superheroes vs. the laws of physics

[King Of The sea]

what about reed richards how does he not go brain dead with when he stretches his head because when a brain learns something it puts a wrinkle in it so he would re strech out all the wrinkles in his brain and he would have no knowladge right??

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

what about reed richards how does he not go brain dead with when he stretches his head because when a brain learns something it puts a wrinkle in it so he would re strech out all the wrinkles in his brain and he would have no knowladge right??

Technically, his powers would put such a strain on the rest of his body to the point he should've killed himself by now. So there's really not too much sense in reasoning out his powers.

 

[Vanguard07]

BTW, does anyone know how fast Cyke's beams go?

I dunno. I've read in one of the X-men novels that they can go at the speed of light at full force but I dont think thats an official fact or anything. (although the books do have to be approved by Marvel so they should be reasonable representations)

Either way i'm led to believe that he controls the force/speed of his blasts to a large degree.

 

[King Of The sea]

Technically, his powers would put such a strain on the rest of his body to the point he should've killed himself by now. So there's really not too much sense in reasoning out his powers.

its ironic aint it reed being so smart and scientest but yet their is no way that reeds char could be explained

 

[yahman]

Technically, his powers would put such a strain on the rest of his body to the point he should've killed himself by now. So there's really not too much sense in reasoning out his powers.

Unless you use hyper dimensions or Nano tech , i agree.

 

[yahman]

Don't stress it. Physics is my life study, I'm used to people having something FAR worse to say other than, "Something about this isnt' right." Besides, conversation and comparison of physics is something I enjoy.

I didn't say photons can't alter direction, I gave an example of basic light mechanics, to show the way light normally behaves. In fact, light USUALLY is altered in direction due to external sources. Like the flashlight. But really, it prefers straigh line movement, unless it's in a huge relativistic event, (i.e. a Black Hole) However, quantum mechanics doesn't exactly mean photon as in light. A photon, or in this cause, the photon of every shape and size, is just a particle unit of electromagnetic representation. Since a photon is the representative particle of the fundamental force of electromagnetivity. Where a gluon is strong energy, vector boson is weak energy, and graviton (allegedly, since it hasn't truly been proven) is gravity. However, photon are attracted and repelled by it's brothers too, and most people will confuse particles of other sorts for photons. But in truth, photons can only exist as photons. But in "refraction" light doesn't slow down. Photons being a basic basic basic particle, yield an extremely low energy. So if you were to flash a flashlight on the wall, there's a good chance 99.99999% of those particles will just be absorbed into the atomic structure of the wall until the wall eventually releases the energy slowly, and outside of wave function. (Hence, that's why the wall doesn't actually light up since it can't send photons in heavy waves in any given direction. And that's why walls get hot as a lot of light is shone on them, because light feeds the energy in atoms, atoms vibrate more, more vibration makes atoms hot.)

And photons don't literally slow down, they run into barriers. Though some have hypothesized that photons literally can lose their own electromagnetic energy. As for photons slowing down, or even bending though flat out without some large outside source? They can't really, since light is dependent on total outside source interactment since light prefers wave movement.


However, Wave particle duality is a little different from what you've represented there. It just states how particles, mainly photons, can be massless, yet cause and be part of physical reactions. Eistein himself had this great experiment, where he took several different types of metal, and shined a light on them. The massless light literally knocked electrons out of sync with the atom, and caused an electric current as the electron tried to return to it's normal place. There's been others, but too many to just go through. But you are right that it deals a good deal with the actual wave action of particles themselves. Though I am aware of the wave particle duality experiments that deal with gravity directly affecting particles.

As for that black hole figure eight thing, you DEFINITELY need to PM me about that.

This is definitely a case of, 'don't Skank a Skank' (Its an english, thing don't worry about it). I would have known it couldn't out 'physics you' if i had read your user name properly. (Someone with Gluon in their username is likely to know a lot about physics).

My knowledge of particle physics is really quite limited. What i know is only based on the few books i've read, which tend to be based on theoretical physics. They tend only give brief outlines of the Standard model, quantum mechanics, to explain the more crazy stuff in their books (I.e. Michu Kacku).

Its clear that you know a lot more than i do, but i was under the impression that the many worlds theory does accept my explanation of wave functions? And via this process anything and everything is technically possible, on the smallest scales of reality?

 

[deemar325]

Bump.

 

[Nasty-B]

How can Wolverine, Hulk, Deathstroke and the myriad other characters with healing factors regenerate destroyed tissue so quickly? Wouldn't they need to convert some outside source of energy in order to create new cells and whatnot. I remeber during Morrison's run on X-Men it showed how Logan had to eat a lot after expending his healing factor. Wouldn't he pretty much have to eat constantly?

 

[D-scythe]

I dunno. I've read in one of the X-men novels that they can go at the speed of light at full force but I dont think thats an official fact or anything. (although the books do have to be approved by Marvel so they should be reasonable representations)

Either way i'm led to believe that he controls the force/speed of his blasts to a large degree.

Well, having his beams being able to go at the speed of light would give him a LOT of punch (probably enough to vaporize everything but adamentium on contact) with a small enough recoil that any normal human would be able to manage without snapping their neck.

This is assuming that there is no "rail gun" effect or some other interactions between his eyes and his beams that could reduce this recoil into negligible amounts.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

This is definitely a case of, 'don't Skank a Skank' (Its an english, thing don't worry about it). I would have known it couldn't out 'physics you' if i had read your user name properly. (Someone with Gluon in their username is likely to know a lot about physics).

My knowledge of particle physics is really quite limited. What i know is only based on the few books i've read, which tend to be based on theoretical physics. They tend only give brief outlines of the Standard model, quantum mechanics, to explain the more crazy stuff in their books (I.e. Michu Kacku).

Its clear that you know a lot more than i do, but i was under the impression that the many worlds theory does accept my explanation of wave functions? And via this process anything and everything is technically possible, on the smallest scales of reality?

Don't sell yourself short. Understanding the basic principles of this stuff is considered hard work. Many world theory is usually under String Theory, but does have a place dealing with wave function theory on some levels. But it's more on coinciding frequency waves and such. But the anything possible? It's also thought by some scientists that if someone sat right next to a nuclear bomb, and it went off, they had to survive in at least one reality. lol

But since we don't know much about alternate realities, or anything at all really, or if they even exist, it's entirely possible.

But still, email me about that blackhole thing. lol

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

How can Wolverine, Hulk, Deathstroke and the myriad other characters with healing factors regenerate destroyed tissue so quickly? Wouldn't they need to convert some outside source of energy in order to create new cells and whatnot. I remeber during Morrison's run on X-Men it showed how Logan had to eat a lot after expending his healing factor. Wouldn't he pretty much have to eat constantly?

Well, really, he shouldn't be able to do it at all without an initial source of mass to replicate with to begin with. It shouldn't work as, "You heal now, pay me back later" with physics deal. But it's comics, so people like the Hulk (especially Hulk) don't make much sense. (Despite the fact that X-Men do seem to try and explain their powers off scientifically from time to time. And then they do the Phoenix, and the psychic field or whatever it is that Psylocke royally messed up. Not knocking the Phoenix.)

But yeah, given how Logan is constantly in a state of cellular growth, he'd have to eat ALL the time. And in large quantities.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

Well, having his beams being able to go at the speed of light would give him a LOT of punch (probably enough to vaporize everything but adamentium on contact) with a small enough recoil that any normal human would be able to manage without snapping their neck.

This is assuming that there is no "rail gun" effect or some other interactions between his eyes and his beams that could reduce this recoil into negligible amounts.

That may not be necessarily true. Light has no mass, so when it runs into things, it can't really hit it all too hard. Or else the sun would lend this unrelenting butt kicking that would've destroyed the planets long ago. Especially Mercury.

But it is an interesting thought. But it's much more likely his beams are U.V. and use heat to supercharge atomic structures, and then overload them, effectively melting them.

 

[King Of The sea]

silver sufer how could he ever exist (even if we were pretending his home planet was real)

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

silver sufer how could he ever exist (even if we were pretending his home planet was real)

Silver Surfer is pure comic fantasy. Same with Galactus and pretty much all cosmic beings really.

And a planet like his might exist. Though I doubt we'll find a planet named Zenn-La, which is a perfect utopia, where the race is an offshoot of the Kree.

 

[Vanguard07]

That may not be necessarily true. Light has no mass, so when it runs into things, it can't really hit it all too hard. Or else the sun would lend this unrelenting butt kicking that would've destroyed the planets long ago. Especially Mercury.

But it is an interesting thought. But it's much more likely his beams are U.V. and use heat to supercharge atomic structures, and then overload them, effectively melting them.

Cyclops' blasts dont melt anything. There's supposedly no heat at all from them, just concussive force.

 

[Exploding Boy]

Yeah, his beams are like being punched not burnt or melted

 

[King Of The sea]

Yeah, his beams are like being punched not burnt or melted

yep thats why their called optic blasts not heat blasts so to who ever you are telling this to they are right

 

[Silicon Surfer]

They have never said exactly what Cyke shoots from his eyes but it is concussive. He has been shown to be capable of absorbing and converting various forms of energy such as Havoks plasma and Storms lightning.He may be capable of preventing his mass from absorbing kinetic energy from some sources or even reflecting it.
Fights between the super strong are one of the biggest problems.Take for example the fight between Spiderman and Wolverine in Berlin. Even aallowing Logan the durability he is supposed to have he still should have been thrown hundreds of yards by each punch. Spidey was in an all out berserker rage to rival Wolvie so he wasn't pulling his punches.
The biggest violator of all is Superman. He doesn't just break the law of conservation of energy he pulverizes it. He supposedly absorbs sunlight and converts it to his own use, however there is nowhere near enough energy in sunlight to power even his minor feats. He is getting more energy out of sunlight than it contains.
As for Sue, There are two possibilities that suggest themselves. She may control the refractory index of matter and she may be capable of shifting the wavelength of em radiation or both. The latter might explain why she can also make the invisible visible

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

Cyclops' blasts dont melt anything. There's supposedly no heat at all from them, just concussive force.

Yeah, I kinda put that badly. Kinda really badly. Kind of REALLY really badly, since I decided to not explain anything.

If you put enough energy into atoms, one of three things happen. You separate and spread them off, cause them to melt, or blow up. And you really don't need heat to do it, just an energy acceptable to atomic structure (considered most forms of energy). Heat is a constant byproduct, and always the cause. Plus you cannot have any visible light production without heat. So his concussive force must be manipulating some form of energy, which produces heat, which feeds into atoms, which cause the reaction. Just low levels of heat. Red light is a lot less hot in comparison to all other forms of light. But this is if you're holding it to real world physics though. Comics just usually do whatever they want.

 

[Vanguard07]

Anyone read the Avengers/Jla crossover? Remember how Iron Man was talking about how they're different universes and the run on entirely different laws of physics?
I just assume that all this comic science is more of that.
None of their powers would work here but in their own universe science works differently.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

They have never said exactly what Cyke shoots from his eyes but it is concussive. He has been shown to be capable of absorbing and converting various forms of energy such as Havoks plasma and Storms lightning.He may be capable of preventing his mass from absorbing kinetic energy from some sources or even reflecting it.
Fights between the super strong are one of the biggest problems.Take for example the fight between Spiderman and Wolverine in Berlin. Even aallowing Logan the durability he is supposed to have he still should have been thrown hundreds of yards by each punch. Spidey was in an all out berserker rage to rival Wolvie so he wasn't pulling his punches.
The biggest violator of all is Superman. He doesn't just break the law of conservation of energy he pulverizes it. He supposedly absorbs sunlight and converts it to his own use, however there is nowhere near enough energy in sunlight to power even his minor feats. He is getting more energy out of sunlight than it contains.
As for Sue, There are two possibilities that suggest themselves. She may control the refractory index of matter and she may be capable of shifting the wavelength of em radiation or both. The latter might explain why she can also make the invisible visible

Out of Sue and Superman, Sue is the lesser of possibilities. Light usually only bends to extreme gravitational force. Like a sun, or black hole. So usually the source has to be able to bend relativity as well.

Though I'll admit Superman is pretty unbelievable. Just a little bit more believable only because manipulating theoretical gravi.... you know what? They're equally unbelievable because they manipulate the fundamental forces of the universe that hold reality as we understand together like they're nothing.

 

[Silicon Surfer]

With Sue at some point you have to scratch your head and admit you don't know what effect she is generating to make something invisible so you can't truly refute it. With Superman you know exactly what natural law he is breaking. At least in terms of his power source.

 

[Exploding Boy]

yep thats why their called optic blasts not heat blasts so to who ever you are telling this to they are right

Well not really. Optic means from the eye not concussive. If they were heat based they would be called Optic Heat Blast.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

With Sue at some point you have to scratch your head and admit you don't know what effect she is generating to make something invisible so you can't truly refute it. With Superman you know exactly what natural law he is breaking. At least in terms of his power source.

With real life physics, I don't really. She's controlling the second highest natural force in the universe (first being gluons). The energy and mass required is just waaaaay too much for someone with psionic powers to do. But it's comics, and I think that she pulls her powers from some dimension now or something? I totally lost track of 616 Fantastic Four.

 

[Silicon Surfer]

She draws upon virtually infinite energy from the higher regions of hyperspace whatever that means. According to Nathaniel Richards.