Sea Monster posts culled out of Steve Irwin's Thread

[Dew k. Mosi]

Oh come on, Dew. I'm teaching.

Well, he is not learning, so you are just flaming. If you think he is ignorant, let him have his ignorance. It's what he wants. It's what makes him happy. Who are you to take that from him>

 

[Carcharodon]

I see one evolutionist claiming we come from bacteria which slowly turned into fish and then into reptilfes and all flying things and then rodent like creatures and then chimps and then humans.

Now, i'm see all other sorts of other evolutinists (on this board) claiming we're not sure where we come from--we can from smaller to bigger things, doesn't matter.

Help me out here, I am f**king confused.

That's because it can go both ways. Evolution isn't about getting bigger, nor is it necessarily about getting more and more complex. It's about a genetic shift in populations in order to better survive a given environment. If we could survive more easily and reproduce more easily by being smaller, then you'd see a large increase in the population of short/small people. Doesn't mean the large people (necessarily) would be wiped out. This, coupled with the shorter population continuing to breed leading to genetic isolation, could very well contribute to their, "breaking off," into a new race or even species...over a very, very long period of time. When we can no longer reproduce with them (and create fertile offspring) because they're so genetically different, they've become a new species.

 

[Carcharodon]

Well, he is not learning, so you are just flaming. If you think he is ignorant, let him have his ignorance. It's what he wants. It's what makes him happy. Who are you to take that from him>

What if I were Jesus, huh? I bet you'd feel pretty bad talking to your savior that way.

 

[HellOnEarth]

For example like marine animals.

Did sea elephants, mantees, start from land and slowly grew flippers and then lived in the ocean?

Or did these sea cows, slowly grew feet and then learned how to live on land?

They're new species, but they're the same spieces right? Just a little modification here and there.

Can humans turn into a giraffe over a long long period of time?

Where is the point of origin? Where did we start from?

 

[Cyclops]

Without having been there at the origin, no one can ever claim to know where life started. It's impossible. One can speak in terms of theories and postulations, but never definitive facts because not a one of us was around at the dawn of life.

Though we can examine what is here in front of us, in both life as it is and life as it was in the fossil record and come to educated solutions as to what may have happened.

But examining bogus photos, spouting out WTFs in abundance and making illogical, confrontational statements does not do anything to disprove any theories about evolution. If you can come up with serious scientific documents and evidences that support your position, then your point of view will be treated seriously.

Until then, it is naught but as Shakespeare said, "A sound and a fury" if you catch my drift.

 

[HellOnEarth]

hmm... interesting.

I thought creationists were raving lunatics. Isn't that what you said?

 

[Cyclops]

They're new species, but they're the same spieces right? Just a little modification here and there.

Can humans turn into a giraffe over a long long period of time?

It is impossible to recreate species. Giraffes already developed. There is no way for them to develop all over again.

 

[Dew k. Mosi]

What if I were Jesus, huh? I bet you'd feel pretty bad talking to your savior that way.

I would make you cut your hair and get a real job, you hippie

 

[HellOnEarth]

I believe they can.

That is what evolution is, my friend.

That a rock for example, after a very long period of time, and can turn into something more.

Or piece of bacteria.

 

[Carcharodon]

They're new species, but they're the same spieces right? Just a little modification here and there.

Can humans turn into a giraffe over a long long period of time?

No...but if needed, they could walk on all-fours and grow fur and grow elongated necks...not that that would ever happen. Humans, as it stands, are perfectly suited to their environment (because they have the power to alter their environment).

 

[HellOnEarth]

It's also interesting that even with all this technology, man can not recreate a living cell...

Man is puny.

 

[HellOnEarth]

No...but if needed, they could walk on all-fours and grow fur and grow elongated necks...not that that would ever happen. Humans, as it stands, are perfectly suited to their environment (because they have the power to alter their environment).

I think you've read too much science fiction book, kid.

Or Greek Mythology.

 

[Carcharodon]

I believe they can.

That is what evolution is, my friend.

That a rock for example, after a very long period of time, and can turn into something more.

Or piece of bacteria.

...that's not what evolution is. Rocks do transform, but not into living organisms. Now, what's debatable is this: could materials in the rock give rise to an organism? All of the right chemicals would have to be there (the chance is almost nonexistant).

THAT is the debate that creationists and evolution advocates debate. Evolution is scientifically sound, and no evidence has come into light that could shake its foundations. However: the very beginning is what raises the real questions.

 

[Carcharodon]

I think you've read too much science fiction book, kid.

Or Greek Mythology.

Hey, if the genes are there (by mutation or recessive traits) and they prove useful in a given environment: who knows? It could happen. The key is this, though: the genes have to exist in the first place.

 

[HellOnEarth]

...that's not what evolution is. Rocks do transform, but not into living organisms. Now, what's debatable is this: could materials in the rock give rise to an organism? All of the right chemicals would have to be there (the chance is almost nonexistant).

THAT is the debate that creationists and evolution advocates debate. Evolution is scientifically sound, and no evidence has come into light that could shake its foundations. However: the very beginning is what raises the real questions.

No.

Rocks can transform into living organisms. The same as mud.

Don't you read the Bible?

Spontaneous generation does exist, kiddo.

 

[Carcharodon]

No.

Rocks can transform into living organisms. The same as mud.

Don't you read the Bible?

Spontaneous generation does exist, kiddo.

I'm sure it does. I just don't think is has to be from divine influence. Somebody's been reading too much Bible...

 

[Carcharodon]

I would make you cut your hair and get a real job, you hippie

Well YOU don't get to come to the promised land when I ride down on my spaceship and save the chosen ones from certain damnation.

 

[HellOnEarth]

How do you think this Universe was created? Ever heard of the Big Bang?

DUN DUN DUN!!

Spontaneous Generation

 

[Cyclops]

I believe they can.

That is what evolution is, my friend.

That a rock for example, after a very long period of time, and can turn into something more.

Or piece of bacteria.

No it's not. Don't go trying to disprove something that you don't understand. Could a species morphologically similar to a giraffe develop? Possibly. It's clearly been shown in the past that there were other animals with distinct similarities to giraffes that share no common ancestry.

However, to say that something could develop into a completely identical species that already exists is impossible.

If, for example, pigs developed the need to become faster runners, they could develop longer legs and more streamlined bodies designed for running, but they would never develop into a species that is interbreedable with horses. They may look similar to horses, but they would not be the same species.

If you wish to disprove evolution, read up on it. Understand the principles, the evidence, and the history. Until then, you won't come close to disproving anything.

 

[Cyclops]

Well YOU don't get to come to the promised land when I ride down on my spaceship and save the chosen ones from certain damnation.

Xenu? Is that you?

 

[HellOnEarth]

I am talking about macro-evolution here.

You know what macro is right?!!

 

[Carcharodon]

How do you think this Universe was created? Ever heard of the Big Bang?

Yes. An infintecimal point of pure energy that erupted outwards at many times the speed of light, the, "cooling and slowing," of which yielded matter in the form of simple atoms (Hydrogen). These particles formed spinning disks, the largest clusters of which formed huge, cosmic fusion-reactors: suns. The process of fusion then lead to the creation of all other elemental forms of matter (it's estimated that 98% of matter in the universe is Hydrogen + Helium). Blah blah blah, here we are today.

 

[HellOnEarth]

Yea, but where did pure energy, light, atoms (hydrogen) particles, cosmis fusion-reactors, suns, all come from?

DUN DUN DUN!

Spontaneous Generation

 

[Erundur]

Aberdeen rules!

 

[Cyclops]

I am talking about macro-evolution here.

You know what macro is right?!!

Do you?