Tesco Supermarket Accused of Discriminating Against Jedis

[katie_girl09]

I understand their reasoning, but it's ********. Treating all people like suspects isn't good. Why not just ask every customer that comes in the front to show them photo id, take their fingerprints and a blood sample. Sound outrageous? Because asking people to do something so that it can be easier to identify them should be happen to be a criminal is just accusing them.

Whoa! Now THAT would be overboard. Asking people to take off a hood or a hat so that you can see their face is just a precaution. You aren't accusing them of doing anything.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Over here in Britain hoodies have a certain stigma to them. The stigma of being a no good ragga muffin!

It does piss me off, because I like hooded tops, but I ain't a no good ragga muffin! Well, most of the time I'm not anyway.

 

[Raiden]

Yoda: Daniel Jones, you are not a Jedi yet. Tesco...You must shop at Tesco with the hoodie on...

Jones: Yes, master!

 

[Majic Walrus]

Whoa! Now THAT would be overboard. Asking people to take off a hood or a hat so that you can see their face is just a precaution. You aren't accusing them of doing anything.

I call BS. You're asking them to do something as a precaution in case they steal. Effectively their message should've been:

"We asked him to remove the hood so that we could see his face in case he stole something."

That's admitting that they were suspicious of him for no other reason than that he was wearing a hood. Hoods are not symbols of crime and shouldn't be treated as such.

 

[Majic Walrus]

Over here in Britain hoodies have a certain stigma to them. The stigma of being a no good ragga muffin!

It does piss me off, because I like hooded tops, but I ain't a no good ragga muffin! Well, most of the time I'm not anyway.

There's a similar stigma in the USA but most of the time we don't act on a suspicion until we have cause to. Clothing is not a cause to be suspicious.

 

[SuperFerret]

It's customary in many stores that you check whatever bags you may be carrying when you enter, for free even.

Don't blow this out of proportion, you're not being treated as a criminal if you're asked to remove your hood or leave your bag at the front of the store. If you don't plan on stealing anything, then you have nothing to worry about.

 

[Manic]

Walrus, are you playing the devil's advocate for the sake of playing the devil's advocate, or do you honestly believe the store was wrong to ask a hooded man to show his face as he entered their shop?

 

[katie_girl09]

I call BS. You're asking them to do something as a precaution in case they steal. Effectively their message should've been:

"We asked him to remove the hood so that we could see his face in case he stole something."

That's admitting that they were suspicious of him for no other reason than that he was wearing a hood. Hoods are not symbols of crime and shouldn't be treated as such.

But that doesn't erase the fact that it is risque to allow people to cover their faces and obscure their identities too much. IF something does happen, what on earth are you going to give the police in the place of a description? He looka like a man? Would YOU want something to go down in a store that you worked in and not have the person caught because you couldn't give a decent description?

Just because they are more wary of people who cover their faces, doesn't mean that they are completely trusting of the people who do not. If you've worked in a store before, you know that you're kind of always taking a risk when you deal with people. There is always that element, so how much more when they are covering their face?

 

[katie_girl09]

Walrus, are you playing the devil's advocate for the sake of playing the devil's advocate, or do you honestly believe the store was wrong to ask a hooded man to show his face as he entered their shop?

He's arguing just for the sake of arguing. Isn't that what he always does on here?

 

[Majic Walrus]

It's customary in many stores that you check whatever bags you may be carrying when you enter, for free even.

Don't blow this out of proportion, you're not being treated as a criminal if you're asked to remove your hood or leave your bag at the front of the store. If you don't plan on stealing anything, then you have nothing to worry about.

I've never been in a store that asked me to remove any kind of clothing or to check a bag.

If the reason for asking him to remove his hood was to prevent or theft then he is being treated like a criminal. I can think of no good reason why someone would need to see his face unless they thought he was going to commit a crime.

Walrus, are you playing the devil's advocate for the sake of playing the devil's advocate, or do you honestly believe the store was wrong to ask a hooded man to show his face as he entered their shop?

I always play the Devil's Advocate, but I still think it was stupid for a store to ask someone to remove their hood.

But that doesn't erase the fact that it is risque to allow people to cover their faces and obscure their identities too much. IF something does happen, what on earth are you going to give the police in the place of a description? He looka like a man? Would YOU want something to go down in a store that you worked in and not have the person caught because you couldn't give a decent description?

Just because they are more wary of people who cover their faces, doesn't mean that they are completely trusting of the people who do not. If you've worked in a store before, you know that you're kind of always taking a risk when you deal with people. There is always that element, so how much more when they are covering their face?

It would be unfortunate if they got robbed by this Jedi in his hood (although "He looked like a Jedi" would be a great description to give on a statement). What if it was a lady wearing a burka? A woman in mourning with a veil over her face? A man wearing dark sunglasses and a hat? What if it was a kid wearing cargo pants (easy for stealing stuff) or a kid wearing baggy clothes (easy for stealing stuff)?

It might not be racial profiling but it's every bit as stupid to ask someone to remove a hood as it is to "pay close attention" to someone who's Hispanic or black when they're in your store.

He's arguing just for the sake of arguing. Isn't that what he always does on here?

See that's why I love you. You know me.

 

[katie_girl09]

It would be unfortunate if they got robbed by this Jedi in his hood (although "He looked like a Jedi" would be a great description to give on a statement). What if it was a lady wearing a burka? A woman in mourning with a veil over her face? A man wearing dark sunglasses and a hat? What if it was a kid wearing cargo pants (easy for stealing stuff) or a kid wearing baggy clothes (easy for stealing stuff)?

It might not be racial profiling but it's every bit as stupid to ask someone to remove a hood as it is to "pay close attention" to someone who's Hispanic or black when they're in your store.



See that's why I love you. You know me.

Oh come on! Now you're just being melodramatic. Keeping a watchful eye on someone because of ethnicity is not at all the same thing as asking someone not to obscure their face in public. There are practical reasons for it.

A woman wearing a veil over her face (how long has it been since people did that in every day life?) and a man wearing big dark sunglasses could be subject to the same thing because it is more or less the same situation. You can't really ask a kid who is wearing cargo pants to take of their pants (or would you?). In that case, you would just be watchful and make sure that nothing is slipped into one of their many pockets. The woman in a burka? If I'm not mistaken, they are trying to get rid of those in a lot of countries in Europe for pretty much the same reason.

I really don't see why any store would be wrong to ask someone to take off a hood. Like Ferret said, I don't see why the average law-abiding citizen would have a problem with that...

And yes, I guess I do know you. Unfortunately.

 

[Majic Walrus]

Oh come on! Now you're just being melodramatic. Keeping a watchful eye on someone because of ethnicity is not at all the same thing as asking someone not to obscure their face in public. There are practical reasons for it.

A woman wearing a veil over her face (how long has it been since people did that in every day life?) and a man wearing big dark sunglasses could be subject to the same thing because it is more or less the same situation. You can't really ask a kid who is wearing cargo pants to take of their pants (or would you?). In that case, you would just be watchful and make sure that nothing is slipped into one of their many pockets. The woman in a burka? If I'm not mistaken, they are trying to get rid of those in a lot of countries in Europe for pretty much the same reason.

I really don't see why any store would be wrong to ask someone to take off a hood. Like Ferret said, I don't see why the average law-abiding citizen would have a problem with that...

And yes, I guess I do know you. Unfortunately.

See what we just did. We just developed ways to make it okay in our minds for us to force people into certain kinds of clothes or to change the way they dress when they go out.

It should be the responsibility of the store to ensure the safety of it's workers and it's goods. They can do this by hiring security and setting up surveillance systems not by infringing on people's freedoms.

People shouldn't do what people ask them to do just because they "don't have a problem with it". Sure I might not have a problem with removing my hood because it really doesn't bother me to have it on or off. But you know whose choice that is? Mine. All mine. I get to pick what I wear and how I wear it and it is unreasonable for anyone else to tell me differently.

Yeah they are trying to ban Burkas in some places in Europe. Sometimes even Europeans are *******s.



All this being said I'd like to clarify that I don't think that the store was wrong, in fact they are within their rights. I think that a store should be able to make whatever dumb**** stupid requests that they want to because they are free too. All I'm saying is that it's stupid and dumb.

 

[katie_girl09]

See what we just did. We just developed ways to make it okay in our minds for us to force people into certain kinds of clothes or to change the way they dress when they go out...

All this being said I'd like to clarify that I don't think that the store was wrong, in fact they are within their rights. I think that a store should be able to make whatever dumb**** stupid requests that they want to because they are free too. All I'm saying is that it's stupid and dumb.

Who is "we"? It isn't a matter of controlling anything, it is a matter of both safety and protection. We don't live in a perfect world. Theoretically we should be able to obscure our faces wherever and however we want, but it just isn't a good idea all the time in practice. I don't understand why you would think that doing what might keep people at ease and protect people from possible losses is "stupid".

 

[Majic Walrus]

Who is "we"? It isn't a matter of controlling anything, it is a matter of both safety and protection. We don't live in a perfect world. Theoretically we should be able to obscure our faces wherever and however we want, but it just isn't a good idea all the time in practice. I don't understand why you would think that doing what might keep people at ease and protect people from possible losses is "stupid".

We is you. :P

Just because something might keep people at ease and protect them from possible losses doesn't make it a smart or a good idea.

Hell putting all of the food in a grocery store in a locked underground vault would probably make it a lot harder to sell but it's still obviously stupid. Making me show a photo id (some stores do this) before I enter the store would really cut down on shop lifters but it's still ****ing stupid.

Let's remember that we're not talking about a guy wearing a ski mask that came in the store... We're talking about this:

Spoiler

Imagine a picture of a fat Jedi knight wearing his hood. I can't seem to get the picture uploaded.

Really... Did he pose a threat to the store or was some dumbass manager trying to assert his authority over someone? The "Jedi" posed no threat and was not necessarily acting in a suspicious manner. There was no reason for the store employees to do anything beyond watching him.

 

[JRPJCDJC]

This 'boy' is not a jedi - he is a sith for jedi DO NOT deal in absolutes, only a sith does. He did not absolutely have to keep the hood up - he is a sith, and a very dumb one at that.

 

[Majic Walrus]

Yay! No arguments in over an hour! Either I won or no one likes me!

 

[JRPJCDJC]

Yay! No arguments in over an hour! Either I won or no one likes me!

An owner reserves the right to refuse service for any reason. Does 'no shirt, no shoes - no service' ring a bell?

 

[katie_girl09]

Yay! No arguments in over an hour! Either I won or no one likes me!

Try "in class".

 

[Majic Walrus]

An owner reserves the right to refuse service for any reason. Does 'no shirt, no shoes - no service' ring a bell?

Which is why I said over and over again that the store was well within it's rights, what it did was just stupid.

Try "in class".

Forfeit's forfeit.

 

[Metamorpho1977]

http://www.slashfilm.com/2009/09/19/lol-tesco-supermarket-accused-of-discriminating-against-jedis/

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[katie_girl09]

Forfeit's forfeit.

I just read through your rant - response. Jeez. What's the point? You think every law that is meant for safety is "******* stupid" anyhow.

 

[Jennifer Walters]

Why would you even need to wear a hood INDOORS? Seriously...there's no reason to be in a grocery store wearing a hood unless you are either

A) Up to something
B) Well, there is no other reason to where a hood indoors.

 

[SuperFerret]

How is a hood different from a ski mask, especially the type of hood that this Jedi would wear if he wanted to do things "properly"? Both are able to obscure your facial features while wearing it.

 

[Majic Walrus]

Why would you even need to wear a hood INDOORS? Seriously...there's no reason to be in a grocery store wearing a hood unless you are either

A) Up to something
B) Well, there is no other reason to where a hood indoors.

That's awfully suspicious sounding.

One could say that ties, scarves, hats, and coats indoors are equally pointless. But one does not need a reason to wear a hood indoors. Personal preference and style are good enough.

How is a hood different from a ski mask, especially the type of hood that this Jedi would wear if he wanted to do things "properly"? Both are able to obscure your facial features while wearing it.

C'mon. A hood is a lot different from a ski mask if for no other reason than the connotation of a ski mask versus a hood.

I just read through your rant - response. Jeez. What's the point? You think every law that is meant for safety is "******* stupid" anyhow.

Ironic isn't it? I don't like seatbelt laws either.

 

[SuperFerret]

Wearing a hood indoors makes you look suspicious. I would always watch anyone who looks and/or dresses suspiciously.