Action-Adventure Red One - Dwayne Johnson, Chris Evans

[DarthSkywalker]

I disagree on it not knowing what it wanted to be. This movie wanted to be exactly what it was. Aquaman is actually a good parallel to what it's going for. It's essentially a Christmas version of that. But I also agree that it feels more like a movie you'd watch on Netflix than take a trip to the theater. I think in the end, this movie is trash, but mildly amusing trash. But I think you can wait to watch it on Amazon Prime in a few months for free instead of paying for it.

So, in the pantheon of Rock being a moron recently, I think Black Adam deserves all the hate cause it wanted to be the launching point of a new DC and it thought it was amazing when it was trash. But here, I am not offended by Red One. It's a silly Christmas action movie made for a streamer and it knows it is stupid. Even if the Rock doesn't, lol!

It might want to be like Aquaman, but it does not understand how and why Aquaman works. Aquaman is kids movie, disguised as an adult blockbuster. Red One wants to be far more seriously taken and misses out on the magic of Aquaman.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Wicked about to beat it into the dust before Moana 2 finishes it.

 

[Mani-Man]

Wait, i just saw the +...we talk about what could be 300 million dollar budget for the movie + marketing for this?
You gotta give props to the people who sold this movie to a studio willing to pay this much for it to be made.
The Pitch meeting must have been insane.

 

[blueharvest]

Wait, i just saw the +...we talk about what could be 300 million dollar budget for the movie + marketing for this?
You gotta give props to the people who sold this movie to a studio willing to pay this much for it to be made.
The Pitch meeting must have been insane.

Speaking of Pitch Meetings, the one for this movie was uploaded to YouTube yesterday.

 

[AverageMan]

Yeah, exactly. They talk about this on The Weekly Planet a lot; how the Rock doesn’t really have a great movie of his own. The action stars he emulates and idolizes (Arnie, Stallone, Willis) all had big franchises that were theirs (and in some cases, multiple franchises). The Rock has F&F but he’s a side character in most of those and some of them he’s not even in since he joined up. And aside from Fast Five, they’re all pretty bad. He has Moana, which is a legit great movie and he’s great in it, but again, it’s a supporting role and it’s a voice role. I guess the Jumanji franchise is probably his best one; he’s the principle lead and the movies are pretty good. But other than that? His leading man output has been bad overall. I enjoyed Red Notice for trash green screen Netflix movie but it wasn’t good. Black Adam was damn near unwatchable (had to watch it 3 pieces because enduring more than 35 minutes of that trash in one sitting is torture). I kinda liked Central Intelligence… why didn’t he do a sequel to that one instead of getting Kevin Hart to appear in all his other movies? That one actually kinda worked.

I thought the Rundown/Welcome To the Jungle - the one with Stiffler & Christopher Walken was pretty enjoyable. I don't know how that did at the Box Office, but that one had potential to become a series (if not a full on franchise). He has made some very questionable choices in his film career to date though.

 

[Spider-Fan]

It might want to be like Aquaman, but it does not understand how and why Aquaman works. Aquaman is kids movie, disguised as an adult blockbuster. Red One wants to be far more seriously taken and misses out on the magic of Aquaman.

Execution is a different thing lol. I aint arguing it landed the execution. Like I said, this for me was a streaming movie and not something I would recommend going out of your way to go to a theater for. Aquaman on the other hand, I am fond of that movie. So yeah, Aquaman is better. But what it wanted to be was clear to me

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Execution is a different thing lol. I aint arguing it landed the execution. Like I said, this for me was a streaming movie and not something I would recommend going out of your way to go to a theater for. Aquaman on the other hand, I am fond of that movie. So yeah, Aquaman is better. But what it wanted to be was clear to me

I think my fundmental disagreement is I do think it knows what it wanted to be. I just don't think it wanted to be Aquaman. I think something more akin to the later Fast movies, and specifically all the Vin stuff in them. Or streaming movies like the Gray Man. There is a seriousness baked into this film during sequences that make no sense, that tells me they weren't shooting for something like Aquaman. But something that plagues a lot of Rock's projects.

To take this back to the Fast series. Jason Momoa, who was the only good thing in Fast X, and was meant to be the villain of both parts, ain't coming back for the sequel as the main villain. And considering talk Vin blames him for the box office returns, I think it's another example of how guys like him and the Rock think these movies need to be. Which is crazy for me with the Rock because the man came up doing any and all comedy. But some switch flipped and I don't know what happened. He'll build a fairly comedic movie around himself and then torpedo it with a serious through line, that isn't as heartfelt or thoughtful as he thinks.

That said, both leads were terribly cast here. They were the anti-Tango and Cash.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I think my fundmental disagreement is I do think it knows what it wanted to be. I just don't think it wanted to be Aquaman. I think something more akin to the later Fast movies, and specifically all the Vin stuff in them. Or streaming movies like the Gray Man. There is a seriousness baked into this film during sequences that make no sense, that tells me they weren't shooting for something like Aquaman. But something that plagues a lot of Rock's projects.

To take this back to the Fast series. Jason Momoa, who was the only good thing in Fast X, and was meant to be the villain of both parts, ain't coming back for the sequel as the main villain. And considering talk Vin blames him for the box office returns, I think it's another example of how guys like him and the Rock think these movies need to be. Which is crazy for me with the Rock because the man came up doing any and all comedy. But some switch flipped and I don't know what happened. He'll build a fairly comedic movie around himself and then torpedo it with a serious through line, that isn't as heartfelt or thoughtful as he thinks.

That said, both leads were terribly cast here. They were the anti-Tango and Cash.

Aquaman has its serious moments though, like a lot of the stuff with his mother and the backstory. So I put Aquaman and the Fast movies and even the later Jumanji films The Rock did as similar type of movies. Aquaman is just a better executed version of that kind of movie. But we can view that differently. Ultimately though I think we're making the same type of point.

 

[theastsunnn]

Rock has become annoying because he’s everywhere and he doesn’t seem real. Come across as saying whatever he needs to, to sell himself and trying to be cool with everyone. When you try to please everyone you please no one. Pick a side and stick to it

 

[Da-Scribe]

Yeah The Rock feels like he’ll say anything to further his brand.

 

[Sithborg]

Gotta pay for the roids somehow.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Yeah The Rock feels like he’ll say anything to further his brand.

Cause he would

 

[Dave McFly]

I thought the Rundown/Welcome To the Jungle - the one with Stiffler & Christopher Walken was pretty enjoyable. I don't know how that did at the Box Office, but that one had potential to become a series (if not a full on franchise). He has made some very questionable choices in his film career to date though.

I LOVE that movie probably my fave of his early stuff he looked so different with the hair and I still at the bits with the effects of the poison frog and how that one tiny dude beat the ever loving crap out of Rock's character.

Walking Tall is another one of his I liked highly underrated film the both of them.

 

[Deck Rickard]

Yeah The Rundown/Welcome to the Jungle was a lot of fun and I wish it had gotten a sequel. But you know the Rock of today would never allow a scene of a little guy kicking his ass like in that movie, lol.

 

[Sawyer]

You heard the man. Sing over all the dialogue, your fellow audience members will thank you for it.

 

[DarkKnight88]

Does it have to be a musical? I was singing during Oppenheimer and people seemed… upset.

 

[Da-Scribe]

This is why I’m becoming more and more over the theatrical experience.

 

[Spider-Fan]

If anyone was singing at my screening of Wicked, I didn't notice at all.

Theater is still the best for me. Always will be. I so much prefer the distraction free environment.

 

[blueharvest]

 

[blueharvest]

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Only a -2 % drop this weekend. That's pretty impressive to be fair.

 

[Mani-Man]

148 Millon for this should have already made it Profitable...still so insane that this movie had the budget it has.

Only a -2 % drop this weekend. That's pretty impressive to be fair.

Yeah, i expected a 90% drop or so, 2% for this is impressive despite the low box office numbers it runs.

 

[DarkKnight88]

Better late than never I guess.

It just didn’t open high enough. I assume they’ll drop it on streaming just before Christmas.

 

[The Shape]

148 Millon for this should have already made it Profitable...still so insane that this movie had the budget it has.

Yeah, i expected a 90% drop or so, 2% for this is impressive despite the low box office numbers it runs.

Wasn't this originally planned as an Amazon streaming release?

$150mil is a hell of a lot better than $0.

 

[blueharvest]