, and with a good amount of luck, he has a chance (SLIM) of knocking Superman unconscious if his optic beam hit Superman upside the head.

Cyclops is one of the most important in this scenario, given that he's the leader. He needs to work out a solid plan.

ICEMAN: If he piled on an extremely thick ice casing around Superman, the best you could hope for is a few seconds of Superman struggling before he broke out of that encasement. Now... if Iceman at the point of the fight had learned to create a giant ice-fist for himself... then he would be able to get a few good punches in on Superman if the latter were distracted by something else. Beyond that, Superman dispatches him quickly.

MARVEL GIRL: At the time of the original five, in the early comics, Jean Grey had her telekinesis down to where she could flip pages in a book, carefully lace a string through systematically placed holes in a block of wood... but her weight limit was somewhat low. And when she had to assert that telekinetic weight limit, she was sometimes mentally drained for minutes afterward. I doubt Marvel Girl would stand much a chance unless she aimed for some sort of one-shot precision move.

PROFESSOR X: This is where Superman is at a heavy disadvantage, especially if Professor X had fair warning of Superman's incoming attack, and knew of Superman's location.

Keep in mind that Professor X created mechanical braces for his legs, and he used them to walk around and assist the X-Men several times in the early comics. Superman may or may not have used his X-ray vision to see these; if not, then we can assume Superman would attack him as the others.
 
If you are pitting the OG X-Men against Superman, then you might as well make it a battle against the original Superman. That means no flight, drastically reduced super strength, no heat vision and no invulnerability. With that said, he would be outmatched. Beast is not as strong as OG Superman, but he is strong enough to keep him occupied while Cyclops hammers him with an optic blast.
 
If you are pitting the OG X-Men against Superman, then you might as well make it a battle against the original Superman. That means no flight, drastically reduced super strength, no heat vision and no invulnerability. With that said, he would be outmatched. Beast is not as strong as OG Superman, but he is strong enough to keep him occupied while Cyclops hammers him with an optic blast.

Why exactly?
 
Because you are clearly focused not just on the original team, but their original power sets and power levels. In order to level the playing field, you should compare Superman's first incarnation. What is the point of comparing god-Superman to the weaker version of the original team? Now if we are comparing the five original members, but with their modern powers, that is a different discussion altogether. Especially when considering the Phoenix Force, Ice Man's nigh immortality and omega status, and Cyclops devastatingly powerful optic blast (as seen in Astonishing X-Men).
 
Because you are clearly focused not just on the original team, but their original power sets and power levels. In order to level the playing field, you should compare Superman's first incarnation. What is the point of comparing god-Superman to the weaker version of the original team?

They stand a chance if they focus on teamwork and using their powers to the maximum. And given that the X-Men would still be at an obvious disadvantage, it would make for a damn interesting fight.
 
What defense does Superman have against telepathy?

But Cyclops, Iceman, Beast, and Angel would get defeated by Supes in about 5 seconds.
 
His telepathy defense depends on many things. He gets mind controlled all the time, but it usually takes an extremely powerful telepath(or pheromone powered, half naked vegetable woman) to do it.....but due to his alien mind, it takes time to weedle in. Took Max lord years.

Could Prof X do it? Sure. Could he do it before Supes takes everybody out? Well, maybe.
 
His telepathy defense depends on many things. He gets mind controlled all the time, but it usually takes an extremely powerful telepath(or pheromone powered, half naked vegetable woman) to do it.....but due to his alien mind, it takes time to weedle in. Took Max lord years.

Could Prof X do it? Sure. Could he do it before Supes takes everybody out? Well, maybe.


But Manchester Black gave Superman a telekinetic stroke and a telepathically induced vision of a dead Lois. I don't think Manchester is on Maxwell's level, is he? Seems like a writing inconsistency.

@SBP

Modern Superman is nearly as fast as the speed of light, invulnerable and impossibly strong. What chance do the original X-Men with their original powers, stand against that? Angel can't fly fast enough, Beast isn't strong enough, Cyclops' optic blast can't hurt him, Iceman's can't out compete Superman's heat vision, and Jean, who could use telepathy to get the upper-hand, only has moderate skill with telepathic manipulation.

You are essentially creating a pointless "vs." thread. It is like setting up a car racing thread and saying something ridiculous like "Ford Model T vs. Ferrari Modena Spider." It is a loaded scenario in which it is apparent that the other side has no realistic chance.

This is why I brought up the current versions of the X-Men. Cyclops can level mountains with his optic blast. Jean has epic telepathic and telekinetic abilities. Beast is still outmatched in strength, but at least he could serve as a distraction. Iceman is omega level now. He is effectively immortal and has absolute control over temperature and moisture at a molecular level (including his own).

Angel is still gimped, but the rest of the team actually makes up for it, some what. At least the X-Men could put a fight, if you compare their modern incarnations to the current Superman. But the original powers of the original team, are clearly limited in scope.

So you either need the original members, without ridiculous stipulations on outdated versions of them, going up against the modern Superman, or you need old Superman fighting the old X-Men.
 
I think Manchester was way above Max. I mean the guy still gets nose bleeds.
 
So you either need the original members, without ridiculous stipulations on outdated versions of them, going up against the modern Superman, or you need old Superman fighting the old X-Men.

Never heard of this, have you.
 
Never heard of this, have you.

You mean the old 80s book that has been removed from canon. Sure it toned Superman down to reasonable levels, but it no longer counts. Though, if you are stating that you imagined the battle being with post-crisis, pre-final crisis Superman, then that is a different story. Byrne's depowered Superman going up against the X-Men sounds like a more reasonable battle.
 
You mean the old 80s book that has been removed from canon. Sure it toned Superman down to reasonable levels, but it no longer counts. Though, if you are stating that you imagined the battle being with post-crisis, pre-final crisis Superman, then that is a different story. Byrne's depowered Superman going up against the X-Men sounds like a more reasonable battle.

Now, do you have anything to say about such a fight?
 

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