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A poster over at Marvel.com posted this and I found it interesting. As a 17 year Spider-Man fan who dropped the book after OMD, I find this wonderful.
Sales For Spider-Man pre-OMD to current
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Yeah... sales have fallen half of what they were shortly before OMD and Marvel still thinks this was a good idea.
Honestly, there's talk of Ben coming back in the Spidey titles (at least, Scarlet Spider) and this has me tempted to buy the book again. However, though I've been wanting to see Ben back for years and years, I almost hope he doesn't come back so I can keep from buying the book still until the Marraige is fixed. I just hope that if Scarlet does return it isn't Ben, then I don't have to worry about it.
Honestly, there's talk of Ben coming back in the Spidey titles (at least, Scarlet Spider) and this has me tempted to buy the book again. However, though I've been wanting to see Ben back for years and years, I almost hope he doesn't come back so I can keep from buying the book still until the Marraige is fixed. I just hope that if Scarlet does return it isn't Ben, then I don't have to worry about it.
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And this is one of the newest entries in Stan Lee's comic strip, the one that started the whole mess with Spidey getting married. This, I think, was from a few days ago. Basically, Stan followed suit with Marvel and had Peter suddenly never married to MJ back during OMD (If I've read everything right, as I've never actually read this strip). Then this:
He put the marraige back together. Way to go Stan!
He put the marraige back together. Way to go Stan!
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I seem to be on the losing side of things alot. While I don't agree with the way they went about ending the marriage, I prefer a single Peter. They should have never gotten married in the first place, it was just a publicity stunt, much like OMD and BND, yet people are willing to accept THAT stunt over this one. I never bought that MJ was the ONE. She's a great character that should continue to be a part of the Spider-Man mythos, but I see NO reason she should be with Peter.
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We've beaten this dead horse month after month over in the Spider-Man forums, and 2008 turned out to be the best year in total volume of Spider-Man comics sold... yes, it was more than likely because they were all called "Amazing Spider-Man", but the higher sales from before, which also occured when people were spending more money, were also offset by 2 other Spidey books that sold between 25k & 50k... so shareholders will look at "total comics sold", because quite frankly, that's the bottom line... and Marvel, in my opinion, is willing to weather the storm of people leaving the book because they have what they have wanted since 1992, and that's a single Spider-Man... similar to the one that's been seen in all Spider-Forms, like movies and cartoons, and they're more than willing to wait people out... because Spider-Man is bigger than all of us, let alone a small handful bunch of internet babies, and I don't believe things will "revert" any time soon, if ever.
And that... my friendly Jewish Hobbit, is merely my two cents.
Please do the world a favour and learn to spell "Spider-Man" correctly.
Thanks...
And that... my friendly Jewish Hobbit, is merely my two cents.
Fan freaking tastic this is the only way they will pay attention short of going up to JoeyQ and kicking him in the nads and screaming spiderman sucks because of you!
Please do the world a favour and learn to spell "Spider-Man" correctly.
Thanks...
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I think the issue is that if it was fixed back after it happened, it wouldn't be a problem, but a lot of people, myself included, started and grew up reading Peter and MJ as husband and wife. I've been a Spidey fan for around 16 or 17 years and all I know is Peter and MJ. So now it's n longer a publicity stunt and longrunning continuity. MJ as a supporting wife is as much a part of Spider-Man as his webbing or spider-sense is. To remove that and call it a 'mistake' is an insult to God knows how many readers who grew up reading them as a married couple. Lord, the 90's boom and the Movies boom all know them together. That's a LOT of readers to just push aside for the selfish motive of wanting it to be like the 'old days'.
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I knew you couldn't resist a chance to defend OMD/BND
. "Bunch of internet babies", hah, people must not know what the internet is for
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I knew you couldn't resist a chance to defend OMD/BND
I don't defend OMD... it was a terrible story that had some pretty pictures...
But since day one, I decided to give the new direction a chance to see if and/or how they would still fit all of the past continuity into the new direction, and while it took them about as long as I originally thought (12 to 18 months), I'm pleased with how they'd made it work rather than simply stating that the stories of the past didn't count.
And I did state "small handful"...
t: Cheers...
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And I did state "small handful"...
Cheers...
Hah, touche sir
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The one thing that has made Spider-Man so great throughout the years is that we will get change... regardless of it being good and/or bad, that's subjective to the reader, but we get change nonetheless... and sometimes we don't like that change... there might have been readers who wanted Peter & Betty get together lo those many years ago... there are some readers who still believe that Gwen was "Peter's" girl, and they hate that she died... some people hated the black costume that we had to read in a 4 year period, etc... but these changes happened, and it just so happens that what occured in OMD is yet another change in the life of Peter Parker... and it certainly wasn't a nice one... but like all changes in comics, we can choose to continue reading or not... and I have.
Some people haven't. And that's their right to do so.
Some people haven't. And that's their right to do so.
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And this is one of the newest entries in Stan Lee's comic strip, the one that started the whole mess with Spidey getting married. This, I think, was from a few days ago. Basically, Stan followed suit with Marvel and had Peter suddenly never married to MJ back during OMD (If I've read everything right, as I've never actually read this strip). Then this:
He put the marraige back together. Way to go Stan!
This is why he's call Stan "THE MAN" Lee!!!
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We've beaten this dead horse month after month over in the Spider-Man forums, and 2008 turned out to be the best year in total volume of Spider-Man comics sold... yes, it was more than likely because they were all called "Amazing Spider-Man", but the higher sales from before, which also occured when people were spending more money, were also offset by 2 other Spidey books that sold between 25k & 50k... so shareholders will look at "total comics sold", because quite frankly, that's the bottom line... and Marvel, in my opinion, is willing to weather the storm of people leaving the book because they have what they have wanted since 1992, and that's a single Spider-Man... similar to the one that's been seen in all Spider-Forms, like movies and cartoons, and they're more than willing to wait people out... because Spider-Man is bigger than all of us, let alone a small handful bunch of internet babies, and I don't believe things will "revert" any time soon, if ever.
And that... my friendly Jewish Hobbit, is merely my two cents.
Please do the world a favour and learn to spell "Spider-Man" correctly.
Thanks...
Who you calling a babie? Don't be a punk because I don't like a story on principle I don't dis you for liking it do I?
How is that doing the world a favor? I'll type anyway I please it's a freaking message board and spiderman is quicker. Does it hurt your eyes or something then don't look.....BURN!
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We've beaten this dead horse month after month over in the Spider-Man forums, and 2008 turned out to be the best year in total volume of Spider-Man comics sold... yes, it was more than likely because they were all called "Amazing Spider-Man", but the higher sales from before, which also occured when people were spending more money, were also offset by 2 other Spidey books that sold between 25k & 50k... so shareholders will look at "total comics sold", because quite frankly, that's the bottom line... and Marvel, in my opinion, is willing to weather the storm of people leaving the book because they have what they have wanted since 1992, and that's a single Spider-Man... similar to the one that's been seen in all Spider-Forms, like movies and cartoons, and they're more than willing to wait people out... because Spider-Man is bigger than all of us, let alone a small handful bunch of internet babies, and I don't believe things will "revert" any time soon, if ever.
And that... my friendly Jewish Hobbit, is merely my two cents.
Correction...
That is merely the two cents of an old guy who best remembers a single spidey (maybe that old memory of yours can't quite recall all the great married days)
Just kidding, we've gone this round a time or two. I get where you're coming from as you've gotten back the Peter you remember and probably fell in love with first. It's sad that you can't seem to understand why those of us who had the Peter we fell in love with removed in a very underminded way would be as upset as we are.
However, the comment on internet-babies is a bit ******ed and offensive. I mean, I liked the Clone Saga, I liked the Other. I stood by X-Men during all their bad years. I took Bendis and Austen for what they were and enjoyed them.I do my best not to whine and just embrace what comes. This is the first and only time something so bad has happened to make me speak out about it in a fully negative tone. That isn't internet babying, that's someone with a legit reasoning for being upset.
Correction... I did speak out when Cyclops and Emma hooked up and that whole deal, but I got over it. I still don't like her and hope she leaves when Jean comes back, but I've sucked it up and kept going. Maybe because it's still character development even if I don't like it. This thing with Spidey though, it's no development at all and is a 20 year step backwards... not to mention it breaks all trust with Marvel's handling of their characters.
Oh well, as I've said, we've run this circle before. No point in doing it again now.
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The one thing that has made Spider-Man so great throughout the years is that we will get change... regardless of it being good and/or bad, that's subjective to the reader, but we get change nonetheless... and sometimes we don't like that change... there might have been readers who wanted Peter & Betty get together lo those many years ago... there are some readers who still believe that Gwen was "Peter's" girl, and they hate that she died... some people hated the black costume that we had to read in a 4 year period, etc... but these changes happened, and it just so happens that what occured in OMD is yet another change in the life of Peter Parker... and it certainly wasn't a nice one... but like all changes in comics, we can choose to continue reading or not... and I have.
Some people haven't. And that's their right to do so.
I'm all about change, but this was a pointless change. It was a desolving of a character and a return to a point 20 years previous (despite minor details). This was just a move done by some whiny Marvel people who didn't like what happened 20 years ago who obviously doesn't care about the readers who did...
supported by whiney old people who didn't like what happened 20 years ago who obviously don't care about the readers who did
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The math isn't that simple you know. You have to look at it from a business prospective.
Amazing Spider-Man comes out three times a month now compared to once a month and you have to factor in that the two extra issues are replacing Sensational Spider-Man and Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man. The total number of Spider-Man books sold before One More Day (I'm not counting the final issues because the other two Spider-Man books received bumps from One More Day) was 203,326. The current sales for Brand New Day Spider-Man this month is 192,863. It's only slightly lower and for the longest time the sales were higher. You also have to factor in the economy which is showing that sales for comics are going down in general.
So while sales of Amazing Spider-Man have gone down quite a bit, the much higher sales of the second and third issues that month replacing Sensational and Friendly Neighborhood makes up for it. And when you add in the gimmicks like Stephen Colbert, Barack Obama, and Amazing Spider-Man #600, Brand New Day is still a sales success.
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I would also like to add that even though the changes Brand New Day brought totally sucks (getting rid of the marriage and public identity), the stories in Amazing Spider-Man have also been pretty damn good. Slott/Guggenheim/Waid/Kelly and Romita/Jimenez/Kitson/Bachalo/McKone are a pretty damn good team and they got rid of the weaker links like Gale and Wells.
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I didn't personally call you a baby... but I guess you did by assuming that I did...
Learn to read.
You're funny...
For someone who claims to be such a Spider-Man "fan", it's awfully ignorant to type it ala the same way superman is spelled.
You can type it anyway you want... you're just showing you're ignorance.
Carry on...
ps... in case you didn't get it, I just called you ignornant.
Have a nice day.
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I didn't personally call you a baby... but I guess you did by assuming that I did...
Learn to read.
You're funny...
For someone who claims to be such a Spider-Man "fan", it's awfully ignorant to type it ala the same way superman is spelled.
You can type it anyway you want... you're just showing you're ignorance.
Carry on...
ps... in case you didn't get it, I just called you ignornant.
Have a nice day.
Youre quickly becoming my favorite poster on SHH.
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Exactly...
The list below is the total number of Spider-Man books sold since 2000 (by best year to worst), not including Annuals & mini-series. Simply total Spider-Man on-going books...
1. 2008 - 2 854 013 copies (36 issues, 79 278 copies sold (avg) per issue)
2. 2004 - 2 379 700 copies (33 issues, 72 112 copies sold (avg) per issue)
3. 2003 - 2 360 400 copies (31 issues, 76 142 copies sold (avg) per issue)
4. 2002 - 2 279 300 copies (36 issues, 63 314 copies sold (avg) per issue)
5. 2006 - 2 218 500 copies (33 issues, 67 227 copies sold (avg) per issue)
6. 2007 - 2 085 539 copies (26 issues, 80 213 copies sold (avg) per issue)
7. 2005 - 2 039 300 copies (31 issues, 65 784 copies sold (avg) per issue)
8. 2001 - 1 924 400 copies (33 issues, 58 315 copies sold (avg) per issue)
9. 2000 - 1 215 800 copies (24 issues, 50 658 copies sold (avg) per issue)
And before the typical "but let's compare ASM to ASM" people come on board, that still doesn't matter. At the end of the day, Marvel shareholders will look at total volumes of books sold regardless of the adjective that precedes "Spider-Man".
And yes, I acknowledge that the current "3x" per month is a sales gimmick, and it's a damned good one as well.
My numbers were taken from this site...
http://www.cbgxtra.com/Default.aspx?tabid=695
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This is pretty much my opinion. Although Im leaning a little less on how much better these current stories than the ones before OMD. I do appreciate the fact that there is a continuing story going on through the series, and stories like Character Assassination have been pretty good. But there's a retro feel to the book that I don't appreciate as much. It feels sometimes like theyre trying to goad 70s/early 80s Spider-Man too much. Also much of the supporting cast I don't care for. JJJ's dad is cool, though, and its nice when someone like Betty gets some spotlight.
But overall Im digging it and theyve been pretty good with continuity and trying to explain things post OMD. Also, I like Wells, I really wish he got to write more stories in there, his first three parter was probably my favorite in the initial 12 issues. Slott's honestly been ok for me, I think I prefer the other writers (except Gale, that guy sucks).
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