Should the US control the internet to protect people?

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  1. SoulManX

    SoulManX The Inspector!

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    NEW YORK (AP) - Debate over U.S. control of core Internet systems threatens to overtake an international meeting in Brazil next week that was meant to cover topics including spam, free speech and cheaper access. The Internet Governance Forum is the result of a compromise world leaders reached at a U.N. summit in Tunisia two years ago. They agreed to let the United States remain in charge.


    But they established an annual forum to discuss emerging issues, including whether control of how Internet addresses are assigned—and thus how people use the Internet—should remain with the U.S. government and an American nonprofit.


    Many countries complained U.S. dominance wasn't discussed enough during the first forum last year, in Athens. In meetings leading to the second round opening in Rio de Janeiro on Monday, China, Iran, Russia and Brazil, among others, won an opening-day panel devoted to "critical Internet resources."
    Some governments are seeking more concrete results, such as a chairman's statement or negotiated agreement on next steps, though U.S. and U.N. leaders cautioned that specific decisions are unlikely and even inappropriate.


    "If last year was viewed as a trial run, this year is in a sense a bit more important," said Michael Geist, a law professor at the University of Ottawa in Canada. "If little comes out of this, I think there will be growing concern that the IGF is little more than a talk shop and a place to meet."
    Some governments, particularly in developing countries, sought to strip the United States of its oversight so they could have more say over such policies as domain names in languages other than English.


    They failed—at the U.N. World Summit on the Information Society, first in Geneva in 2003, then in Tunis in 2005—and some worry that attempts to renew the debate in Rio would overshadow the rest of the forum's agenda.
    "What will be a shame is a repeat of Tunis pushing out these important issues," said Emily Taylor, director of legal and policy for Nominet, which operates Britain's ".uk" domain. "These were very, very hot issues during the world summit, issues over which people violently disagreed."
    The four-day forum, with as many as 2,000 representatives expected from government, business and the civil society, is packed with parallel sessions on network security, fighting child pornography, the cost of access, language diversity, privacy and human rights.


    A key theme is how to bring the Internet to the next billion people.
    But much of the attention is on domain names, the monikers after the "dot" that are crucial for computers to find Web sites and route e- mail. By controlling the core systems, the United States indirectly influences much of the Internet.
    The U.S. government, which funded much of the Internet's early development, retains veto power over the California-based nonprofit it selected in 1998 to oversee domain name policies, the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers, or ICANN.


    It's not clear how strongly critics of the status quo will push for change. Many recognize that world leaders have committed to holding the forum annually for five years, but they want to see some progress this year before heading to India next year and Egypt in 2009 (Lithuania and Azerbaijan both made bids for the final round in 2010).
    "Let's progress slowly but that's not to say go backwards or just spin our wheels," said Hadil da Rocha Vianna, co-chairman of the forum's advisory group and director of science and technology at Brazil's foreign ministry. "So in Rio, the concrete results would be to advance in these debates, deepening themes debated in Athens."


    Markus Kummer, the U.N. official who heads the forum's secretariat, said he has tried to temper expectations, stressing that the Tunis document creating the forum "clearly states it's not here to make decisions."
    "I don't expect the meetings to change the world and come up with some real, major new decision on the re-architecture of this or that," Kummer said. "But I expect interesting meetings and interesting discussions (to improve) understanding of how the Internet works and what can be done to make it safer."


    Kummer said participants are free and encouraged to take what they learn to other venues, such as national legislatures or international, treaty-based bodies where change is possible—including the U.S. Congress and American government agencies because the United States must agree to let go.
    U.S. Ambassador David Gross, the State Department's coordinator for international communications and information policy, said participants range from government officials to individuals representing just themselves or millions of people.


    "Everyone has an equal opportunity to participate," he said, making the forum "a very poor vehicle for anyone who would seek to come to any consensus, decision-making process."
    Nominet's Taylor said success can be defined by the substance in dialogue and the exchange of good practices—not necessarily binding decisions or recommendations.


    U.S. and ICANN officials say they welcome any discussions about their role over domain names as long as participants aren't seeking specific action, as they had at the U.N. summit.
    "It's fine to have the panel, and it's fine to have the discussions about it," said Theresa Swinehart, ICANN's vice president for global and strategic partnership. "But for the forum to start going into a direction that ends up coming out with recommendations, it would result in becoming four days of negotiating text.


    "That would defeat the purpose," she continued. "You lose the entire benefit of information-sharing. People would hold back on what they are saying."
     
  2. GoldenAgeHero

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    wtf?! the governments needs to stay the **** away from the internet. the only thing i want is cheaper acess to broadband.
     
  3. YsoSerious

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    No and neither should Sony
     
  4. SoulManX

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    Don't you want your government to protect you at all cost:o
     
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    Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety - Ben Franklin
     
  6. SoulManX

    SoulManX The Inspector!

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    Times have changed Ben:o
     
  7. YsoSerious

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    I fear that in the interest of better security and safety we will willingly give up all of our rights until we have none left.
     
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    Speak for yourself. I won't
     
  9. Superhobo

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    Times have changed. People haven't. Truth.
     
  10. xXx

    xXx BAM!

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    ...no...
     
  11. Harlekin

    Harlekin Business

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    About damn time.
     
  12. YsoSerious

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    The government shouldnt control the internet to protect people.It should control people to protect the internet.
     
  13. the_ultimate_evil

    the_ultimate_evil CURSE YOU GIN MONKEY.

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    hell no, its bad enough they try and region code sites.
     
  14. raybia

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    Who is going to protect the people from the Government?
     
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    no thats Jesus's job.
     
  16. SoulManX

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    Come on this is the great government in the world...why would we need protect from it:o
     
  17. Why Are You Crouching Spock?

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    Those in power should be scrutinized and observed more so than the people they observe.
     
  18. Ghostvirus

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    IF they get a hold of the internet. Then I will no longer use the internet. Simple as that.
     
  19. Eggyman

    Eggyman The Oval Avenger

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    I think they should just try and rape one thing at a time; once they control the oil, then they should set their sights on the internet.

    Oh, and blackhardknight, please stop shouting. ;)
     
  20. raybia

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    Obviously we know what you support however do you know what you sound like?

    See, Malcolm X explained during slavery there were two kinds of slaves, the house Negro and the field Negro. The house Negroes — they lived in the house with master, they dressed pretty good, they ate good because they ate his food — what he left. They lived in the attic or the basement, but still they lived near the master; and they loved the master more than the master loved himself. They would give their life to save the master's house — quicker than the master would. If the master said, "We got a good house here," the house Negro would say, "Yeah, we got a good house here." Whenever the master said "we," he said "we." That's how you can tell a house Negro.

    If the master's house caught on fire, the house Negro would fight harder to put the blaze out than the master would. If the master got sick, the house Negro would say, "What's the matter, boss, we sick?" We sick! He identified himself with his master, more than his master identified with himself. And if you came to the house Negro and said, "Let's run away, let's escape, let's separate," the house Negro would look at you and say, "Man, you crazy. What you mean, separate? Where is there a better house than this? Where can I wear better clothes than this? Where can I eat better food than this?" That was that house Negro and we still got some house negroes running around here.

    Now I not saying you are black or making a racial thing out of this, but what I am saying is that you seem to have the house negro mentality by being blind to what the U.S. Government is doing to its people and in fact supporting what they are doing. That makes you as dangerous as them.
     
  21. Eggyman

    Eggyman The Oval Avenger

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    Brilliant post. Ignorance is bliss . . .
     
  22. Arkady Rossovich

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    You can't control the internet,it's gotten to immense.The best you can do is tell children to be carefull.
     
  23. xwolverine2

    xwolverine2 Arkham Assassin

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  24. 04nbod

    04nbod I need to debrief you

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    I see 1984 on the horizon. Control of the free flow of information is where it begins :(
     
  25. Sloth7d

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    You are now my favorite poster on the hype... besides myself ofcourse.
     

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