Sequels The Alpha Flight Film thread

[PunyGod]

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[Zarex]

Does anybody see Alpha Flight here?

Nope. But the poster is far from a complete accounting of all characters under Marvel's control. I don't see Patsy Walker, Nebula, Moondragon, Deathlok, the Collector, the Wasp or Howard the Duck.

Marvel filed a new trademark for Alpha Flight back in 2013, which they have done for properties prior to making movie appearances. But while the Mouse has the name, my guess is the character rights are a bit muddled.

 

[psylockolussus]

Does anybody see Alpha Flight here?

Nope.

 

[Mike Murdock]

Fox might not even have access to Alpha Flight. Marvel threw an Alpha Flight reference into an episode of Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., so they might have it. There was an Alpha Flight Easter Egg in X2, but it was alongside a few infringing Easter Eggs they probably wouldn't have gotten away with if Disney owned Marvel at the time.

Yeah, I think it's 50/50 about who owns Alpha Flight.

It's a team up movie. Although I like the characters, it's somewhat redundant with the X-Men, New Mutants, not to mention Fantastic Four and Avengers elsewhere. The only real thing that stands out is they're Canadian.

If I were to suggest a movie that would stand out, it would be the Starjammers.

 

[Orba]

The new character poster seems restricted to characters that Marvel has unrestricted use of in the MCU without sharing with anyone, the Twins and Skrulls for example do not appear in it despite Marvel either having used them or at least confirming that they could. Namor also appears to be missing from the poster. With the AoS reference to Department H I think that the rights are probably somewhere in the Shared or "Its complicated" category.

 

[MakeMinesMarvel]

New Mutants
2nd X-Team
X-Force
X-Women
X-Factor
Excalibur
Starjammers

Those are the films I wanna see before Alpha Flight

 

[magneto23]

Are Alpha Flight characters not mutants? I thought FOX could use any mutants. Or is that not true?

 

[Orba]

Are Alpha Flight characters not mutants? I thought FOX could use any mutants. Or is that not true?

Some are some aren't, so while its safe to assume that Fox has the Mutant characters, the questions are more about the rest of the team, the non-Mutants and group/organisation names.

 

[MakeMinesMarvel]

Alpha Flight should be with FOX it says X-Men spinoff off on the first issuse.

 

[Zarex]

Are Alpha Flight characters not mutants? I thought FOX could use any mutants. Or is that not true?

I believe that FOX has access to any mutants that were introduced in the pages of an X-Men title, along with mutants that were introduced elsewhere (Sabretooth, Rogue, Wolverine) but were named characters in the 1993 licensing agreement.

If a character A)was not named in the 1993 agreement and B)was introduced in a non X-Men title, it appears as though Marvel controls the character. Molly Hayes of the Runaways and Namor (whose own rights situation is "complicated") are often used as examples.

 

[Orba]

Marvel have Big Hero 6 and originally its line-up had Silver Samurai and Sunfire.

I still can't see how Marvel could use Department H if its the rights were simply tied to the X-Men rights since we know that the TV rights for those require approval from both Marvel and Fox before they could be used. About the only way I can see a shared situation having happened would be if Marvel had the rights but Fox had access to and control of the Mutant members.

 

[Zarex]

There's a well written article today posted to Comic Book Resources regarding the cluster-bleep that is the Marvel rights situation. It doesn't really clarify anything, but raises some interesting points.

http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/singling-out-marvels-film-rights-head-scratchers

 

[PunyGod]

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[Mike Murdock]

Are Alpha Flight characters not mutants? I thought FOX could use any mutants. Or is that not true?

No. Fox can use any character associated with the X-Men comics.

There are a ton of characters that are classified as mutants in the Marvel universe because they were born with powers with no other explanation. Typhoid Mary is considered a mutant (she's actually been retconned to appear in an X-Men book), but she's almost certainly owned by Marvel exclusively right now because she's a Daredevil character. Whirlwind is a mutant and he's basically an Iron Man character.

 

[psylockolussus]

No. Fox can use any character associated with the X-Men comics.

And they can make them mutants if they want to

Ex: Juggernaut, Viper and Yukio.

 

[Mike Murdock]

Or they could make them not mutants when they were, e.g., Silver Samurai.

 

[psylockolussus]

Also Heather Hudson already appeared in X-Men Origins: Wolverine.

So I think Fox can use Alpha Flight.

 

[X-Maniac]

I think Alpha Flight may be best shown as some sort of extension of the work Stryker was involved with in creating Wolverine.

In the comics, I think they first appeared when sent to get Wolverine back as a Canadian agent. Quite why they waited so long etc is a bit of a mystery.

But I think an Alpha Flight movie would need the team to have some sort of development from the existing mythos, rather than just a Canadian equivalent of the X-Men. They need a good reason to exist.

Just making them standalone could possibly work, depending on the story that was scripted, but as someone else said they don't have much to offer that's amazingly new apart from being Canadian.

I love some of the characters, such as Snowbird, Sasquatch, Aurora, Northstar, so it would be nice to see them on screen.