Comics Spider-Man 3 - The Effect.

[MyPokerShirt]

http://www.apple.com/trailers/sony_pictures/spider-man_3/

The new Spider-Man 3 trailer has officially been released. What effect do you see it having on the comics?

The main one would have to be the return of Eddie Brock, which would probably (and unfortunately) be an inevitability now.

Also i suppose we'll be seeing Sandman soon enough? (Whatever happened to him, last i head he was working for Silver Sable)

Or is this view simply too cynical? I hear there's a mini-series next year that's supposed to take Spider-Man back to his old powers some more, so will we see the return of the webshooters? If i were being cynical i'd say the movie would prevent this particular change.

What do you guys think?

 

[Jack O Lantern]

The trailer isn't working for me

 

[Citizen_Kaine]

http://www.apple.com/trailers/sony_pictures/spider-man_3/

The new Spider-Man 3 trailer has officially been released. What effect do you see it having on the comics?

The main one would have to be the return of Eddie Brock, which would probably (and unfortunately) be an inevitability now.

Also i suppose we'll be seeing Sandman soon enough? (Whatever happened to him, last i head he was working for Silver Sable)

Or is this view simply too cynical? I hear there's a mini-series next year that's supposed to take Spider-Man back to his old powers some more, so will we see the return of the webshooters? If i were being cynical i'd say the movie would prevent this particular change.

What do you guys think?

Brock comes back, Sandman gets an arc, something involving Gwen, Harry shows up dressed as a snowboarder and MJ returns from whatever Joey Q has done to her at the time

 

[MyPokerShirt]

something involving Gwen

the stacy twins!

and i guess the trailer shows that harry's not exactly the next goblin, hob- or green-...
shame.

 

[Captivated]

I loved the trailer... but it looks kinda dark and depressing.

The only effect I want is for Peter AND MJ to stay SOLID as a fundamental part of the comics.

 

[MyPokerShirt]

hmm, but i bet its more doom and gloom, gwen dies and peter decides he cant be with MJ at the end of the movie so it cant be good for the marriage in the 616 universe comics.

Also, side topic: anyone think they screwed up the classic black and white costume?? Maybe they would have had to pay royalties out to whoever created the original design for spider-woman (who it was based on). they literally just spray-painted it black -- URGH.

i find it interesting toby looks more like the college era peter of the comics though. i like that at least.

 

[Captivated]

I added some of my favorite SM3 Trailer images to my Spidey (MAC) screensaver... I'm up to 38 images now, mostly from the comics.

I manipulated the last pic to blend in with the others a little better.

 

[Captivated]

hmm, but i bet its more doom and gloom, gwen dies and peter decides he cant be with MJ at the end of the movie so it cant be good for the marriage in the 616 universe comics.

That would so SERIOUSLY SUCK!!!!

Trust me... don't read this if you're avoiding spoilers...

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I unfortunatly have read (from what has proved to be a very reliable source) that MJ does not die in SM3, but it's questionable if the character will be back for SM4... because the end of SM3 is much like SM1

IMO we've already been there, done that... and it was ok once... AGAIN is going to be totally tedious and a real DOWNER!

Reading that REALLY depressed me... The ending is the one thing I disliked about the first movie. Spider-Man 2 ROCKED MY WORLD, and it was the ending that was so exhilarating... I don't want this one to ruin that.

And - though I doubt it means to - I don't want the movie to make it easier for them to distroy the marriage in the comics.

 

[The Joker]

You really care for the Peter/MJ relationship don't you Captivated I just wish the comics writers would write them the way Castro does.

Now that is a believable marriage.

As for the topic of this thread, the movies shouldn't have ANY influence on the comics, other than maybe a little promotion of the villains featured in the movie.

 

[Jack O Lantern]

That would so SERIOUSLY SUCK!!!!

Trust me... don't read this if you're avoiding spoilers...

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I unfortunatly have read (from what has proved to be a very reliable source) that MJ does not die in SM3, but it's questionable if the character will be back for SM4... because the end of SM3 is much like SM1

IMO we've already been there, done that... and it was ok once... AGAIN is going to be totally tedious and a real DOWNER!

Reading that REALLY depressed me... The ending is the one thing I disliked about the first movie. Spider-Man 2 ROCKED MY WORLD, and it was the ending that was so exhilarating... I don't want this one to ruin that.

And - though I doubt it means to - I don't want the movie to make it easier for them to distroy the marriage in the comics.

First of may I say that that trailer makes Spider-Man 3 look like an epic movie

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As for captivated posts I think thats more down to the Dunst than what Raimi wants, which is why he's throwing in Gwen

 

[Captivated]

You really care for the Peter/MJ relationship don't you Captivated I just wish the comics writers would write them the way Castro does.

Now that is a believable marriage.

As for the topic of this thread, the movies shouldn't have ANY influence on the comics, other than maybe a little promotion of the villains featured in the movie.

How right you are... on all counts.

But I think it's likely that if the movie is as wildly popular as the others, there will be an influence.

I'm just tired of the comics -- and by the looks of that trailer, the movie -- being more depressing than uplifting.

 

[Kraven]

I added some of my favorite SM3 Trailer images to my Spidey (MAC) screensaver... I'm up to 38 images now, mostly from the comics.

I manipulated the last pic to blend in with the others a little better.

These two are definately my favorites, really awesome.

 

[MyPokerShirt]

How right you are... on all counts.

But I think it's likely that if the movie is as wildly popular as the others, there will be an influence.

I'm just tired of the comics -- and by the looks of that trailer, the movie -- being more depressing than uplifting.

Although not a dark book like punisher or wolverine has been at times, Spider-Man is the original tragedy of the comics biz. Things havta go wrong for pete unfortunately. Personally its what originally drove my love for the character -- always coming back, kicking ass and doing what's right no matter what was thrown at him. Its just unfortunate, therefore, that depression is never too far behind an uplifting story...

 

[MyPokerShirt]

Do you guys like the suit then? I think the web shooters coulda at least been in the right place (note: theyre on the back of the hands with the symbiote, for those few that may not have known)

 

[Citizen_Kaine]

If they had tweaked the chest and back Spider just a little bit, it would be sweet, but like someone said earlier, it looks like he spraypainted his costume black, casual fans will probably be wondering why Spidey's gone emo

 

[Mara Jane]

Cap:

I'm worried about the same thing.

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I'm pretty sure that MJ's going to turn away from Pete - after all the horrible things he does under the influence. To be honest, I don't mind it in the sense that MJ has turned away from Pete in the comics, rejecting his first proposal. And assuming that they do plan to make 6 movies, this does keep the suspense of their relationship going. I wouldn't even mind if MJ has a very small part - or no part - in the next movie, kinda like when she was gone for a time in the comics while Pete dated Felicia.

On the other hand, it would really peeve me off if Marvel used this as an excuse to write MJ out of the mainstream comics altogether, given that they are looking for excuses. I want to see them stay together as much as you do, and want them to be married on a hilltop by the end of the last movie. Even if she's gone for a while in the next movie, she does need to come back and reconnect with Pete (likely with a new actress playing her part). My biggest concern is once Raimi is off, will the next director follow this vision?

 

[stillanerd]

That would so SERIOUSLY SUCK!!!!

Trust me... don't read this if you're avoiding spoilers...

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I unfortunatly have read (from what has proved to be a very reliable source) that MJ does not die in SM3, but it's questionable if the character will be back for SM4... because the end of SM3 is much like SM1

IMO we've already been there, done that... and it was ok once... AGAIN is going to be totally tedious and a real DOWNER!

Reading that REALLY depressed me... The ending is the one thing I disliked about the first movie. Spider-Man 2 ROCKED MY WORLD, and it was the ending that was so exhilarating... I don't want this one to ruin that.

And - though I doubt it means to - I don't want the movie to make it easier for them to distroy the marriage in the comics.

I thought they would take that road. Remember, Captivated how I thought that

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Spider-Man 3 may not have MJ die but instead could have something were Peter and MJ part ways, with MJ going off to LA or something, but that they still love each other and that it's because of the love they had shared that both of them have grown stronger as people--

you know, typical Hollywood bull crap. I bet that's what going to happen by movie's end. Still, I'd rather have

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a living MJ seperated from Peter than a MJ who's dead.

Looking at the trailer, it seems pretty clear that the summary and the Q&A posted on the Spider-Man 3 spoilers forum were pretty much legit. There have been far too many things coming out that seem to confirm those two things, and the trailer definately has scenes which seem to match the summary and the Q&A. Such as

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The Bell Tower, the first Peter vs. Harry fight, Peter and Gwen at the club, "the subway, the armored car heist, etc. There's also still shots (not in the trailer) that seems to suggest the "Spider-Man Day" scenes

Some of my concerns about the film are:

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Harry Osborn's "snowboarder" Green Goblin. Man, that "costume" sucked. I hope he puts on the full Green Goblin costume at the end.

They better not make Flint Marko, a.k.a. the Sandman the real killer of Uncle Ben. Not only does that smack of Tim Burton's Batman with the Joker killing Bruce Wayne's parents, but it also severely undercuts the notion that Peter was indirectly responsible for Uncle Ben's death by letting the thief who stole the ticket receipts go. If Marko's the killer, then it absolves Peter of that motivating guilt.

Looks like Raimi and company gave MJ and Gwen a "brain transplant." The movie version of Mary Jane has the comic MJ's troubled past with her family, the comic MJ's career as an actress, but comic Gwen's personality of the sweet and spicy "girl next door" with a bit of a temper and a heart of gold, while Movie Gwen looks to have comic Gwen's background as the daughter of a police captain, comic Gwen's role as a fellow science whiz, but comic MJ's personality as a flirtacious, hot-to-trot party girl--you know, so "Dark Peter" can fall prey to his temptations just like Superman did in Superman III.

And yes, it DOES look like they've taken the "evil Superman" subplot form Superman III for this movie. Not to mention the Spider-Man cartoon, since Peter Parker when wearing the symbiote never became "evil" as far as I know.

Also, I'm getting the feeling that not only Harry will die, but so will Aunt May, although I've read some things that the later death is not the case.

Still, I liked the first two films, so maybe third time's the charm.

 

[Captivated]

Cap:

I'm worried about the same thing.

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I'm pretty sure that MJ's going to turn away from Pete - after all the horrible things he does under the influence. To be honest, I don't mind it in the sense that MJ has turned away from Pete in the comics, rejecting his first proposal. And assuming that they do plan to make 6 movies, this does keep the suspense of their relationship going. I wouldn't even mind if MJ has a very small part - or no part - in the next movie, kinda like when she was gone for a time in the comics while Pete dated Felicia.

So we're on the same worry page.

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I would REALLY hate it if they have Peter cross that "cheating" line -- EVEN under the "influence." That's not something I want to see. It didn't happen in the comics either. A dance... a kiss... but they better CLEARLY not imply more.

I think your accessment may be right... that SHE turns from him, like in the comics. But they can't do the "I've got too much to do first..." angle, and she's already been kidnapped, dropped, and toasted by supervillains so they can't do the "I didn't know how dangerous this could be" angle... And there is NO "you cheated on me" angle in the comics! So how is it going to go down?

The love story is a highlight for me... And they have made such a BIG DEAL out of his relationship with Mary Jane in the movies, it's going to be hard to back peddle now without an ICK factor. Even if they're following the comics somewhat, it's going to be depressing for them to part again... And the movies come out too few and far between...

IMO, the worst (read boring) stories in the comics were those strange years when Peter was not involved with anyone special.

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On the other hand, it would really peeve me off if Marvel used this as an excuse to write MJ out of the mainstream comics altogether, given that they are looking for excuses. I want to see them stay together as much as you do, and want them to be married on a hilltop by the end of the last movie. Even if she's gone for a while in the next movie, she does need to come back and reconnect with Pete (likely with a new actress playing her part). My biggest concern is once Raimi is off, will the next director follow this vision?

Yeah...

 

[MyPokerShirt]

And yes, it DOES look like they've taken the "evil Superman" subplot form Superman III for this movie. Not to mention the Spider-Man cartoon, since Peter Parker when wearing the symbiote never became "evil" as far as I know.

Nah, in the comics it tried to bond with him perminantly but i think it also made him more aggressive, cos the plot was always that the symbiote feeds off of adrenaline and makes u more aggressive.. i think... dont quote me.lol

 

[Mara Jane]

No. The symbiote didn't make him more aggressive in the comics, only physically stronger. It did control his body while he slept, taking him out for nighttime swings, leaving him completely exhausted. Pete was mostly grossed out knowing that it was a sentient being and began to realize over time that it was getting harder and harder to get the suit off. The symbiote's aggression didn't set in until Eddie Brock had the symbiote, and the symbiote hated Peter for rejecting it.

The aggressive personality in Peter was from the 90's cartoons.

 

[JackSkellington]

Personally, the only good thing I can see coming from next years S-M3 movie, is the fact that'll it force the likes of Sandman & Eddie Brock/Venom back into the comic limelight.
Big thumbs up to that.

 

[MyPokerShirt]

well if ur sure, mara..
jack, im sick of eddie, but sandman is good
hopefully they'll make him his smart jet-flying, silver sable-trained self

 

[JackSkellington]

well if ur sure, mara..
jack, im sick of eddie, but sandman is good
hopefully they'll make him his smart jet-flying, silver sable-trained self

Not being funny...but how can you be sick of Eddie? He's hardly been involved in anything over the last few years & for his last apperance he was in all of 2 issues before 'killing' himself.
If he was being rammed down our thoughts, you could say something, but come on... lol

 

[Mara Jane]

So we're on the same worry page.

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I would REALLY hate it if they have Peter cross that "cheating" line -- EVEN under the "influence." That's not something I want to see. It didn't happen in the comics either. A dance... a kiss... but they better CLEARLY not imply more.

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I agree. This would really upset me, too. Pete's had some borderline moments in the comics, if you count him sleeping with Betty while she was married (which is highly debatable) and when Pete took Felicia back - and slept with her - just as he and MJ were getting close enough for him to propose immediately after Felicia took off. Another possibility, if you believe the leaked movie script, is that Harry forces MJ to break up with Pete by threatening to hurt him, and that's when he gets it on with Gwen. So technically he's not cheating, even though it leaves a nasty taste in the mouth.

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I think your accessment may be right... that SHE turns from him, like in the comics. But they can't do the "I've got too much to do first..." angle, and she's already been kidnapped, dropped, and toasted by supervillains so they can't do the "I didn't know how dangerous this could be" angle... And there is NO "you cheated on me" angle in the comics! So how is it going to go down?

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It might be a "you really hurt me and I need time off" kind of thing. MJ may do a lot of thinking considering that her father, the abusive schmuck, actually defends her when Pete hits her. That's quite a contrast. She may just want to reevaluate where their relationship is going because she left home to get out of an abusive situation, and now she doesn't want to end up in another.

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The love story is a highlight for me... And they have made such a BIG DEAL out of his relationship with Mary Jane in the movies, it's going to be hard to back peddle now without an ICK factor. Even if they're following the comics somewhat, it's going to be depressing for them to part again... And the movies come out too few and far between...

IMO, the worst (read boring) stories in the comics were those strange years when Peter was not involved with anyone special.

Yeah...

I'm there with ya, girl.

 

[MyPokerShirt]

Not being funny...but how can you be sick of Eddie? He's hardly been involved in anything over the last few years & for his last apperance he was in all of 2 issues before 'killing' himself.
If he was being rammed down our thoughts, you could say something, but come on... lol

Because he was waaaaay over done in the 90s and then he HAS been back since as well, but thats y they gave venom a new bloomin host! mark millar knew wat i was talkin about