Reed Richards" "don't Make Me Beg."????

[yenaled]

Not every person who has served in war is rugged especially something like WWII which would have been conscript and I'm pretty certain that's no longer canonical, unless Reed is now about 80 years old.

Yes, Reed is an adventurer and yes he may have seen combat but that doesn't mean that he is "rugged", rugged brings to mind a hard worn vet who most likely is disenfranchised with the whole world around him. This for me brings up Wolverine, Sgt. Rock, Jonah Hex, Rick Flag. Reed is certainly not in the same league as them. I think people are enforcing characteristics onto Reed which are not necessarily there in the first place.

A remember just because he isn't rugged doesn't mean he is a spineless wimp.

 

[Fading]

Honestly I think he's a bit rugged but not a full blown man's man. In earlier adventures I saw him as more of a 40-50's dad type figure which are more rugged then they are today lol, atleast from what characterizations I've gotten from TV (as I wasn't born until 83). He just seemed the type that while smart he sit in his favorite chair reading a newspaper in front of a fireplace or something. He also doesn't ask, but tells the F4 what to do, when to use their powers. Now more recently he's become a bit less rugged IMO from what ruggedness was there, but I still don't see him as a metrosexual or anything.

On the other hand I don't think he's a man's man. I could never see him playing poker with Wolverine and Beast like Thing used to. I also can't see him wearing flannel while building a log cabin, or arm wrestling for fun.

Who he has and hasn't beat doesn't speak on his ruggedness that speaks as heroics as even old ladies can risk their lives for others. It's his attitude, and I do see him as rugged as he's take charge, was drawn barrel chested, and just gives off a father figure presence from the 50's. Like I said tho it's not full blown rugged, and def not a man's man.

A person can be rugged tho and not be a man's man. I'd say Gambit's rugged, he has stubble, plays poker and all, but he wears pink at the same time . BTW saying he's rugged doesn't lessen him as a scientist in anyway. He also is the nose in the books type more so, and part of that adventurous attitude comes from curiosity and not just wanting to test his physical strength or anything.

 

[Harlekin]

Not every person who has served in war is rugged especially something like WWII which would have been conscript and I'm pretty certain that's no longer canonical, unless Reed is now about 80 years old.

Yes, Reed is an adventurer and yes he may have seen combat but that doesn't mean that he is "rugged", rugged brings to mind a hard worn vet who most likely is disenfranchised with the whole world around him. This for me brings up Wolverine, Sgt. Rock, Jonah Hex, Rick Flag. Reed is certainly not in the same league as them. I think people are enforcing characteristics onto Reed which are not necessarily there in the first place.

A remember just because he isn't rugged doesn't mean he is a spineless wimp.

Well, his past in the war has always stuck in some manner. Once no longer eligible for WWII service, he was retconned into the Korea war, and at a later point probably Vietnam. I'd say he would've served during the Gulf.

 

[Sloth7d]

So what did Hill do to Reed in Frontline?

Nothing really. She took a patient(speedball) away from him who'm he wanted to further study. He replied "Don't make me beg" in a joking manner so she wouldn't remove him from his custody. I really don't get this thread. I saw nothing in frontline that labeled Reed a wimp.

 

[celldog]

Nothing really. She took a patient(speedball) away from him who'm he wanted to further study. He replied "Don't make me beg" in a joking manner so she wouldn't remove him from his custody. I really don't get this thread. I saw nothing in frontline that labeled Reed a wimp.

So while he has a patient in his care who he says will suffer great pain if he is awaken, Reed is finding time to "joke"? You are reeeeally stretch this beyond even Reed's "physical limits.

So, if he is "jokingly" saying that, can you at least admit that "this" puts him out of character??????

 

[Sloth7d]

So while he has a patient in his care who he says will suffer great pain if he is awaken, Reed is finding time to "joke"? You are reeeeally stretch this beyond even Reed's "physical limits.

So, if he is "jokingly" saying that, can you at least admit that "this" puts him out of character??????

Reeds been out of character since Clor, but this particular issue.... I see nothing wrong with it. Note, though he was joking, he was being serious at first. And it seemed more like he wanted to study him(because Speedballs powers were fluxuating)more than he cared for his well-being.

 

[celldog]

Reeds been out of character since Clor, but this particular issue.... I see nothing wrong with it. Note, though he was joking, he was being serious at first. And it seemed more like he wanted to study him(because Speedballs powers were fluxuating)more than he cared for his well-being.

You see nothing wrong with that??

 

[Darthphere]

Not every person who has served in war is rugged especially something like WWII which would have been conscript and I'm pretty certain that's no longer canonical, unless Reed is now about 80 years old.

Yes, Reed is an adventurer and yes he may have seen combat but that doesn't mean that he is "rugged", rugged brings to mind a hard worn vet who most likely is disenfranchised with the whole world around him. This for me brings up Wolverine, Sgt. Rock, Jonah Hex, Rick Flag. Reed is certainly not in the same league as them. I think people are enforcing characteristics onto Reed which are not necessarily there in the first place.

A remember just because he isn't rugged doesn't mean he is a spineless wimp.

Thank you. By the way, glad to see you back.

 

[Darthphere]

By the way...the O.S.S. was the precursor to the C.I.A.
Basically Reed was a spy. Behind enemy lines, no less.

I know that, I play plenty of Medal of Honor/Call of Duty.t:

 

[celldog]

Not every person who has served in war is rugged especially something like WWII which would have been conscript and I'm pretty certain that's no longer canonical, unless Reed is now about 80 years old.

Yes, Reed is an adventurer and yes he may have seen combat but that doesn't mean that he is "rugged", rugged brings to mind a hard worn vet who most likely is disenfranchised with the whole world around him. This for me brings up Wolverine, Sgt. Rock, Jonah Hex, Rick Flag. Reed is certainly not in the same league as them. I think people are enforcing characteristics onto Reed which are not necessarily there in the first place.

A remember just because he isn't rugged doesn't mean he is a spineless wimp.

Would Clark Savage be considered rugged??

Bruce Wayne??

Each of these men have massive intellects.....and are very cultured. Does that take them out of the Sgt. Rock category?? Because truthfully, either of them could clobber ol' Rock. Methinks there is some tunnel vision going on against Reed merely because of his brain power. This guy went up against Doom with no powers!!

 

[yenaled]

Thank you. By the way, glad to see you back.

You're welcome and thank you - nice to be back.

Each of these men have massive intellects.....and are very cultured. Does that take them out of the Sgt. Rock category?? Because truthfully, either of them could clobber ol' Rock. Methinks there is some tunnel vision going on against Reed merely because of his brain power. This guy went up against Doom with no powers!!

Honestly, I just think you are mixing up characteristics. Kyle Rayner went against Parallax with only a lead pipe (which I'm sure compares to Reed going against Doom) but I don't think anyone can call him rugged. He can be brave, foolhardy maybe, greatly passionate, a risk taker but rugged isn't the word. That doesn't make him any less of a man, a hero or anything it's just makes him a different type of hero. By your definition anyone who has ever faced down an tougher opponent or served in some kind of war is rugged and that's not so and that would describe every single superhero ever created.

Maybe I'm being semantical but oh well. I can see this is going to go on forever with no end. So I'll agree to just disagree.

 

[BrianWilly]

Reed might not have always been a man's man, but throughout this event he has been systematically *****fied. It wasn't necessarily the begging part that was strange and irritating (though it was), it was the entire scene -- He is the brains behind Hill's career right now, and yet she gets to order him to make a prisoner suffer? -- and it was the entire scene in addition to all the other crap that's been going on.

A man stands up for his beliefs. He doesn't kowtow to the government because he's afraid of them. A man knows his own mind and defends his actions. He doesn't sigh and cower when his wife calls him a Nazi. A man isn't afraid to fight for what's right, even at the cost of his own well-being. He doesn't let traumatized patients be tortured further and tell us McCarthyism is good. These are all things that Reed didn't do before this event started, and now he's been systematically doing.

I've always thought that Reed was very manly...again, pre-Civil War. He was smart, and determined, and powerful, and proactive, and successful, a good friend, and had a supermodel actress wife who he loved and protected and had sex with him on a steady basis, and was a good father to his children. What other criterion do we need? And what's this lumberjack nonsense? Who actually looks at a lumberjack these days and thinks, "Now there's a man's man!"? People look at lumberjacks and laugh.

I wouldn't call Wolverine a man's man at all, I'd call him a thug. Sadly, it seems that not a lot of people can tell the difference most of the time.

 

[Darthphere]

And what's this lumberjack nonsense? Who actually looks at a lumberjack these days and thinks, "Now there's a man's man!"? People look at lumberjacks and laugh.

I dont think lumberjack's even exist anymore, but regardless theyre still represenative of being strong, outdoorsman, and yes rugged. Paul Bunyan anyone?

On a side note, if you wake up and got some extra cash for breakfast, you need to go to Denny's and try out a lumberjack slam, its the only meal youll eat all day.

 

[Kitsune]

He was a "man's man?" You mean like Rock Hudson was a man's man?

 

[LennonBoy]

This War Thats Going On Is...Well MESSED UP!!!!! I Mean WTF Why Is Reed On The Side That He Is? And Iron Man AHHH I Cant Evan Start but Yes Reed Is Acting Weird

 

[Darthphere]

Well it depends by what you mean when you say man's man.

 

[thewhitequeen]

While I think Reed's character was deffinatly streched past where most loyal readers are used to seeing, we should keep in mind that not only does war change people, but people simply change over time in general.

P.S. I'm with whoever said Reed is like a 1950s dad!

 

[Darthphere]

While I think Reed's character was deffinatly streched past where most loyal readers are used to seeing, we should keep in mind that not only does war change people, but people simply change over time in general.

P.S. I with whoever said Reed is like a 1950s dad!

Is that a pun?

 

[thewhitequeen]

Is that a pun?

Yes. Yes it was.

 

[KevanG]

Well he technically has no spine.

He actually kinda does. In Secret Wars where Doom was fighting the Beyonder, there was a bright light that shines down on the heros and pretty much X-rays them and you could see Reeds skeleton streched out. My scanners broken otherwise I'd post the pic.

 

[Sloth7d]

You see nothing wrong with that??

Well, this goes back all the way to the beggining. Starting with him cloning Thor. Yeah, Reeds been out of character lately, but this issue really didn't make him look like a wimp in my eyes.

 

[La The Darkman]

While Reed Richards is by no means a "wuss", I'd never call him a "rugged man's man", at least not by Marvel Universe standards.

 

[Eros]

rugged can also mean cool to, and i see Reed as a very Rugged man. He effortlessly hooked up with susan storm,goes on fantastic adventures, hes called Mr.Fantastic, and he is really rich. he can also pick up any woman he wants in the Marvel U, but chooses to stay with the mother of his kids.

 

[thewhitequeen]

Deffinition via American Heritage Dictionary:

rugged. adj. rug·ged (rgd)

1. Having a rough irregular surface. See Synonyms at rough.
2. Having strong features marked with furrows or wrinkles: the rugged face of the old sailor.
3. Having a sturdy build or strong constitution: a rugged trapper who spent months in the wilderness.
4. Tempestuous; stormy: the rugged weather of the North Atlantic.
5. Demanding great effort, ability, or endurance: the rugged conditions of barracks life.
6. Lacking culture or polish; coarse and rude: rugged manners and ribald wit.

Reed is deffinatly not rugged.

 

[La The Darkman]

rugged can also mean cool to, and i see Reed as a very Rugged man. He effortlessly hooked up with susan storm,goes on fantastic adventures, hes called Mr.Fantastic, and he is really rich. he can also pick up any woman he wants in the Marvel U, but chooses to stay with the mother of his kids.

What in gods name are you smoking?