No Way Home Spider-Man: No Way Home Original Discussion Thread

[Schlosser85]

I think it’s all but certain at this point.

 

[Spider-Fan]

99.9% at this point

 

[Shikamaru]

Speaking of which, would you guys want to see Tobey and Andrew in any particular comic suits?

Tobey Maguire would be great in the Last Stand suit. It would make sense the most for him to be the one who wears it.

 

[Arachnerd]

Having Tobey's Spider-Man aged up wouldn't be too hard. And having him and Garfield play different versions of Spidey isn't hard either.

Consider this, every new character in the film has their own comic book lore. It's just how it works. Most of the time.

Now having Tobet play let's say a Last Stand/One More Day type of Peter. The Peter who's old and settled down. Loved by everyone. You could have a reference to his older version. But I don't see why you couldn't also give him a new badass suit which still scream Raimi. But also adds lore through just him appearing. It'll give fans a lot to speculate and chew on.

Same with Andrew, I see everyone throwing around the idea of him as PS4 Spider-Man. I wouldn't mind it, but I'd prefer him probably as a TASM Comics-Post Superior Spidey. The Spidey that has all the gadgets and the identity secret. The Parker Industries Peter. Perhaps the three deaths he suffered back to back in the series inspired him to take on a more active role as a hero.

I saw a theory that PS4 Spider-Man would be appearing in Spider-Verse 2. That's why he was recasted. Because the new PS5 mocap actor supposedly has more screen experience. Think this was on Reddit so grain of salt, if anything

Yeah... going to have a very hard disagree here. You either bring them back as their original selves or you don't. I see no point in them playing alternate Spider-Men when exploring what their original selves have been up to since their last movie is infinitely more interesting and fan-pleasing.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Yeah... going to have a very hard disagree here. You either bring them back as their original selves or you don't. I see no point in them playing alternate Spider-Men when exploring what their original selves have been up to since their last movie is infinitely more interesting and fan-pleasing.

Agreed. The idea is non sense. Using Emma Stone as another universe Gwen is fine since she died, but the reason you are using Tobey and Andrew in this is nostalgia and fan service. Which is not necessarily bad, fan service is a tool like anything else. It is neither inherently good or bad. Having Tobey and Andrew be unrelated Spider-Men from other universe goes against the core reason you are doing this in the first place.

In short, can you technically do it? Sure, but it defeats the entire purpose of this crossover.

 

[Airwings]

Well it depends on which Uncle Ben. If it's the one who might've been married to Marisa Tomei, then they only need to age him about 10 years if even that. I don't know how old Aunt May is meant to be in the MCU. Is she 56 like Marisa or younger? And who says Aunt May couldn't have married someone younger? So even the age Maguire is now in his mid 40s could still work.

I think it's clear they would mean Ben from previous versions, especially the Raimiverse one which is where Maguire belongs.
If they would mean another universe's Ben who's not older than Maguire, why would they say they would "age him up" to be like Ben?

 

[GuestStar2004]

You don't need to age Toby up at all. if its true he is meant to resemble MCU uncle ben, then lets remember they have a young Aunt may. so his uncle would probably be around the same age as his aunt.

 

[Airwings]

Yeah... going to have a very hard disagree here. You either bring them back as their original selves or you don't. I see no point in them playing alternate Spider-Men when exploring what their original selves have been up to since their last movie is infinitely more interesting and fan-pleasing.

Agree, It would just be STUPID.
It would also make NO SENSE to have the same actors then.
And third, it would be disrespectful to fans when the truth is revealed.

If the two Spider-Men are versions we haven't seen yet, they could pick just any actors out there who suits playing Spidey. One past 30s, one past 40s.
It won't be hard to find ones who were up for the role once but lost it, or ended up not doing it for other reasons, and now finally can get a crack at playing the character.
Or someone else who would have nailed some aspects of the character when they were younger (like Michael Angarano. Yeah, he could have been quite good!)

If it's star power Sony want, get DiCaprio!!!!!
(Only one other multiverse PP then, he's an expensive actor)

Not try to trick us to watch it because of Maguire and Andrew and their history with the character, but then go "oh, it's not the same Spideys".

 

[ImSGirl95]

I also say 99.9%. Just needing the confirmation from trades.
And yeah, them being different Spideys will be beyond stupid.

Ugghh.. just give us something already, Sony. It's really sad when we know that if this was only a Marvel Studios movie, we would have gotten more news by now, even at this Disney Investor Day. We got a new cast member for Doctor Strange 2 and this is way after Spider-Man 3 releases. And I think we have more Thor 4 news too.

 

[ernesth100]

Woah, woah, again...not saying change the lore of Andrew and Tobey. Just saying add to it a little, obviously stuff has happened between the time it took for them to meet Tom and their own times. Unless they CGI and de-age the actors a bit. Which is already stretching it since casting them alone is pushing millions into the budget

The two actors are older naturally. And such will likely be reflected in the film that it's been some time since we've seen them. You don't have to change their costumes. That bit nay have jumped the shark a tad considering we already have alternate Spider-Men. But it'd be rather bland if there wasn't anything new going on with the characters other than "wow! They met Tom Holland! Alright, bye!".

Sprinkle some dazzle razzle is all I'm saying.

 

[Arachnerd]

I'm pretty sure no one wants them to have quick cameos. Unless you're one of those Reddit Spider-Man peeps that hate the idea of them being featured in general.

When I said that it would be interesting to explore what they've been up since their last movies, I mean also exploring where their characters are in the present time and how they're currently dealing with being Spider-Man. I like the frequent suggestion of Tobey Maguire's Peter being married to Mary Jane and now being a teacher, for instance.

 

[Airwings]

Woah, woah, again...not saying change the lore of Andrew and Tobey. Just saying add to it a little, obviously stuff has happened between the time it took for them to meet Tom and their own times

You wrote "And having him and Garfield play different versions of Spidey isn't hard either".

I know time has passed for the characters, but you specifically mentioned them playing other Spider-Men.

 

[Airwings]

Tobey Maguire's Peter being married to Mary Jane and now being a teacher, for instance.

Don't know if someone has brought this up, but could Morales be among Peter's students?

 

[ernesth100]

You wrote "And having him and Garfield play different versions of Spidey isn't hard either".

I know time has passed for the characters, but you specifically mentioned them playing other Spider-Men.

Poor choice of words friend. A better word would've been evolved. There's no reason to assume if Tom upgraded his suit that two other Peters wouldn't tweak there's in some way shape or form. It's just natural.

Personally, I say for Tobey keep the classic eyes and chest logo. But maybe he could have a new back spider or lowered webbing. Maybe extra padding since he's older and not as durable.

I remember I saw a theory that Tobey could still build we shooters. But they'd allow him to use his webs more creatively than normal. Altering his natural webs which are supplied by his body. That way he could have stuff like taser webs, web grenades, etc. Only difference is he doesn't run out when they break.

Andrew Spider-Man is constantly evolving. He's had 3 different we shooters and 2 suits. No reason to say he wouldn't probably take the PS4 Spidey route and make an advanced one himself. Maybe be the only one to understand Peter's suit and relate more thusly.

 

[Arachnerd]

Don't know if someone has brought this up, but could Morales be among Peter's students?

That could be a neat easter egg.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I'm pretty sure no one wants them to have quick cameos. Unless you're one of those Reddit Spider-Man peeps that hate the idea of them being featured in general.

When I said that it would be interesting to explore what they've been up since their last movies, I mean also exploring where their characters are in the present time and how they're currently dealing with being Spider-Man. I like the frequent suggestion of Tobey Maguire's Peter being married to Mary Jane and now being a teacher, for instance.

My preference would have been to not do a Spiderverse movie at all, myself. But clearly it is what we are getting, and if this what we're getting, I agree having Tobey and Andrew as quick cameos only makes no sense. I don't think they need 30 mins of screen time either. But their appearance in the movie has to be meaningful. Otherwise, why did we even do this?

 

[Hannibal75]

I'd be very interested in seeing Maguire's Spiderman facing marital difficulties with MJ, the same way Peter B. Parker did in Spiderverse. I always liked Kirsten Dunst too and it would be nice seeing her interact with Toby in a different way.

 

[ernesth100]

Now how about if it's more of A Christmas Carol theme? The movie is this time next year. Let's say perhaps

The Ghost of Christmas past represents memory. Easy Mark for Tobey, he's been Spider-Man for a while and everyone has nostalgia for him. But he can show us that sometimes the past can weigh a heavy toll on you future.

The ghost of Christmas present represents Good will and Generosity. Likely the mark for Tom himself, he's young and naive. Strange will likely also play this role. Showing Tom there's a possible self destructive aspect to being so.

Then there's the Ghost of Yet to Come, could probably be Andrew. That ghost represents death. And I'm pretty sure no one has seen as much death as Andrew's Spidey. Pretty much everyone he held close is dead.

The movie could follow this theme and end with Tom making a similar decision to reform his thoughts, whatever they be at the beginning of the movie.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I'd be very interested seeing Maguire's Spiderman facing marital difficulties with MJ, the same way Peter B. Parker did in Spiderverse. I always liked Kirsten Dunst too and it would be nice seeing her interact with Toby some more.

Eh, didn't we spend Spider-Man 3 with them having issues and breaking up? That and wouldn't this be a retread of Peter B. Parker?

I would rather they just be happy lol

 

[GuestStar2004]

Yeah you don't need to give Toby's spider-man anymore relationship issues with Mary Jane. at this point they probably need to try hard to show them living happily together.

Daniel RPK claims Toby's spider-man will have a Son in the movie too.

 

[ernesth100]

Eh, didn't we spend Spider-Man 3 with them having issues and breaking up? That and wouldn't this be a retread of Peter B. Parker?

I would rather they just be happy lol

This please, if Tobey's spider-man has any issues it should be that he's the greatest hero in his world. And tired of still being Spider-Man after so long. Maybe May is dead. But I'd like to see him get a break.

Andrew on the other hand, I kinda like seeing his Spider-Man suffer as sadistic as it sounds. He played the emotional scenes like a mother ****er. And I'm positive that's what he'll deliver here.

 

[Hannibal75]

Eh, didn't we spend Spider-Man 3 with them having issues and breaking up? That and wouldn't this be a retread of Peter B. Parker?

I would rather they just be happy lol

This issue can be presented in a thousand different ways. Especially since we are talking now about a live action movie which inherently means a more mature approach.

 

[Arachnerd]

But you'd still be retreading Into The Spider-Verse. SM3 will seemingly have many similarities with that film as it is, so you don't need to reuse the same character arcs as well.

 

[Hannibal75]

But you'd still be retreading Into The Spider-Verse with that.

While Spiderverse was excellent, unfortunately it wasn't exactly a box office behemoth. I'm pretty sure that the vast majority of general audiences are unfamiliar with it and the themes it explores, so I don't believe that there will be any complaints about Spiderman 3 being a rip off.

 

[ernesth100]

What % would you give that Toby and Andrew will be coming back?

Right now I'm at 25%.

Ehhh, Andrew I'm sure. But I'm starting to doubt Tobey. I haven't heard any official concrete confirmation and also heard rumors he was asking for too much to return making negotiations difficult. Hopefully if true Disney doesn't cheap out on us.

But you'd still be retreading Into The Spider-Verse. SM3 will seemingly have many similarities with that film as it is, so you don't need to reuse the same character arcs as well.

Exactly, why even be with MJ if their still fighting. The first 3 movies were them fighting. If they're still having relationship troubles then they shouldn't even be together.

Only way I could see it working is if perhaps it's a divorce and custody subplot with Tobey's character. He wants to see his son but MJ won't let him because he puts being Spider-Man above his family. And it's dangerous obviously. But even then that's just gonna raise more questions than it answers and unless their planning a 4th Tobey film. Don't do that.