Alpha Flight to return under Jim McCann?

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Rumours that Canadian superhero team Alpha Flight are to make a return to the Marvel Universe have surfaced.

According to Bleeding Cool, writer Jim McCann is spearheading the group's revival in an as-yet-unnamed Marvel title.

Created by John Byrne, Alpha Flight first appeared in Uncanny X-Men #120 in 1979. The team lost several of its members in the 2007 miniseries Omega Flight and its future has been uncertain ever since.

Full details of Alpha Flight's return are yet to be announced.

http://www.digitalspy.com/comics/news/a256612/marvels-alpha-flight-to-make-a-return.html
 
Ha That's pretty funny.I went to a Con two months ago and Mccann mentioned how his first ever pitch to marvel was Alpha Flight.It was rejected obviously.
 
I used to love Alpha Flight... I still remember getting #1 in 1983...

:yay:
 
I guess this means they must have enough faith in McCann now due to Hawkeye and Mockingbird.
 
I guess this means they must have enough faith in McCann now due to Hawkeye and Mockingbird.

Which is amazing considering that HAWKEYE & MOCKINGBIRD #1, while it may be critically acclaimed, didn't have the best debut. In June it sold 27,552 copies (or rather, that many copies were ordered by retailers in the direct market). There were two variant covers and most debut issues are ordered at whatever shops think they can sell, which is at best an educated guess. Second issues usually are lower, and either the title's sales get steady or slip into oblivion. This was enough to sell in the Top 75 (at #73), with a caveat that June 1010 was actually a good month for the Top 300 sellers; in some prior months, 27.5k would have looked better, and placed higher on the Top 100 list.

For a bit of comparison, BLACK WIDOW #1 in April sold at over 32k (or 5,000 copies more, at least), but by issue three it is down to below 20k, which is right around cancellation range. Marvel's giving the next creative team an arc, but it may not last 12 issues. Still, HAWKEYE & MOCKINGBIRD had a better debut than YOUNG ALLIES, which also launched in June. Once July's sales are known, the title's future may be easier to predict. Note that ATLAS #1 had a low debut, and was canceled by issue five. Both DOCTOR VOODOO and SWORD had lousy debuts and both were canceled by issue six. Usually as a "golden rule", any new comic that can't debut within the Top 50 or Top 60 usually is dead in a year or less, at least from Marvel. But that's my personal observation.

There are many reasons why new titles fail to make a splash. A popular creative team on a well known franchise that fans & retailers want them on help, and both are key. Mark Millar & Bryan Hitch are normally an A-List creative team, but not even they could boost sales on FANTASTIC FOUR for very long, because readers & retailers just aren't jazzed by the Four anymore. The other aspect is a title has to be seen as "important". Marvel acts like all their titles are important, but retailers usually can tell the difference on the scale between NEW AVENGERS and AGENTS OF ATLAS. Finally, more $3.99 means higher wholesale costs, which combined with the worst economy in twenty plus years (with many shops nationwide closing), this has led to retailers being very conservative with things they aren't sure will sell well, or last long. Marvel rarely has faith in new books or characters, and release too many to show that they care about each individual one. Marvel, incredibly, believes these signals are impossible for any layperson to figure out, much less retailers. If I can, for free, then certainly someone whose salary depends on it can, too. Or should.

At any rate, though, the last stab at Alpha Flight proper was 2004, the "all new" comedy series. In 2007, there was OMEGA FLIGHT, which was essentially Alpha Flight with a new (old) name (that their enemies used to use). It was a series originally intended to be an ongoing, and then Marvel got nervous and made it a mini. Which proved to be a misstep; the sales for the mini were very consistent, and had it been an ongoing, it might have seen 18 issues. But, shifting the format led the creative team to split up and move onto DC, so there was little chance of a sequel. Beyond an arc in MARVEL COMICS PRESENTS, the property has been resting for two years. A month or two ago, some director expressed interest in an ALPHA FLIGHT movie, which probably helped. But, on average, Marvel has usually given the team a chance every 2-6 years, so they're about due. The riddle will be making it work besides simply hammering home the fact that they're Canadian, which usually has failed to work.

The question may be what line-up is used, considering while Bendis wanted all of ALPHA FLIGHT to have been killed by the Collective, subsequent writers have back peddled on that. Several of the "long term" Flighters like Northstar, Aurora, and Madison Jefferies/Box have popped up in the X-Books. Sasquatch and Talisman (Shaman's daughter) were in Omega Flight (and may be the only members of that team left), and Snowbird has popped up in INCREDIBLE HERCULES material. Past versions of many of the older characters were also supposedly in the present, but that continuity hiccup will either be exploited to explain why, say, Puck is back, or ignored. At any rate, at least 5 members of the long term AF cast are alive, and finding or creating 2-3 others to join them if that is the intention shouldn't be too difficult.
 
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I'm glad Alpha Flight is getting a new book. However I am slightly worried, because the 2004 series I dropped after issue 3.

Spector313 mentioned a bunch of the members were offed in Omega :( Which ones?

I was a huge fan of the 1997 run with Steven Seagle. I hope this new book is more serious than the "All New, All Diffrent" Alpha Flight from 2004.
 
None of the members were killed in the OMEGA FLIGHT series from 2007. A slew of Alpha Flighters were slain in NEW AVENGERS, though, that came before it. Supposedly, that includes both Pucks, Shaman, Vindicator, Guardian, Maj. Mapleleaf, and others. Marina was offed during DARK REIGN. Even Diamond Lil was offed during SECOND COMING. The only members of the original team that are alive are Sasquatch, Northstar, Aurora, and Snowbird. Shaman's daughter Talisman, who was involved with the team, is still alive, as is Madison Jefferies/Box. Some of the hangers on in Beta or Gamma Flight were depowered after M-Day.

Beta Ray Bill, U.S. Agent, and Arachne from the states were all part of OMEGA FLIGHT, but all have since returned to the U.S., or space.
 
Hmm... Interesting.
What issue of NA did the slaying happen in?

Haven't all of those characters died at least twice before though? They'll be back right?
 
It was sort of an off panel killing around NA #16 maybe?
 
It was a stupid part of a stupid comic. I'm glad they'll get a new series. Makes me wonder whether McCann can multitask or Hawkeye & Mockingbird is getting canceled sooner than I expected.
 
Which is amazing considering that HAWKEYE & MOCKINGBIRD #1, while it may be critically acclaimed, didn't have the best debut. In June it sold 27,552 copies (or rather, that many copies were ordered by retailers in the direct market). There were two variant covers and most debut issues are ordered at whatever shops think they can sell, which is at best an educated guess. Second issues usually are lower, and either the title's sales get steady or slip into oblivion. This was enough to sell in the Top 75 (at #73), with a caveat that June 1010 was actually a good month for the Top 300 sellers; in some prior months, 27.5k would have looked better, and placed higher on the Top 100 list.
Hawkeye and Mockingbird #2 was at #100 on the July 2010 list.

http://www.diamondcomics.com/public/default.asp?t=1&m=1&c=3&s=237&ai=98515&ssd=
 
The comic-buying public wouldn't know a great comic if it punched them in the face like I want to. :o
 
Yeah. Hawkeye and Mockingbird deserve to stay a float. I think they might get to stay afloat longer than normal for the fact of Hawkeye in the Avengers.
 
That would certainly be novel. He is going to be in the movie, too. But that's still 2 years away. I imagine they'd just cancel H&M and launch a new Hawkeye series closer to the movie's release.
 
Hawkeye and Mockingbird #2 was at #100 on the July 2010 list.

http://www.diamondcomics.com/public/default.asp?t=1&m=1&c=3&s=237&ai=98515&ssd=

Hmm. The full figures won't be released on ICV2 for a few days at least. The comic sales charts are dominated by the Top 25, especially the Top 15 sellers. If they did well, than a #100 seller one month may be more than a #95 seller in a lower selling month. Typically, sales slump in the spring and rebound in the summer. Still, the second issue just barely selling in the Top 100 is never promising.

The comic-buying public wouldn't know a great comic if it punched them in the face like I want to. :o

Yet when I posted my sig-worthy line, "the casual reader is a moron", I had quite a few people take offense. For the record, I don't consider most message board fans "casual readers". We are a vocal minority. If every account on SHH was an actual person, and not, say, dead or banned accounts, it would total under 21,000 people. If every one of them bought a copy of one comic, it would barely reach the Top 100. That is the struggle many books face.

At any rate, BLACK WIDOW is apparently surviving to see another arc with a new creative team, which means it'll limp to, at worst, issue #9 (as few arcs of any comic are less than four issues these days). I don't know how long HAWKEYE & MOCKINGBIRD will last, but it had a worse debut than BLACK WIDOW. It is possible Marvel may eat the loss and give it another arc before canceling it, so they can have an extra trade on the shelf in time for "THE AVENGERS" in 2012.

Marvel is desperate to translate the modest success of Deadpool (he has a slew of books, but some are plunging while others sell at the mid-card level), but they fail to realize that Deadpool was a bit of a cult character with a fan base long before the film; the film simply arose that base. He also did have his own ongoing series into the late 90's. You can't say the same of Black Widow (who has never had her own ongoing series) or Hawkeye (whose last "solo Avengers" features were in the 80's).

Still, Marvel doesn't care if the books they launch die in 5-6 issues. So long as they're still selling 20-30 comics more a month than DC, they could care less. They're winning a war with superior numbers, not entirely by strategic victories. Any book that is canceled is replaced by two more of something else, like an ALPHA FLIGHT relaunch.
 
F-it. Just bring back Avengers Spotlight and rotate the characters/arcs.
 
F-it. Just bring back Avengers Spotlight and rotate the characters/arcs.

The thing is, despite the Avengers being "hot" now, if that book wasn't made "important", it wouldn't sell well. Of course, Marvel gave MARVEL TEAM UP another shot four years ago, and MARVEL COMICS PRESENTS even more recently. AVENGERS SPOTLIGHT could be due up. Hell, for all we know, that could be Fred Van Lente's project.
 
The thing is, despite the Avengers being "hot" now, if that book wasn't made "important", it wouldn't sell well. Of course, Marvel gave MARVEL TEAM UP another shot four years ago, and MARVEL COMICS PRESENTS even more recently. AVENGERS SPOTLIGHT could be due up. Hell, for all we know, that could be Fred Van Lente's project.

I thought that was supposed to be Cosmic Avengers? If it is Avengers Spotlight that would be great although some people might not want to pick up another Avengers title when there's already 4 out there.
 
"Cosmic" Avengers hasn't even been confirmed to be happening. People just jumped to that conclusion from a teaser image from an upcoming issue of Thanos Imperative.
 
Cosmic Avengers? Avengers Spotlight, Pet Avengers, whatever it Fred Van Lente is writing, I think we can all agree it'll be bad ass.
 
F-it. Just bring back Avengers Spotlight and rotate the characters/arcs.
Great idea to me, personally, but I believe recent history has shown that comics like that don't sell. Marvel Team-Up crashed and burned, and I'm pretty sure Brave and the Bold over at DC isn't doing too well, either.
 
Nope, not even JMS on BRAVE AND THE BOLD has made it sell. Granted, DC didn't even really promote that he was on it, like it was a secret they were ashamed of.

Yeah, the "Cosmic Avengers" thing is simply a rumor; there is no hard data on what sort of Avengers title Fred Van Lente is writing, other than it's Avengers. To be fair, to Marvel, they are trying to boost him. His SHADOWLAND: POWER MAN mini is getting a sequel, POWER MAN & IRON FIST, before a single issue is sold, which means a 10 issue commitment to a franchise that's never sold within the Top 50 lately. That's not bad. If Marvel thinks it can sell a 5th Avengers title, they'll try.

Back on topic. Marvel's tried to revive their Canadian super-team every few years, so they're about due for another stab, at least to keep the name in copyright. Back in May, director Vincenzo Natali (director of "CUBE" and "SPLICE" and who worked on a "SWAMP-THING" movie that WB took a pass on) claimed that he'd like to direct an ALPHA FLIGHT movie, even if he admitted he was "thinking out loud" and doubted an opportunity would arise. But one never knows. If "SCOTT PILGRIM VS. THE WORLD" breaks the barrier for comic book films with Canadian sensibilities (besides simply having comic book films filmed in Canada but pretending to be in New York), then who knows. I mean, we're living in an era when "JONAH HEX" got a film made.

As I said earlier, despite Bendis' Alpha-slaughter, enough of the founders or high profile former members of the team are still alive for a reunion of Alpha Flight (Sasquatch, Northstar, Aurora, Snowbird, and Shaman's daughter, Talisman) along with new members. Technically, there were "time flung" versions of old Alpha Flighters who were also in 616, so that could be a pass for "resurrecting" some of them; or, if all else fails, say one was a Skrull or a Space Phantom as per usual. I can't imagine Alpha Flight being relaunched again without some attempt to resurrect Puck. I'm also shocked Wolverine hasn't made a bigger deal about Heather Hudson's death; I guess he only mopes if they're Asian, and they ask him to kill them.

The only caveat is that Northstar and Aurora have been hanging around the X-Books for a while now (with Northstar having joined the X-Men proper a few times), and the X-editorial office is often very possessive of it's characters. I mean, it took about a decade for Beast to be an Avenger again, and frankly that's only because Brubaker wanted him.
 
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CBR had their column with Marvel Executive Editors Tom Brevoort and Alex Alonso and the last question provided a point blank answer as to the topic of this, erm, topic:

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=27830

CBR: And finally, Scratchy asked, "Rumor has it that Alpha Flight will be returning, under Jim McCann's writing. How soon can we expect news?"

Brevoort: Scratchy, Alpha Flight is dead. Dead, dead, dead. I killed them. (Well, Bendis and I.) They are demised, dead, finished, decomposing, dead. They're hanging out with Nightcrawler.

However, if you happen to live in Canada (or are just visiting during the right weekend), the members of Alpha Flight are taking over for the Avengers, at least for one special variant cover to "Avengers" #4 illustrated by Phil Jimenez. This special extremely limited edition will only be available for purchase at the Fan Expo in Canada on August 28 and 29. And wait'll you read the cover copy!

Y'know, if somebody like Phil were to illustrate it, I bet we might be able to get an Alpha Flight series to sell at that…


http://www.comicbookresources.com/prev_img.php?disp=img&pid=1281721530

Of course, not to tell Tom B. how to do his job, but not ALL of Alpha Flight are dead. Northstar and Aurora have popped up in a few X-Men comics even within the last few months. Sasquatch, Snowbird, and Talisman are still alive. But at least for now, it seems Alpha Flight as a franchise isn't getting any new material beyond a variant cover for a Canadian con.
 
Brevoort: Scratchy, Alpha Flight is dead. Dead, dead, dead. I killed them. (Well, Bendis and I.) They are demised, dead, finished, decomposing, dead.

**** you Brevoort.


However, if you happen to live in Canada, the members of Alpha Flight are taking over for the Avengers, at least for one special variant cover to "Avengers" #4 illustrated by Phil Jimenez. This special extremely limited edition will only be available for purchase at the Fan Expo in Canada on August 28 and 29. And wait'll you read the cover copy!

:doh: All you need to know is that it's in Canada I guess.
 

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