But I'm talking about translating that into marketing of a filmic saga. In fact, I heard a comment from Mark Hamil, that when Star Wars was first released, his hope was that it would be as successful as Planet of the Apes.
Correct. Planet of the Apes was sort of the prototype of the film franchise & marketing. Apes was huge and kids back then played with Apes action figures from Mego. In the sense it was a film franchise which was heavily marketed, it was sort of a forerunner of what Star Wars would be (only even bigger than Apes).
It was first in concept, although Star Wars gets the credit. It's interesting that both were 20th Century Fox, so the company had experience in it, yet let Lucas control the sequel & marketing rights.
It is sort of like Jaws & Star Wars getting credit for creating the "blockbuster" when films like The Godfather & The Exorcist were already readily using the term. You could say Jaws & Star Wars created more the idea of the summer blockbuster.
How exactly was she "annoying"? I'm curious by that statement.
Anyway, just got out of it. I thought it lived up to the hype i've been reading and hearing about the past 3 weeks. Its a very well done origin story.
Ceaser was great and Andy Serkis is THE MAN. The movie just flowed, and I loved the callbacks to the original. Very interesting how they show the take off of the shuttle heading to Mars only to get "Lost in Space". Very clever way to reference the original film.
There were a lot of moments in this movie that had my audience gasping. Particulary the "NO!", the scene when the bad guy arrives to the offices and they're looking down on him and when they showed themselves at the top of the building holding spears.
One of the best of the summer. BRING ON THE SEQUEL...which I would imagine would focus on the beginnings of the war.
I thought all involved were good and Serkis as Ceaser was fantastic. In fact, I thought all the cgi was down right amazing. The directing and cinematography was really good and the action was just, generally, handled really well. The begining 'escape', little Ceaser swinging roung his home and the 'growing up' sequence, swinging through the red woods were all really cool. The 'No' was really surprising and handled well too, that was cool.
I also thought the end credits scene was a nice touch and is probably one of the few circumstances where a credits scene fits and actually makes sense.
Here's the but..
It felt a little bit anti climatic... Like, they didn't really do anything. Through out the second half of the movie, it felt like it was building up to something and while the Golden Gate Bridge sequence was great and fun to watch, it just felt like it kind of petered out and nothing really came out it... I know the point was for them to escape and all Ceaser wanted was his 'home' but that's how it felt. I guess I just expected something a little more. The ending was cool though.
It also felt like the pacing was off a little... it seemed to go really quickly from Ceaser being put in the sanctuary to the revolt, like, something was missing from the 2nd third of the film.
In the trailer we see a scene of Franco driving in front of the Lab while it explodes yet this was missing from the film... It's my assumption there was maybe a deleted scene showing Ceaser taking all the apes to the lab and giving them the 113 formula and then blowing the lab up because he has all these apes following him, half of them from the zoo but you never see him giving them the drug... Why would wild apes follow his orders on the brdige and stuff? Perhaps there isn't such a moment in the film, it's reasonable to suggest that you can connect the dots without being shown it but what is the purpose of the lab explosion shown in the trailer?
It kind of felt like there was an inconsistency with how many apes there was too. We only ever saw, what, 10 cages at the santuary and more apes in the play room than what those 10 cages would hold. Then in the break out scene, there seems to be even more of them escaping the sanctuary. They break loads out of the zoo but surely there couldn't have being as many as what you see tearing around city? I don't know.
And I loved the trailer. It's what made me want to go and see this at the cinema... But I think it's kinda worth noting that if you've seen the trailer, you've seen the film. I know there are some impressive moments in the film that make it worth watching but still.. especially all the action on the Golden Gate Bridge, that was practically all given away.
I don't mean to bash because it's a good, well put together film and I did very much enjoy it but there was just a couple little niggles, which someone on here might have an answer to but when me and my mate walked out, they made us say "it was good but..."
Would definitely look forward to the sequel, which will obviously show the start of the war and I'm guessing from moments this film, there will perhaps be 2 ape factions. Ceasar who wants to live in peace and Koba, who is all for killing and stuff.
I thought all involved were good and Serkis as Ceaser was fantastic. In fact, I thought all the cgi was down right amazing. The directing and cinematography was really good and the action was just, generally, handled really well. The begining 'escape', little Ceaser swinging roung his home and the 'growing up' sequence, swinging through the red woods were all really cool. The 'No' was really surprising and handled well too, that was cool.
I also thought the end credits scene was a nice touch and is probably one of the few circumstances where a credits scene fits and actually makes sense.
Here's the but..
It felt a little bit anti climatic... Like, they didn't really do anything. Through out the second half of the movie, it felt like it was building up to something and while the Golden Gate Bridge sequence was great and fun to watch, it just felt like it kind of petered out and nothing really came out it... I know the point was for them to escape and all Ceaser wanted was his 'home' but that's how it felt. I guess I just expected something a little more. The ending was cool though.
It also felt like the pacing was off a little... it seemed to go really quickly from Ceaser being put in the sanctuary to the revolt, like, something was missing from the 2nd third of the film.
In the trailer we see a scene of Franco driving in front of the Lab while it explodes yet this was missing from the film... It's my assumption there was maybe a deleted scene showing Ceaser taking all the apes to the lab and giving them the 113 formula and then blowing the lab up because he has all these apes following him, half of them from the zoo but you never see him giving them the drug... Why would wild apes follow his orders on the brdige and stuff? Perhaps there isn't such a moment in the film, it's reasonable to suggest that you can connect the dots without being shown it but what is the purpose of the lab explosion shown in the trailer?
It kind of felt like there was an inconsistency with how many apes there was too. We only ever saw, what, 10 cages at the santuary and more apes in the play room than what those 10 cages would hold. Then in the break out scene, there seems to be even more of them escaping the sanctuary. They break loads out of the zoo but surely there couldn't have being as many as what you see tearing around city? I don't know.
And I loved the trailer. It's what made me want to go and see this at the cinema... But I think it's kinda worth noting that if you've seen the trailer, you've seen the film. I know there are some impressive moments in the film that make it worth watching but still.. especially all the action on the Golden Gate Bridge, that was practically all given away.
I don't mean to bash because it's a good, well put together film and I did very much enjoy it but there was just a couple little niggles, which someone on here might have an answer to but when me and my mate walked out, they made us say "it was good but..."
Would definitely look forward to the sequel, which will obviously show the start of the war and I'm guessing from moments this film, there will perhaps be 2 ape factions. Ceasar who wants to live in peace and Koba, who is all for killing and stuff.
now see I didnt think franco phoned it in but much rather just played it straight and didnt try to be a funny guy. The girlfriend was just there and honestly that actress might be very good but the role was so minimal you could have had any chick casted.
Your spoiler part
I always wondered too if there was some love angle between ceaser and another chimp because in the trailers he holds ones face like hes in love.
I was thinking too when the apes were running loose in the streets you see in the background thousands of apes running through intersections. I was telling my wife too that now that ceaser and his fellows are hiding in the red woods what makes them think that the army wont load up and coming in there guns blazing? I guess they just patiently wait for the virus to wipe out and destroy half the population to really "rise up"?
I was thinking, for the sequel should Caesar's appearance change? Having watched many documentaries about chimps I remember seeing that once a chimp takes up the Alpha postion it goes through some physical changes such as increased muscle growth, hair loss, I think also that they're brow gets larger. Does anyone think it'd be interesting to see these changes as Caesar has taken up the alpha male position?
It's going to be interesting to (possibly) see Maurice and Koba speak in the next film. I am very interested to see how the main apes "evolve" in the next film.
I was thinking, for the sequel should Caesar's appearance change? Having watched many documentaries about chimps I remember seeing that once a chimp takes up the Alpha postion it goes through some physical changes such as increased muscle growth, hair loss, I think also that they're brow gets larger. Does anyone think it'd be interesting to see these changes as Caesar has taken up the alpha male position?
I really hate that Buck the Gorilla died, that big guy had a lot of heart. I guess that Rocket, Maurice, and maybe Koba will be apart of Caesar's inner circle for the sequel... At least until Koba betrays him. About Caesar's romance, I think that he was fond of an Ape named Cornelia in Rise. I remember a scene where Caesar was overlooking all of the Apes in the playroom and he smiled at a particular chimp before Maurice came to talk to him. I think it was Cornelia.
Given how this series isn't exactly known for it's happy endings, anyone else think that IF Franco came back for the sequel that they'd kill him off at the end?
Either that or Cesear dies protecting him from Koba and his 'rebel' group of apes.
Given how this series isn't exactly known for it's happy endings, anyone else think that IF Franco came back for the sequel that they'd kill him off at the end?
Either that or Cesear dies protecting him from Koba and his 'rebel' group of apes.
I dont see a need for franco's character at all in a sequel. Hie role was in my opinion played out in this movie, he raised cesar and tought him morals and compassion until cesar was a grown enough ape to take care of himself. Franco's character was if anything the reason for the apes uprise.
I don't think he would be willing to help the military being as their goal would be the death of Caesar.
I agree with the poster who felt that the third act was kind of rushed. It's still fantastic, but I would've really liked to see what became of Brian Cox's character. He kind of just disappeared. I figured his corruption would lead to him getting a good beat down from Caesar.
The movie was absolutely excellent. In term of summer blockbuster it is an A+ for me mainly because it does what movie is supposed to do: entertain us. Excellent storytelling and amazing motion cap CGI that bring the apes to life. Most of the apes' quirks & behaviours especially the chimpanzee's were so realistic. The chimpanzees' communication (verbal, facial and hand gestures) are based on a combination of wild and captive animals. Ceaser is the most wonderfully realised mo-cap creature captured on silver screen. The only quibble for me is that the last act was not nearly climatic enough in cinematic term.
The timeline is obviously different too. In the original POTA, Taylor and his crews launched in their ship Icarus in 1972 and crash land in year 3955. They left their 1972 time period when human society was in grip of cold-war like mentality and they possessed special superbombs (Alpha & Omega) capable of wiping out mankind at an instant. In Rise of the POTA, I think that the focus will shift to on viruses instead of nuclear armageddon that will wipe out most of humankind leaving the super intelligent apes to take over the evolutionary niches.
Given how this series isn't exactly known for it's happy endings, anyone else think that IF Franco came back for the sequel that they'd kill him off at the end?
Either that or Cesear dies protecting him from Koba and his 'rebel' group of apes.
I could see that. Franco is called in by the government to find a cure for this new virus he inadvertantly created. The apes could be trying to take him out, or at least kill all the scientists in this new lab where Franco is working. Caesar dies protecting Franco.
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moments in this movie that had my audience gasping. Particulary the "NO!", the scene when the bad guy arrives to the offices and they're looking down on him and when they showed themselves at the top of the building holding spears. 
