Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Out of the Shadows - Part 2

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[Hunter Rider]

The spot was all about the Krang reveal...

A couple of quick screen grabs. I'm sure someone will do better ones soon, and also I don't know how to make gifs.

And it delivered!

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Still can't believe how badly the sequel did. It was a better movie than the first and as someone who grew up watching the cartoon I had a ton of fun with it.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Still can't believe how badly the sequel did. It was a better movie than the first and as someone who grew up watching the cartoon I had a ton of fun with it.

Who goes and sees the sequel to a movie they didn't enjoy? That was the problem here. Too many didn't enjoy the first movie enough.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Who goes and sees the sequel to a movie they didn't enjoy? That was the problem here. Too many didn't enjoy the first movie enough.

Well when the sequel is better than the first you still don't expect it to make around half what the first movie did. Thought more kids would turn up for the sequel also.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Well when the sequel is better than the first you still don't expect it to make around half what the first movie did. Thought more kids would turn up for the sequel also.

I get you here, and while kids love plenty of things adults may not, that doesn't mean they love it all enough to beg their parents enough to sit in what they may consider something not worth the time. Especially as there are other films to be seen.

I think a good example here is Matrix Reloaded and Matrix Revolutions. Reloaded road the wave of the Matrix. Revolutions road the wave of Reloaded. The box office openings showed this.

 

[Sleiek]

Yeah you guys are probably right. I guess some people were disappointed with the first.

I am completely okay with the muscular Turtle design but I am starting to think may be it as poor design choice. They sound like teenagers but don't look like them. Maybe more turtles, less humans?

 

[Zant]

Yeah but the first had great legs and held up well even against Guardians of the Galaxy.Could it just be the novelty factor was gone or something. Similar to what happened with Alice 2?

 

[Sleiek]

That makes more sense.

 

[Darkness Falls]

i must admit i chuckled at bebop and rocksteady congratulating each other post transformation

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Yeah but the first had great legs and held up well even against Guardians of the Galaxy.Could it just be the novelty factor was gone or something. Similar to what happened with Alice 2?

Yeah I think this was a factor also. And as Darth said kids may not have been interested to beg their parents to see this. Which again seems strange to me. But it is what it is I suppose.

 

[Art Damage]

Who goes and sees the sequel to a movie they didn't enjoy? That was the problem here. Too many didn't enjoy the first movie enough.

This. Lots of people showed up to the first film, but not enough people liked it to return.

Now, I think there was more to take away from in the second film...but it still was just as bad as 2014's. Hopefully if we get a reboot down the line, it's something completely away from Platinum Dunes and a team with a vision and passion for the characters take over.

 

[Vaibow]

This. Lots of people showed up to the first film, but not enough people liked it to return.

Now, I think there was more to take away from in the second film...but it still was just as bad as 2014's. Hopefully if we get a reboot down the line, it's something completely away from Platinum Dunes and a team with a vision and passion for the characters take over.

I hope they go back to animatronics and suits, i don't like CGI. Sure, they can blend the two, if need be, but honestly, what they can make now days look so much better.

Have it like an urban legend, of crocodiles and turtles and moth man down the sewers. People talk about it, but it's never proven.

A gang is taking over an area of New York City, pushing drugs on kids - drugs is big money as we know. Someone is behind it, but who? The Fut Clan is the name going around the streets, a red bandana is the call sign.

April O Neil is snooping around, stumbles upon a meeting/drug deal. Her cameraman is with her, he makes a noise - gets spotted and he walks out with his arms raised, April stays where she is, unnoticed. He gets shot in cold blood, with a red bandanna tide around his face as a warning.
The lights go out and flicker, 4 shadows appear from behind a car, gun fire lights up the room, men scream as legs break. In almost perfect synchronicity they scoop April up and bundle her away.

On a roof top April comes too as she sees the backs of the turtles as they vanish.

The next day the media is hushing up the murder, it's not covered to April's disgust - her investigating on the 4 heroes and revenge is her only goal.

.....

In this movie i really want the turtles to appear child like, not naive but that child like innocence - esp in Donatello - he's like that goof 14 year old kid that stays behind class to clean up and use the computer.

The TMNT don't really wan an come out the shadows but they do want to protect people, when they can.

Damn so much potential when done right.

 

[Gieferg]

I've enjoyed the first and was hyped for the sequel - trailers looked great - they had everything that fan of 80s cartoon wants.

It failed to meet expectations, and didn't surpass the first... didnt even get close to it. The sequel has just too much and not enough of everything. There's Krang - but he has two scenes, there are Bebop & Rocksteady but they dont even have a proper fight with Turtles, there's Shredder but he doesnt do anything, there's Casey Jones, but he sucks, there's Baxter but... he sucks too.

 

[-JKR-]

Still can't believe how badly the sequel did. It was a better movie than the first and as someone who grew up watching the cartoon I had a ton of fun with it.

I can. It was just bad. And I can't believe how a bit of fan-service and pandering can win people over.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I can. It was just bad. And I can't believe how a bit of fan-service and pandering can win people over.

Agree to disagree. I enjoyed the movie, fan service and all, found it an improvement over the first. I thought the relationships between the Turtles themselves was more fleshed out also.

 

[Vaibow]

So i finally caught this movie today, very different from the first, not in a bad way at all. It pretty much felt like the 80's cartoon in vibe.

Shredder didn't have much to do and was just there, being manipulated by Krang which was totally lifted from the cartoon. I enjoyed that.

It's just the look of the turtles and to an extent how they acted. I enjoyed Mikey and Don, i guess it all depends what you want from a film, i think Ralph and leo were more comic inspired.

Megan Fox, as hot as she is was miscast as April and had nothing to do. Green Arrow as Casey Jones - the script he did have, he didn't deliver it with a truly, not so much naive arrogance but it was just flat.

The cgi at times was distracting, at times great. The sewer hideout wasn't impressive and felt green screen.

Overall, it's a kids film, i'm an adult and i should respect that, but at the same time, it reminded me of the cartoon, so i guess job done.

It definitely could cope with a sequel, but i think i heard that was the end of it.

I think, leave it a few years and then make a movie with less CGI, more ninja action, closer to the source material and make a decent family action adventure on the scale of 'goonies' 'karate kid' and 'gremlins' and i honestly think it should be set in the 80's.

I want the turtles to look like teen actors in suits, ofcourse, high quality suits - with stunt performers of similar size for the ninja scenes.
I want decent on location sets, and i want the foot gang to look cheaper, more street gang than military. Anyways, this will probably never happen.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I do hope we get a reboot a few years down the line. I liked the 2 recent movies, but maybe make them for a bit cheaper.

 

[User Name]

I do hope we get a reboot a few years down the line. I liked the 2 recent movies, but maybe make them for a bit cheaper.

Going a long long way would be bringing back the 90s costumes & maybe updating a tad bit for modern / better look but overall bring back the 90s costumes

 

[Vaibow]

Going a long long way would be bringing back the 90s costumes & maybe updating a tad bit for modern / better look but overall bring back the 90s costumes

In other words going back to their original looks, i agree. They are turtles with human traits, not humans with turtle traits, there for clothes are irrelevant but soley for looks purposes.

Imagine child like turtles, they love ninja, all they will care about is wearing the attire they see on the TV, they won't see themselves as naked.

 

[Octoberist]

While this was a step up from the first one, I think MOST people were bothered by the designs. I know it's hard to come up with the consensus with the masses these days, but I think it was just a misstep if your leads are unappealing looking.

The key thing is the height. And they sorta have to be cute.

For the next movie, either use smaller actors..or use smaller body doubles with different voice actors portraying them. Haha, Elijah Wood and Aziz Asari.

Which is no different in how the animatronic Jim Henson body doubles were used. It's just more trickier but it's not impossible.

 

[Octoberist]

I hope they go back to animatronics and suits, i don't like CGI. Sure, they can blend the two, if need be, but honestly, what they can make now days look so much better.

Have it like an urban legend, of crocodiles and turtles and moth man down the sewers. People talk about it, but it's never proven.

A gang is taking over an area of New York City, pushing drugs on kids - drugs is big money as we know. Someone is behind it, but who? The Fut Clan is the name going around the streets, a red bandana is the call sign.

April O Neil is snooping around, stumbles upon a meeting/drug deal. Her cameraman is with her, he makes a noise - gets spotted and he walks out with his arms raised, April stays where she is, unnoticed. He gets shot in cold blood, with a red bandanna tide around his face as a warning.
The lights go out and flicker, 4 shadows appear from behind a car, gun fire lights up the room, men scream as legs break. In almost perfect synchronicity they scoop April up and bundle her away.

On a roof top April comes too as she sees the backs of the turtles as they vanish.

The next day the media is hushing up the murder, it's not covered to April's disgust - her investigating on the 4 heroes and revenge is her only goal.

.....

In this movie i really want the turtles to appear child like, not naive but that child like innocence - esp in Donatello - he's like that goof 14 year old kid that stays behind class to clean up and use the computer.

The TMNT don't really wan an come out the shadows but they do want to protect people, when they can.

Damn so much potential when done right.

I say use a combo:

Use Turtle suits, and then use CGI for the faces. Maybe create a half mask for the heads, where the actors faces are visible (with tracking dots). Done. Jonze, Del Toro and most recently, JJ Abrams did it.

Also, by just creating Turtle suits with CG faces, you get to eliminate the weight of the heavy mechanics on the suit. Also, you have the references for the CG artists with the suits so lighting wouldn't be an issue.

 

[Vaibow]

Totally agree, obviously i would love a mask that could move in a fluid motion but also CGI can do just that. A mix of the two would be perfect. But it honk you hit the nail on the head in that they need to be somewhat cute.
The cartoon design was cute, that's why it holds up so well now. 6 year olds can wear a t shirt with it on, no problem. The new design, they look more like monsters (swamp thing/toxic crusaders) than actual turtles, i was trying to think why it went wrong and i felt they looked to human, but not human enough to look 'normal' they ended up looking like weird humans, my case in point, when Mikey took off his bandanna in the first, he just looked plain weird - nothing a child could relate too.

There's still a franchi$e on the big screen.

 

[2kt09]

Animated reboot.

 

[harryoscop]

I actually think they should go in the opposite direction of the Bay films and make them look closer to REAL Turtles as opposed to humans with green, deformed faces. That means beaks like the original Mirage comics, scales and amphibian eyes. Make them look more Turtle-like than we've seen in any of the movies before. And I hope they go the more serious, martial arts blockbuster route this time. Hard PG-13. I'm tired of the family film route, bring it back to something closer to the 80s Mirage comics.