Superman Returns Re: The Offical Jason Appreciation Thread

[Desk]

You must have forgotten about Clark... You know, the real person who wants those things? If he didn't, he wouldn't bother with lois or women in general. There wouldn't be a need to have a Clark. You're being ridiculous.

He should want them but never actually attain them - once he does he stops being Superman and starts being Everyman.

 

[Fatboy Roberts]

that's bulls**t. At some point he has to attain SOME of them otherwise the character becomes cardboard and one-note. He has to try and fail, or try and succeed. there have to be little victories and little defeats, or else he becomes the two-dimensional boring character that the worst iterations of him have always been.

Again, to re-iterate: My problem isn't so much that there WILL be a kid--my problem is in whether or not that aspect is folded into the story thoroughly enough that it makes sense AS you're watching. Otherwise it's just another bad twist in a long line of bad hollywood twists. If it makes sense in the storytelling, emotionally AND plotwise, then it'll fly. It'll feel like that's how it's SUPPOSED to be.

If it doesn't, it'll be leaden.

 

[J.Howlett]

Fatboy,

I think it'll work, IF the kid is his....

 

[Fatboy Roberts]

I hope so, man, trust me. Although I think making the kid not his is a much easier choice to make

 

[J.Howlett]

Fatboy,

It is the easier choice. That's why I like the novel so much. I mean, it fit very, very well, even with that very, very subtle ending between Superman and Lois.

I'm actually hoping Singer is telling the truth and the kid is in fact Richard's and the big spoiler is something else.

Hopefully, it has something to do with New Krypton.

 

[Steelsheen]

Fatboy,

It is the easier choice. That's why I like the novel so much. I mean, it fit very, very well, even with that very, very subtle ending between Superman and Lois.

I'm actually hoping Singer is telling the truth and the kid is in fact Richard's and the big spoiler is something else.

Hopefully, it has something to do with New Krypton.

Brainiac!


or Bizarro!

 

[DocLathropBrown]

He could not have sex with Lois as Clark Kent and not tell her that he's Superman.

He doesn't lie, but that's not a lie. Had he said "I didn't sleep with you Lois" then that would be a lie. Never telling isn't the same as a lie. Like the scene in World's Finest between Bruce and Lois....

Lois: "You lied to me!"

Bruce: "Now, I never said I wasn't Batman...!"

 

[J.Howlett]

Still wouldn't buy it. If he's about to go that deep with Lois, he would've told her.

 

[The Caped Knight]

Please, all that I would like to know is if it is made clear that

Spoiler

jason is Superman/Clark's?

Please, or at the least point me to a rewqview where it says.

Thank you.

I believe he is. { Because that's the only way Lois & Clark will end up together, We ALL know they will end up together in the end.} So I Believe he is .

 

[Hugh'sMrs]

Also, we’ll have to use our imagination about her relationship with Richard. If the kid is Superman’s, she met Richard AFTER he was born. There’s no way she just moved on within a few weeks of Superman having leaving (hell, how long before did they know he had “left them”). So, she really doesn’t owe Richard anything. He came into a relationship in which there was a child. All he has to know is the father is gone.

HOWEVER this one issue that is really odd. Richard throughout the book questions her relationship with Supes. If the kid isn’t his, how come he never wonders if superman could be the father? It would be a logical assumption for him… Or does he know that Superman is the father and just believes Lois has moved on with him and he is the definitive father as far has he's concerned…

So many questions. I can’t wait to see how it all plays out.

Except the child has the last name White not Lane. If Lois was a single mother who'd met Richard after Jason was born, he'd have her last name not his.

 

[DvilDog]

except richard could have adopted him, and that of course would give the kid his last name. Take it from my little brother who was adopted

 

[gdw]

Except the child has the last name White not Lane. If Lois was a single mother who'd met Richard after Jason was born, he'd have her last name not his.

Actually, according to the movie cards, his last name is actually

Spoiler

Lane

and I'm still really wondering how they will handle the issue of how the kid was concieved.

I know the whole 'they had a relationship of some sort' thing, but, as mentioned, it simply does not hold up without him having told Lois he was Clark already.

Which means either she is faking herself around Clark, which it is pretty clear she is not given their behaviour alone, or they keep the memory wipe, or Superman was a real dick and slept with her without even telling her his name.

OR, she had a one night stand with Clark before HE left . . . which I could see . . .

 

[The Caped Knight]

Except the child has the last name White not Lane. If Lois was a single mother who'd met Richard after Jason was born, he'd have her last name not his.

Jason's name is Lane in the novel, on the movie cards etc ..

 

[Supermanila]

Jason's name is Lane in the novel, on the movie cards etc ..

well I think that about says it all... I mean they've been saying Jason White all these time since production, and now in the novel and the cards, it's Jason Lane, I mean why use Lane if it's really Richard's son?

Frankly, I agree with you guys, if it's Supes' son, it has to be done right...I just can't believe Superman, with all his values and how he was raised, would do Lois, without telling her he's Clark, and just leave. Not even considering how Superman can control his movements and power to perfection and yet getting Lois pregnant without him really wanting to.

I just hope they do this right. But I still hope it's not his son. There's something to Superman being the "Last son of Krypton" for me.

 

[charl_huntress]

That's the thing. I doubt Singer would give Supes a kid and not handle it right. To be honest, the early mention of the kid in the beginning (and the obvious references to it being Richard's child) at the cons and early interviews were deliberately misleading. However, who has been following this twist as closely as we have? It's just now that the GP is wondering if it's his kid. We've been on this kick for months.

I tend to think we are all looking too deeply into this (as we should since were are fanboys and girls), but I don't think anyone else is trippin' on it as hard as we are. They will no doubt be surprised by whatever happens.

 

[Fatboy Roberts]

There it is. Over at AICN, the newest, spoiler heavy review makes it clear, once and for all

It's Superman's kid.

Well there you go

 

[J.Howlett]

Fatboy,

It sounds as if it's not explained in this film. It could be that they're waiting for the sequel(s) to explain that aspect...which is an interesting move.

 

[GreenKToo]

Derek Wildstar,AICN....BIG SPOILER.....

Spoiler

Lois Lane's son. HES EXCELLENT. Wow, i wanted to see a whole movie of just this kid. And i dont like movies with kids typically. The kid (I couldnt find his name on IMDB) plays the role like the kid in THE SHINING. No joke, hes quite and almost creepy at times. Creepy because we KNOW he's Superman's son and he has massive powers but we only get to see a hint of it. Overall a great performance and he's sure to have a bigger role in the sequels.

wow.

 

[Fatboy Roberts]

Double post

 

[Fatboy Roberts]

Make that triple post

 

[Fatboy Roberts]

J. Yeah, read the highlighted part in Green's post (and green--no need for spoiler text, it's a spoiler board, anyone in here probably knows what we're talking about when we talk about the kid.

That's his kid. It's made apparent enough in this film, what ISN'T made apparent is apparently his own super-powers, or that they're budding. He DOESN'T mention the piano thwack, so I'm thinking that won't be the reveal that he could be powered--but something probably a little more subtle.

This guy seems to have bought the idea completely, meaning it works in the film rather organically for him, but I'm still wondering how Clark rails Lois without so much as telling her he's actually Superman. Or vice versa. Unless Superman II is suddenly in continuity again, but that doesn't appear to be the case.

Guh.

 

[GreenKToo]

Kool,I been slamed before for that,EVEN though I was in a spoiler forum,know what I mean?I just thought I would be careful..

 

[GreenKToo]

Edit

 

[Kane]

I think this is another bullsh^t AICN review. Im getting tired of this. What major spoilers were in it?

They didnt say anything new except their claim that Jason is Superman's son.

All the ppl who were screened this film were also told that they were required TO NOT reveal any spoilers from the film (all the 10-15 other reviewers complied with that)...

But AICN didnt?....

I dont buy this at all.

They have no credibility after all the questionable stuff theyve pulled so far. That site needs to go down.

Its your choice what to believe but I wouldnt recommend believing the crap they put out there.

 

[MoreCowbell]

I'm loving it.