No Way Home Spider-Man: No Way Home Original Discussion Thread

[Schlosser85]

I didn't feel like Toomes ever hated Peter, he just wanted him to get out of his way.

But maybe he's pissier about sitting in prison for a while and losing his family life and such.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I didn't feel like Toomes ever hated Peter, he just wanted him to get out of his way.

But maybe he's pissier about sitting in prison for a while and losing his family life and such.

Sitting in prison assuming he wasn't snapped for like 10 years will do that.

 

[Toomes' Phone]

Hatred of Spider-Man. Just cause he didn't sell him out doesn't mean he doesn't want revenge still. I could see him taking Sandman's role in the Return of the Sinister Six arc. Maybe he joins and then regrets it later.

Yeah that'd be the best way to go about it. Maybe he switches sides at the end and helps Spidey defeat the other five?

 

[TheVileOne]

It's literally only been done once with Into The Spider-Verse. If you want to count the comics, sure, but I really don't feel there's any reason to feel fatigue over it. Not yet anyway.

I do hope it's a one-and-done kind of deal, if only to give closure to Maguire and Garfield's Spider-Men.

Why do they need closure at all? MCU and Marvel Studios didn't give two hoohoos about giving Amazing Spider-Man closure four years ago.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Why do they need closure at all? MCU and Marvel Studios didn't give two hoohoos about giving Amazing Spider-Man closure four years ago.

As down as I am on this project, but I would like assuming we get a brief epilogue moment of Tobey's Spider-Man going home at the end, give Raimi some input on that scene or whatever his resolution is in the movie. Heck, maybe even let him direct just that scene! Would be a nice bone to throw the man.

 

[Schlosser85]

I felt like Spider-Man 3 gave Maguire decent closure.

 

[Spidey_62]

I mean a big part just comes down to fanservice, I think. If they can tell a good story with it then that would be ideal lol.

 

[TheVileOne]

As down as I am on this project, but I would like assuming we get a brief epilogue moment of Tobey's Spider-Man going home at the end, give Raimi some input on that scene or whatever his resolution is in the movie. Heck, maybe even let him direct just that scene! Would be a nice bone to throw the man.

Going home for what though? I just don't get it. The MCU has never given any indication in the past that the past movies and interpretations were these precious things that were important to the series and franchise overall.

 

[TheVileOne]

I mean a big part just comes down to fanservice, I think. If they can tell a good story with it then that would be ideal lol.

This I don't get. They literally tossed Andrew Garfield and Amazing Spider-man UNCEREMONIOUSLY in the trash. See ya, wouldn't want to be ya. That's exactly what happened. So...what happened?

 

[UltimateWebhead]

I actually thought the idea of Foxx's Electro in ASM2 was good. It's in the execution where they failed. They never did anything interesting with him and gave him some crappy dialogue.

It is a bit of an odd choice to bring him back though out of all the villains from the previous films. Doc Ock and Norman both dead of course but I would have preferred to see either Sandman or Lizard return.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Going home for what though? I just don't get it. The MCU has never given any indication in the past that the past movies and interpretations were these precious things that were important to the series and franchise overall.

No, but if you are going to bring us Tobey or Andrew Spider-Man versions on screen, then do something with them. Don't just have them on screen as furniture, so I think they kind of are obligated to do something brief for each. If you don't, then what is the point of this crossover other than money?

 

[TheVileOne]

No, but if you are going to bring us Tobey or Andrew Spider-Man versions on screen, then do something with them. Don't just have them on screen as furniture, so I think they kind of are obligated to do something brief for each. If you don't, then what is the point of this crossover other than money?

I'm just not sure how they are doing this without just throwing away what was set up in the previous films.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I'm just not sure how they are doing this without just throwing away what was set up in the previous films.

I don't think they are throwing anything away. Unless you do something like make Molina Ock from SM2 an even more evil villain and undermine his arc, then I don't see throwing anything really away. So, just don't do that lol. This will just be some kind of unnecessary detour then. Show us MJ and Peter got married in the Raimi world or something, give Garfield....something? Then just be done lol.

 

[TheVileOne]

I don't think they are throwing anything away. Unless you do something like make Molina Ock from SM2 an even more evil villain and undermine his arc, then I don't see throwing anything really away. So, just don't do that lol. This will just be some kind of unnecessary detour then. Show us MJ and Peter got married in the Raimi world or something, give Garfield....something? Then just be done lol.

It reminds me of the way past movies I feel would brush aside or ignore various subplots or previous films. In Age of Ultron, it felt like the events of Iron Man 3 never took place. And then in Iron Man 3, it feels like midway through they just drop the whole PTSD subplot.

 

[Spider-Fan]

It reminds me of the way past movies I feel would brush aside or ignore various subplots or previous films. In Age of Ultron, it felt like the events of Iron Man 3 never took place. And then in Iron Man 3, it feels like midway through they just drop the whole PTSD subplot.

What subplots in the Raimi films? Those never had on going threads outside of the love story. The Garfield films had all the SS stuff yeah, but since it ain’t his film, they don't have to follow that. I don't think any lingering plot threads there would be relevant to this film save for Electro it seems.

Are you referring to the Peter identity thing from FFH?

 

[Iceman]

I actually thought the idea of Foxx's Electro in ASM2 was good. It's in the execution where they failed. They never did anything interesting with him and gave him some crappy dialogue.

It is a bit of an odd choice to bring him back though out of all the villains from the previous films. Doc Ock and Norman both dead of course but I would have preferred to see either Sandman or Lizard return.

Doc Ock and Norman died such a long time ago that I doubt audiences would hold that against seeing them again. I’d love to see them meet a different Spidey and also the likes of Keaton-Vulture and Gyllenhaal-Mysterio.

 

[Schlosser85]

It reminds me of the way past movies I feel would brush aside or ignore various subplots or previous films. In Age of Ultron, it felt like the events of Iron Man 3 never took place. And then in Iron Man 3, it feels like midway through they just drop the whole PTSD subplot.

Age of Ultron also feels like it sweeps the events of The Winter Soldier under the rug as much as possible. TWS should have ****ed up the status quo way more than subsequent movies felt like they really wanted to deal with it.

 

[TheVileOne]

Age of Ultron also feels like it sweeps the events of The Winter Soldier under the rug as much as possible. TWS should have ****ed up the status quo way more than subsequent movies felt like they really wanted to deal with it.

Fair. Specifically, Nick Fury. I still see no single reason for Nick Fury to come out of hiding in Ultron when he wanted to stay presumed dead for a reason, and he gives the Avengers nothing of substantive value. I thought his scene with Tony Stark was the worst one in the movie. Did he really give Tony any important information he couldn't have figured out on his own?

Not only comes out of hiding, but he's wearing the eyepatch here he ceremoniously destroyed in Winter Soldier again. Happily chugging along at new Avengers HQ. Yeah, they definitely swept all that aside.

 

[Schlosser85]

Fair. Specifically, Nick Fury. I still see no single reason for Nick Fury to come out of hiding in Ultron when he wanted to stay presumed dead for a reason, and he gives the Avengers nothing of substantive value. I thought his scene with Tony Stark was the worst one in the movie. Did he really give Tony any important information he couldn't have figured out on his own?

Not only comes out of hiding, but he's wearing the eyepatch here he ceremoniously destroyed in Winter Soldier again. Happily chugging along at new Avengers HQ. Yeah, they definitely swept all that aside.

In one of the post-TWS movies, doesn't he even conveniently have one last Helicarrier he's still flying around on or something?

 

[TheVileOne]

In one of the post-TWS movies, doesn't he even conveniently have one last Helicarrier he's still flying around on or something?

Yes, but he did say he dragged it out of the mothballs. And it did have that SHIELD tech guy from Winter Soldier working on it.

I mean I didn't think it worked that well but they at least gave a throwaway explanation.

 

[Iceman]

Age of Ultron also feels like it sweeps the events of The Winter Soldier under the rug as much as possible. TWS should have ****ed up the status quo way more than subsequent movies felt like they really wanted to deal with it.

True. Consequences don’t seem to stick hard or long enough on things like this. It was similar for me after CW and Ragnarok.

 

[RiXi]

Closure scenes for Tobey and Andrew?
They can do something brief. Have both of them returning to their respective universes. We see Andrew's walking down the aisle about to marry his MJ (Woodley, maybe). Doubtfully a cameo from Field's May since she said she didn't enjoy making these movies. Then we get a similar scene from PS4 Spidey with Tobey's. We see him and Kirsten's MJ with a 10 year old-ish daughter, all next to Harris' Aunt May on her bed during her last moments, her confessing she's known about his secret for more than a decade and how she's proud for what he's done, before giving her last breath.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Not sure you need to go the aunt may dying route. 1 piece of closure is fine.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I really need some confirmation of the size and scope of any multiverse type shenanigans.

I mean, this was the same line of thinking many had with Mysterio in FFH.

How did that turn out?

So what do we KNOW right now?

@spider-Facan you give me the definites? Foxx is in, Cumberbatch... Is the rest I am hearing true about Maguire and Garfield?

For myself... If there is multiverse stuff I really don't expect anything even close to Spider-Verse. I actually won't be surprised if that stuff at best might rise to "fan service" with little or no impact on the meat of the story.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I really need some confirmation of the size and scope of any multiverse type shenanigans.

I mean, this was the same line of thinking many had with Mysterio in FFH.

How did that turn out?

So what do we KNOW right now?

@spider-Facan you give me the definites? Foxx is in, Cumberbatch... Is the rest I am hearing true about Maguire and Garfield?

For myself... If there is multiverse stuff I really don't expect anything even close to Spider-Verse. I actually won't be surprised if that stuff at best might rise to "fan service" with little or no impact on the meat of the story.

Jamie Foxx is in. Cumberbatch is in. Both confirmed. The Spiderverse stuff and Tobey/Andrew being in it are heavily rumored right now, but not confirmed. But, given what we currently know about phase 4, the rumors appear very likely. But we don't know if Electro is main villain and if he isn't we don't know what other villain(s) may be in it.