Real ID...your thoughts.

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National ID cards have long been advocated as a means to enhance national security, unmask potential terrorists, and guard against illegal immigrants. They are in use in many countries around the world including most European countries, Hong Kong, Malaysia, Singapore and Thailand. Currently, the United States and the United Kingdom have continued to debate the merits of adopting national ID cards. The types of card, their functions, and privacy safeguards vary widely.


Americans have rejected the idea of a national ID card. When the Social Security Number (SSN) was created in 1936, it was meant to be used only as an account number associated with the administration of the Social Security system. Though use of the SSN has expanded considerably, it is not a universal identifier and efforts to make it one have been consistently rejected. In 1971, the Social Security Administration task force on the SSN rejected the extension of the Social Security Number to the status of an ID card. In 1973, the Health, Education and Welfare Secretary's Advisory Committee on Automated Personal Data Systems concluded that a national identifier was not desirable. In 1976, the Federal Advisory Committee on False Identification rejected the idea of an identifier.


In 1977, the Carter Administration reiterated that the SSN was not to become an identifier, and in 1981 the Reagan Administration stated that it was "explicitly opposed" to the creation of a national ID card. The Clinton administration advocated a “Health Security Card” in 1993 and assured the public that the card, issued to every American, would have “full protection for privacy and confidentiality.” Still, the idea was rejected and the health security card was never created. In 1999 Congress repealed a controversial provision in the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act of 1996 which gave authorization to include Social Security Numbers on driver's licenses.


In response to the tragic events of Sept. 11, 2001, there has been renewed interest in the creation of national ID cards. Soon after the attacks, Larry Ellison, head of California-based software company Oracle Corporation, called for the development of a national identification system and offered to donate the technology to make this possible. He proposed ID cards with embedded digitized thumbprints and photographs of all legal residents in the U.S. There was much public debate about the issue, and Congressional hearings were held.



Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich testified that he "would not institute a national ID card because you do get into civil liberties issues." When it created the Department of Homeland Security, Congress made clear in the enabling legislation that the agency could not create a national ID system. In September 2004, then-DHS Secretary Tom Ridge reiterated, "[t]he legislation that created the Department of Homeland Security was very specific on the question of a national ID card. They said there will be no national ID card."


The public continues to debate the issue, and there have been many other proposals for the creation of a national identification system, some through the standardization of state driver's licenses. The debate remains in the international spotlight – several nations are considering implementing such systems. The U.S. Congress recently passed the REAL ID Act of 2005, which mandates federal requirements for driver's licenses. Critics argue that it would make driver's licenses into de facto national IDs.
 
This sounds like a solution of sorts, but I'm curious about what type of safety measures or stipulations an ID would require. If a petition was made, what kind of requirement would it involve for the ID?

These ideas were probably rejected for sound reasons. I don't think those reasons fully dissolve or disappear just because of national security. Data leaks and compromises happen all the time and identity theft is rampant, so an idea such as this one could potentially increase those chances.

I'm not against the concept, but it seems too risky.
 
what if I don't have an ID on my person? will I be shot on sight?
 
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No identity. No life.
 
Alpha and Omega said:
This sounds like a solution of sorts, but I'm curious about what type of safety measures or stipulations an ID would require. If a petition was made, what kind of requirement would it involve for the ID?

These ideas were probably rejected for sound reasons. I don't think those reasons fully dissolve or disappear just because of national security. Data leaks and compromises happen all the time and identity theft is rampant, so an idea such as this one could potentially increase those chances.

I'm not against the concept, but it seems too risky.

Currently I have multiple different cards for different functions...

SIN = Social Insurance Number, ID for applying for a job, applying for unemployment, applying for welfare, applying for passport, applying for Driver's License

Birth Certificate = ID provided when applying for SIN, Driver's License, Health Card and passport.

Driver's License = ID when driving, going to liquor store, going to bars, applying for credit cards, applying for passport

Health Card = ID when seeing the doctor, going to the ER or using an Ambulance

Passport = ID when travelling

... if someone wants to pretend to be me they have to forge all of them... if it were down to 1 card for all functions, how long do you think it would be until the forgers were able to duplicate it?
 
redmarvel said:
Currently I have multiple different cards for different functions...

SIN = Social Insurance Number, ID for applying for a job, applying for unemployment, applying for welfare, applying for passport, applying for Driver's License

Birth Certificate = ID provided when applying for SIN, Driver's License, Health Card and passport.

Driver's License = ID when driving, going to liquor store, going to bars, applying for credit cards, applying for passport

Health Card = ID when seeing the doctor, going to the ER or using an Ambulance

Passport = ID when travelling

... if someone wants to pretend to be me they have to forge all of them... if it were down to 1 card for all functions, how long do you think it would be until the forgers were able to duplicate it?

A very good point. This won't help the identity theft problem this country is having.
 
the problem with cards are that they are too easily forged in this day and age...

whatever benefits these cards offer, on the larger scale of things, i think the most would simply be convinience instead of carrying around a few...

I doubt they will actually make identity theft any less possible.

with any system implemented, there is always going to be a way to bypass it. The illusion of safety is the only thing it is certain to bring.
 
redmarvel said:
Currently I have multiple different cards for different functions...

SIN = Social Insurance Number, ID for applying for a job, applying for unemployment, applying for welfare, applying for passport, applying for Driver's License

Birth Certificate = ID provided when applying for SIN, Driver's License, Health Card and passport.

Driver's License = ID when driving, going to liquor store, going to bars, applying for credit cards, applying for passport

Health Card = ID when seeing the doctor, going to the ER or using an Ambulance

Passport = ID when travelling

... if someone wants to pretend to be me they have to forge all of them... if it were down to 1 card for all functions, how long do you think it would be until the forgers were able to duplicate it?

This is the primary reason I'm against the idea.

jag
 
I would never carry it, they could not force you to.
 
Dangerous said:
I would never carry it, they could not force you to.

"Vat are you doingk owt aftah dahk vizout your paperzzzzzz? Ve vill have to take you een for qvestioningk! Yavol!"

jag
 
:woot: WOW I was quoted twice in 1 day in 1 thread on 1 page... that MUST be a personal record!!!
 
redmarvel said:
:woot: WOW I was quoted twice in 1 day in 1 thread on 1 page... that MUST be a personal record!!!
I say, let's bring the watermak a notch further to the upper side
 
jaguarr said:
"Vat are you doingk owt aftah dahk vizout your paperzzzzzz? Ve vill have to take you een for qvestioningk! Yavol!"

jag


Please don't probe me :(
 

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