The Amazing Spider-Man Rank all of the Spider-man movies (including ASM)

[Jick]

Based on everything I read in the Spider-Man forums, I'm kinda surprised to see that ''better than all 3 previous SM movies'' is winning the poll.

 

[AF3619]

Based on everything I read in the Spider-Man forums, I'm kinda surprised to see that ''better than all previous 3 SM movies'' is winning the poll.

with all the complains and the problems? yeah im surprised too!

 

[CConn]

Am I the only one that thought Spider-Man 2 was overrated? It had more Sam Raimi cheese than my grandmother's colonoscopy-requiring mac and cheese. Sure, that's what Raimi goes for in 90% of his movies, but it was distracting. Reminded me is the second half of Thor, or Nightmare on Elm Street 5. It was still good, don't get me wrong. But all of that distracted me from the substance of the movie.

Y'know, when the movie first came out, the cheese didn't seem that bad to me, but rewatching it now, it definitely hurts the movie.

Honestly, Raimi's Spider-Man movies seem more in the vein of Adam West's Batman than anything else these days. And that's not always a bad thing - camp can be fun - but it definitely does dilute the more serious and quality attributes of the film.

 

[El Payaso]

If not for the cheese, SM2 would be in my top 3 for sure.

 

[CConn]

Yeah, it'd probably be close to rivaling TDK for me.

 

[Jexx]

...Whenever I think of SM2 and the things I like about it I think of the beginning when he's dealing with holding a job and the train scene.

I also liked the college stuff, but I still liked the holding a job thing more.

 

[Mulholland-Jr]

Spider-Man 2 used to be at 7.6 on there until recently.

7.7 for the longest time actually, X2 had a 7.8 for about 8 years as well. ASM will definitely go down once it's been on DVD for a while. Remember Superman Returns rating? It started with a 7.9 and plummeted into a 6.4 over the years.

 

[CConn]

Depends on the movie, really.

TDK has remained at 8.9 for years now.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Based on everything I read in the Spider-Man forums, I'm kinda surprised to see that ''better than all 3 previous SM movies'' is winning the poll.

I agree, expected to see "better than 1" or "better than 2" winning the poll

 

[Jexx]

..what if the score goes up with the DVD release? :P

 

[FigsNFilms]

If not for the cheese, SM2 would be in my top 3 for sure.

There is an inherent amount of cheese w/ the character of Spider-Man regardless. Hell, there was cheese in the more serious and sober "Amazing Spider-Man"

Raimi didn't deliver enough kraft cheesy-ness to destroy an otherwise great movie in Spider-Man 2.

Spider-Man 3 is where Raimi had no restraint on the amount of cringe worthy cheese is what makes things un-bearable.

That's the type of cheese that with no filter destroys the credibility of a film.

Also see Burton's Batman Returns, Shumacher's Batman Forever and Batman & Robin, Raimi's Spider-Man 3, Lester's Superman II, etc.

Spider-Man 2: 9/10
Amazing Spider-Man: 8.5/10
Spider-Man: 8/10
Spider-Man 3: 6/10

 

[CConn]

Yes, there's cheese in Spider-Man. But Raimi always went WAY overboard with it.

 

[CConn]

Also, you're ungodly wrong to include BR in that list of cheesy movies.

 

[Jexx]

I actually liked SM3 well enough..

I honestly don't mind cheese all that much, it doesn't bother me that much, but the absence of it is still good for me :P

 

[FigsNFilms]

Also, you're ungodly wrong to include BR in that list of cheesy movies.

Nah. Not to me.



The film is ridiculously over the top. It's not a very serious film or interpretation of Batman. The material and many of the performances are very hammy ... and it has a lot of cheesy / forced "funny" dialogue.

"Just the ***** I've been looking for"

"Eat floor ... high fiber"

You are correct in that Raimi is cheesy in all his films. But I feel like the spirit of Spider-Man in the classic sense allows for that to be apart of the material.

It works in Spider-Man and Spider-Man 2 ... in Spider-Man 3 it is just over bearing.

 

[El Payaso]

There is an inherent amount of cheese w/ the character of Spider-Man regardless. Hell, there was cheese in the more serious and sober "Amazing Spider-Man"

Raimi didn't deliver enough kraft cheesy-ness to destroy an otherwise great movie in Spider-Man 2.

Spider-Man 3 is where Raimi had no restraint on the amount of cringe worthy cheese is what makes things un-bearable.

That's the type of cheese that with no filter destroys the credibility of a film.

Also see Burton's Batman Returns, Shumacher's Batman Forever and Batman & Robin, Raimi's Spider-Man 3, Lester's Superman II, etc.

Spider-Man 2: 9/10
Amazing Spider-Man: 8.5/10
Spider-Man: 8/10
Spider-Man 3: 6/10

It's the overdose man.

If Burton had Batman in a lift talking about how itchy his suit is or Dick Grayson dancing and fingergunning girls on the street, that's it for me.

But then I rate SM2 4/5. That sounds good to me.

 

[CConn]

Nah. Not to me.



The film is ridiculously over the top. It's not a very serious film or interpretation of Batman.

Then you have an unfortunate lack of knowledge of Batman as a character or his mythos.

And yes, SOME Spider-Man comics are campy. And some Batman comics feature Batman fighting giant gorillas. Raimi picked the wrong tone to emulate if he wanted to make legitimately great movies.

 

[lordofthenerds]

Spider-Man 2- 8
The Amazing Spider-Man- 8
Spider-Man- 7
Spider-Man 3- 4

 

[FigsNFilms]

Then you have an unfortunate lack of knowledge of Batman as a character or his mythos.

No, I know the character very well.

I just don't prefer the tongue in cheek interpretation of the character. I like my Batman taken seriously.

The film made some nice comments about feminism, but a serious Batman movie?

Hell no its not.

And some Batman comics feature Batman fighting giant gorillas. Raimi picked the wrong tone to emulate if he wanted to make legitimately great movies.

I think Raimi's films picked the exact right flavor int he first two films. Fan, critics, and box office reaction are more than evident of that ...

Only time the tone is excessively cheesy and goes to far is Spider-Man 3.

 

[CConn]

No, I know the character very well.

I just don't prefer the tongue in cheek interpretation of the character. I like my Batman taken seriously.

The film made some nice comments about feminism, but a serious Batman movie?

Hell no its not.

There was nothing tongue-in-cheek about it. It was written as a macabre fairy tale specifically tailored to espouse and delve into the multifaceted nature of Batman's psyche.

Which it did quite phenomenally. In some ways, possibly even better than any other Batman film.

I think Raimi's films picked the exact right flavor int he first two films. Fan, critics, and box office reaction are more than evident of that ...

Only time the tone is excessively cheesy and goes to far is Spider-Man 3.

Yes, as you've already mentioned about five times now.

 

[El Payaso]

No, I know the character very well.

I just don't prefer the tongue in cheek interpretation of the character. I like my Batman taken seriously.

The film made some nice comments about feminism, but a serious Batman movie?

Hell no its not.


I think Raimi's films picked the exact right flavor int he first two films. Fan, critics, and box office reaction are more than evident of that ...

Only time the tone is excessively cheesy and goes to far is Spider-Man 3.

Ah well, your disdain for RETURNS doesn't allow you to be properly objective.

 

[FigsNFilms]

There was nothing tongue-in-cheek about it. It was written as a macabre fairy tale

Fairy Tale is serious to you?

The simple fact that it is a "dark fairy tale" means it isn't being taken seriously at face value.

specifically tailored to espouse and delve into the multifaceted nature of Batman's psyche.

Not really. All it did was make the same basic comments about duality.

Nothing else. Simpleton view of Batman's psyche. Shrugs off Bruce Wayne as being a neurotic and crazy soul akin to his villains.

When there is stil a fundamental difference between Batman and his enemies. Morality. Bruce isnt' Batman simply because he's crazy ... he's Batman because he is drivin from within.

BEGINS analysis of Batman's psyche >>> Returns cliffnotes (and kind of wrong) analysis of Batman's psyche.

And his psyche is loosely and vaguely explored through the other character as opposed to literally focusing on Bruce Wayne, why?

They don't have the excuse of B89 of wanting to potray Batman as a mysterioso character ... we already know too much about him for that angle.

Where is the explanation for the harsh character change where he kills people at whim?

It's all very cartoony. From Devito's ridiculously hammy Penguin performance, to Catwoman's origin ... it's a very hollow film, with no heart. and no characters that I personally even want to empathize with and root for

 

[CConn]

Jesus Christ, that's a big pile of dumb.

Repost that in the BR thread, and they'll be about 10 of us who will gleefully tear that argument apart.

 

[FigsNFilms]

Repost that in the BR thread, and they'll be about 10 of us who will gleefully tear that argument apart.

Why don't you just do it yourself right here, as opposed to needing back up goon squad

 

[CConn]

Because this would obviously be an extremely long debate that doesn't really have any place in a Spider-Man thread.