Robert Downey Jr. Is Dr. Doom / Victor Von Doom - "Same task, new mask"

[MessiahDecoy123]

So a variant Doom during a multiverse war is the final version of Doom.

That makes zero sense.

 

[Venom 1988]

So a variant Doom during a multiverse war is the final version of Doom.

That makes zero sense.

As much sense as a variant FF being the main MCU versions.

 

[Iceman]

Maybe he never wears the mask but shows RDJ's face the whole time. That is more likely.

RDJ would lose 70% of his MCU cool points accumulated over all these years if he played a Doom that never puts his mask on.

 

[Breogan]

Why does RDJ playing Dr. Doom as an Alt.U Tony Stark variant, seem familiar?

1975: Why does Iron-Man look like Dr. Doom?
2024: Why does Dr. Doom look like Iron-Man?
It's so weird to see 1975 Mego Iron-Man retroactively becoming canon, as apparently reality and the MCU implodes in on itself.

 

[Iceman]

I believe that this is it as far as Doom goes and there won’t be another. That said there is the smallest chance that if fans see the movie, hate what they do, and make a big enough fuss about it you could see a Mandarin style attempt to make it up to fans.

I think it would be different as redoing a character who is that high profile (as the main villain of 2 MCU-wide Avengers event films) and failed would be a hard sell. Actually even more so given the character has been a joke in every live action iteration that the GA might have seen. At least the live action Mandarin wasn't as memorable for the GA to allow a vastly different version.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I don’t see why he has to be an Iron Man variant?

Think about

Spoiler

Chris Evans in Deadpool, he’s playing Johnny Storm, a completely different character in the MCU.

They can easily pass it off with the multiverse. Also Doom is primarily masked and heavily scarred.

I’d prefer it if he wasn’t but even if he is an Iron Man variant, once the MCU resets at the end of Secret Wars I imagine all characters will be up for grabs again. So we will likely see an MCU Von Doom at that point anyway.

Marvel wants you to associate RDJ with Iron Man as this version of Iron Doom. It isn't an accident they cast Iron Man. As for a reset, this is our Doom story. I am sure a new Doom will happen in like 20 years or whatever, but they're not punting Doom down the road. He isn't a place holder. He is Doom. And it sucks

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Alot of people betting against the Russos but it all comes down to execution.

Let's be honest, the time machine plot device in Endgame was goofy as heck. The Russos pulled it off.

Only a subset of fanboys were excited about the Multiverse Saga and Kang. We were heading towards Rise of Skywalker territory. The general audience is back on board thanks to this news and Deadpool 3.

Phase 5 ends on shaky ground with Cap 4 and Thunderbolts but phase 6 looks promising.

The Russos are going to make Iron Doom scary asf. The potential is there. At least wait until until the first Doom trailer before you write off this variant completely.

 

[Drizzle]

I really have my doubts that RDJ will be sticking around for the long haul to play Doom. They'll have a proper non-Stark version later on provided it's not too late and the MCU is still around.

 

[Frodo]

Jeremy Jahns sums up some of my own feelings on the RDJ Doom casting in his new video.

I won't post the video due to some of the language, but it's worth checking out.

 

[Comicbookguy339]

That's a reason but what more directly lead to this was pivoting away from Kang as a result of Jonathan Majors being a terrible person and audiences not responding well to Quantumania. What Marvel should have done was recast and strive to right the ship with Kang but instead they're all in on Doom as the main villain of Avengers 5. Which I guess makes sense, but having RDJ play him is lunacy and desperation all wrapped up in the same package. If they had marched, say, Cillian Murphy out on that stage who's quite literally in the same boat as RDJ by having just won an Oscar for one of the biggest movies last year, there would have been much more of a positive response.

This is what they would have done back in the old days but the last few years have clearly scared them and they've become reactionary.

Also agree about the reaction being different if it was Cillian Murphy or pretty much any actor other than RDJ.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

As much sense as a variant FF being the main MCU versions.

Bro, Dr Doom travels multiverses like it's nothing.

It's child's play for Doom to enter another dimension/universe.

 

[Venom 1988]

Bro, Dr Doom travels multiverses like it's nothing.

It's child's play for Doom to enter another dimension/universe.

Your point being? It still doesn't change the fact that he's the MCU Doom.

This is like the whole MJ denial. You don't cast Zendaya as MJ just for the "real" MJ to pop up in a later movie. You don't cast RDJ as Doom and make a big parade about it at SDCC just to have the "real" Doom pop up in another movie in a couple of years.

 

[CB Fan]

So a variant Doom during a multiverse war is the final version of Doom.

That makes zero sense.

Well per Feige a multiverse version of Norman Osborne is the final version…

 

[Chip Chipperson]

Deadpool self proclaims he’s Marvel Jesus and not even 3 days later, the ego of Robert Downey Jr resurrects itself

It’s like poetry, it rhymes

 

[Spider-Fan]

So a variant Doom during a multiverse war is the final version of Doom.

That makes zero sense.

It's what's happening. Enjoy!

 

[Drizzle]

This is what they would have done back in the old days but the last few years have clearly scared them and they've become reactionary.

Which I totally get, but at the end of the day it wouldn't have been some impossible task for them because people still would have shown up for it due to it being an Avengers movie. A Kang recast and reworking plus making sure fan favorites like Spider-Man, Deadpool, etc. were in it along with the newbies would have been enough for people to get excited about Kang Dynasty.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Your point being? It still doesn't change the fact that he's the MCU Doom.

This is like the whole MJ denial. You don't cast Zendaya as MJ just for the "real" MJ to pop up in a later movie. You don't cast RDJ as Doom and make a big parade about it at SDCC just to have the "real" Doom pop up in another movie in a couple of years.

Everyone is definitely in denial if they think a new Doom is coming. They're not wasting the villain spot for their first 2 movie event since Endgame on a temp version. Anyone who thinks otherwise is fooling themselves

 

[Arachnerd]

Jeremy Jahns sums up some of my own feelings on the RDJ Doom casting in his new video.

I won't post the video due to some of the language, but it's worth checking out.

Just watched it, he brought up a lot of good points. Which is why I'm all the more disappointed at Dan Murrell's reaction to the news since he's usually levelheaded, but in this instance his opinion came across as super naive and leaning on blind optimism which perplexed me.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Your point being? It still doesn't change the fact that he's the MCU Doom.

This is like the whole MJ denial. You don't cast Zendaya as MJ just for the "real" MJ to pop up in a later movie. You don't cast RDJ as Doom and make a big parade about it at SDCC just to have the "real" Doom pop up in another movie in a couple of years.

What do you mean?

The Multiverse concept exist within the MCU.

So all the Loki's were MCU Loki's.

I'm just saying Iron Doom breaking into the main verse (616) from another dimension is plausible.

 

[Venom 1988]

What do you mean?

The Multiverse concept exist within the MCU.

So all the Loki's were MCU Loki's.

I'm just saying Iron Doom breaking into the main verse (616) from another dimension is plausible.

That's fine? I don't know what this has to do with his casting.

 

[Drizzle]

Everyone is definitely in denial if they think a new Doom is coming. They're not wasting the villain spot for their first 2 movie event sincd Endgame on a temp version. Anyone who thinks otherwise is fooling themselves

Which is understandable, but I also have my doubts that RDJ will be sticking around beyond Secret Wars. Which leads me to speculate that if RDJ isn't planning on being around for the long haul and there won't be a different actor for Doom afterwards then there could very well be a total reset of the MCU as we know it after Phase 6 is done. Out of those three scenarios, bringing in a new Doom after Phase 6 seems likeliest to me.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Everyone is definitely in denial if they think a new Doom is coming. They're not wasting the villain spot for their first 2 movie event sincd Endgame on a temp version. Anyone who thinks otherwise is fooling themselves

We don't know. The final draft of these movies are not even done.

You're basically saying it's impossible to write in the real Doom within 6 hours of runtime (FF, Doomsday, Secret Wars).

Anything is possible.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Which is understandable, but I also have my doubts that RDJ will be sticking around beyond Secret Wars. Which leads me to speculate that if RDJ isn't planning on being around for the long haul and there won't be a different actor for Doom afterwards then there could very well be a total reset of the MCU as we know it after Phase 6 is done. Out of those three scenarios, bringing in a new Doom after Phase 6 seems likeliest to me.

Oh I doubt RDJ is sticking around after Secret Wars. So yall just gotta get used to this being your Doctor Doom story. He isn't going to be like Loki and be in loads of projects for 20 years. This is it. That's the price you pay to rush Doom out there for Secret Wars. I hope everyone is happy

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Jeremy Jahns sums up some of my own feelings on the RDJ Doom casting in his new video.

I won't post the video due to some of the language, but it's worth checking out.

He basically copy and pasted points made on nerd forums.

 

[Arachnerd]

We don't know. The final draft of these movies are not even done.

You're basically saying it's impossible to write in the real Doom within 6 hours of runtime (FF, Doomsday, Secret Wars).

Anything is possible.

You're assuming he'll have a significant part to play to begin with in Fantastic 4. I don't expect him to pop up in anything more than a cliffhanger at the end of that movie.