Ridley Scott's "Alien: Covenant" (Oct 6, 2017) - Part 3

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[TheVileOne]

Spoiler

Murals don't matter. The derelict being there for possibly thousands of years doesn't matter. None of that pre-established lore matters in this film. It is all thrown out.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Spoiler

Murals don't matter. The derelict being there for possibly thousands of years doesn't matter. None of that pre-established lore matters in this film. It is all thrown out.

Spoiler

Do they not leave any room for David recreating something that already exist?

 

[Joe Von Zombie]

Spoiler

Murals don't matter. The derelict being there for possibly thousands of years doesn't matter. None of that pre-established lore matters in this film. It is all thrown out.

How exactly? This really seems like hyperbole.

 

[Roose Bolton]

Spoiler

Murals don't matter. The derelict being there for possibly thousands of years doesn't matter. None of that pre-established lore matters in this film. It is all thrown out.

I doubt it.

Spoiler

David creating the Xenomorphs on Paradise =/= David creating Xenomorphs throughout history.

 

[TheVileOne]

Spoiler

Do they not leave any room for David recreating something that already exist?

Spoiler

"Creation." "The perfect organism."

 

[TheVileOne]

I doubt it.

Spoiler

David creating the Xenomorphs on Paradise =/= David creating Xenomorphs throughout history.

You can doubt what you want, but the film has a poor way of showing that. It's not my fault Scott wants to Phantom Menace his own franchise.

 

[Marvolo]

Spoiler

Murals don't matter. The derelict being there for possibly thousands of years doesn't matter. None of that pre-established lore matters in this film. It is all thrown out.

In what way?

 

[TheVileOne]

You'll see.

 

[Roose Bolton]

You can doubt what you want, but the film has a poor way of showing that. It's not my fault Scott wants to Phantom Menace his own franchise.

Or maybe it's asking a level of intelligence from the viewer that was above you

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Or maybe it's asking a level of intelligence from the viewer that was above you

Roose, come on. Snyder didn't direct this.

 

[Marvolo]

I doubt it.

Spoiler

David creating the Xenomorphs on Paradise =/= David creating Xenomorphs throughout history.

I also think this is Vile's misunderstanding. He thinks that just because David makes these things or thinks he is the first to make them or claims to be the first that the film is making that a fact and that it actually contradicts or retcons everything.

 

[Roose Bolton]

Need to look at the facts as they're presented. The Engineers created biological weapons that more or less followed the parasitic life cycle of the Xenomorph and produced creatures that were essentially variations of the Xenomorph. (Wall mural/Trilobite/Deacon)

We also know that David has a mastery of Engineer technology and biological weaponry and that he has spent a considerable amount of time in the presence of said weaponry whilst his grows less analytical and more unstable/emotional. We also know that he has a burgeoning God complex. All of this calls David's claims (and his sanity) into question, when the alternative [blackout](I.E. he used Engineer bio weaponry and Shaw's tainted DNA to do another variation of what we had already seen) [/blackout] seems far more likely.

 

[TheVileOne]

I also think this is Vile's misunderstanding. He thinks that just because David makes these things or thinks he is the first to make them or claims to be the first that the film is making that a fact and that it actually contradicts or retcons everything.

Am I misunderstanding, or is Ridley Scott misunderstanding?

 

[TheVileOne]

Or maybe it's asking a level of intelligence from the viewer that was above you

You not liking the answer and resorting to pathetic insults doesn't make it any less true. The film isn't this intricate, complex masterpiece that will properly connect all the dots you are making it out to be.

 

[harlequinade]

People questioning someone who unlike them actually saw the movie and whose claims are backed by other people who saw the movie all over the web

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Need to look at the facts as they're presented. The Engineers created biological weapons that more or less followed the parasitic life cycle of the Xenomorph and produced creatures that were essentially variations of the Xenomorph. (Wall mural/Trilobite/Deacon)

We also know that David has a mastery of Engineer technology and biological weaponry and that he has spent a considerable amount of time in the presence of said weaponry whilst his grows less analytical and more unstable/emotional. We also know that he has a burgeoning God complex. All of this calls David's claims (and his sanity) into question, when the alternative [blackout](I.E. he used Engineer bio weaponry and Shaw's tainted DNA to do another variation of what we had already seen) [/blackout] seems far more likely.

This is exactly how I assume it has to go, all things considered.

 

[TheVileOne]

Need to look at the facts as they're presented. The Engineers created biological weapons that more or less followed the parasitic life cycle of the Xenomorph and produced creatures that were essentially variations of the Xenomorph. (Wall mural/Trilobite/Deacon)

We also know that David has a mastery of Engineer technology and biological weaponry and that he has spent a considerable amount of time in the presence of said weaponry whilst his grows less analytical and more unstable/emotional. We also know that he has a burgeoning God complex. All of this calls David's claims (and his sanity) into question, when the alternative [blackout](I.E. he used Engineer bio weaponry and Shaw's tainted DNA to do another variation of what we had already seen) [/blackout] seems far more likely.

Have you seen the movie? What do you really know about it and these "facts"?

 

[dude stannis]

He knows his truth.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Yeah, I don't see how they can retcon the Derelict being on LV-426 for hundreds of years. Both Prometheus and Alien showed that the Xenomorphs have existed before David ever came along.

Unless time travel is somehow involved, in which case yeah, that's dumb.

 

[mikeboydus]

Yeah, I don't see how they can retcon the Derelict being on LV-426 for hundreds of years. Both Prometheus and Alien showed that the Xenomorphs have existed before David ever came along.

Unless time travel is somehow involved, in which case yeah, that's dumb.

With the corner they have written themselves into, I would not be surprised at all if one of the sequels use time travel. Maybe not a time machine exactly, but something semi based in scientific theory like a Kerr black hole or ring singularity that David flies an Engineer ship through millions of years into the past.

I will madly laugh like Sam Neill at the end of In the Mouth of Madness, if they do that and David in his experiments transforms, like a twisted version of Bicentennial Man, himself into the gigantic Space Jockey from Alien.

 

[The Endless]

Time dilation from FTL travel?

 

[harlequinade]

Yeah, I don't see how they can retcon the Derelict being on LV-426 for hundreds of years. Both Prometheus and Alien showed that the Xenomorphs have existed before David ever came along.

Unless time travel is somehow involved, in which case yeah, that's dumb.

Isn't it simply one of the characters assuming that?

Because if it's about the whole 'fossil' thing Ridley comes up with a way to do that in the matter of seconds in Covenant

I think the retcon is awful, but it's not like 'the hundreds of years' thing would be this hard for Ridley to s*** on

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

With the corner they have written themselves into, I would not be surprised at all if one of the sequels use time travel. Maybe not a time machine exactly, but something semi based in scientific theory like a Kerr black hole or ring singularity that David flies an Engineer ship through millions of years into the past.

I will madly laugh like Sam Neill at the end of In the Mouth of Madness, if they do that and David in his experiments transforms, like a twisted version of Bicentennial Man, himself into the gigantic Space Jockey from Alien.

I actually like time travel as a sci fi concept. So it wouldn't bother me it being used, but not to explain the derelict that would be like a kick in the face.

Isn't it simply one of the characters assuming that?

Because if it's about the whole 'fossil' thing Ridley comes up with a way to do that in the matter of seconds in Covenant

I think the retcon is awful, but it's not like 'the hundreds of years' thing would be this hard for Ridley to s*** on

Well it is an assumption but based on the space jockey having been fossilized​ as well as the bone having grown into the chair, which usually takes a number of years. I will have to see Convent myself for more info.