The anti-smoking lobby sucks!

[BATFREDDIE]

I lit one up while reading this thread
it wasn't a cigarette

 

[Kessel Day]

I understand that Kess. Like I said, I don't smoke and hell, there may come a time when I choose to make my bar a non-smoking zone. That being said, it is my right to decide when that happens. Damned if I am going to let people who have harrassed me from the second I bought the bar, bully me into it.

you ARE smoking, my friend. however, i believe as you do that you have the right to choose how to run your own business. on the other hand, i have always felt that it is wrong to help someone harm himself.

 

[Darthphere]

you ARE smoking, my friend. however, i believe as you do that you have the right to choose how to run your own business. on the other hand, i have always felt that it is wrong to help someone harm himself.

Heres the thing. Those people are hypocrites, maybe you are too, probably not but its not ok to smoke in a bar because youll get cancer and die but its ok to gulp down massive amounts of alcohol and **** up your liver. Wheres the logic behind this?

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

you ARE smoking, my friend. however, i believe as you do that you have the right to choose how to run your own business. on the other hand, i have always felt that it is wrong to help someone harm himself.

This is why there should be picketing and harrassment out front of every McDonalds. Also high school football, guns and kitchen knives should be abolished.

 

[jaguarr]

I'm really tired of the special rights nazi's in this country trying to tell everyone what they can or can't do. It's a BAR for crying out loud. If you don't want to deal with the smoke, go someplace else. There are plenty of smoke-free establishments out there these days. And this is coming from an ex-smoker who can't stand the smell of cigarette smoke anymore.

jag

 

[Addendum]

"The worst kind of non-smokers are the ones that come up to you and cough. That's pretty ****ing cruel isn't it? Do you go up to cripples and dance too?" - Bill Hicks

 

[thedeadite]

where i live there's a province wide smoking ban in any public place..bars included..and funny enough..smoking rooms in cigar shops included. In my opinion if a government is going to take away a business owners right to allow smoking in it's establishments or not, they might as well just make tabacco illegal....but wait...where would the government get the millions of dollars in taxes they make off of tabacco sales?

 

[Kessel Day]

Heres the thing. Those people are hypocrites, maybe you are too, probably not but its not ok to smoke in a bar because youll get cancer and die but its ok to gulp down massive amounts of alcohol and **** up your liver. Wheres the logic behind this?

i don't think people should drink alcohol to excess either. but unlike smoking, if i have one drink with friends, i am not damaging their health. there is no such thing as smoking in moderation.

 

[Kessel Day]

This is why there should be picketing and harrassment out front of every McDonalds. Also high school football, guns and kitchen knives should be abolished.

people should eat healthier, football can injure young people, guns and knives have been used to kill; however, W-S, these cannot be compared to smoking, because people can eat at Macs infrequently or not at all; kids can decide to not go out for football, and guns and knives can be used responsibly.

smoking always injures not only the one doing the smoking, but also everyone around them.

 

[SickBoy]

I think non-smoking pubs/bars are ridiculous. You should at least be allowed to smoke there of all places! Some people are just too uptight. They go to a bar that allows smoking and complain about it rather than finding a different bar where smoking is not allowed.

I understand that second hand smoke is bad, but if people are smoking in some bar, go find another bar!

 

[Addendum]

The US of A is a culture of lazy sluggards. I loathe this culture

 

[Calvin]

people should eat healthier, football can injure young people, guns and knives have been used to kill; however, W-S, these cannot be compared to smoking, because people can eat at Macs infrequently or not at all; kids can decide to not go out for football, and guns and knives can be used responsibly.

smoking always injures not only the one doing the smoking, but also everyone around them.

Hence why you should huddle all the smokers together into bars instead of forcing them to smoke outdoors. Everybody wins.

 

[amazingfantasy15]

I'm a non smoker and am entirely sick of the anti-smoking lobby as well. If someone wants to smoke that's their choice, I really don't think it's going to affect me as much as everyone says it does. It's still legal in the U.S. to smoke, now I do think it's good not to allow smoking in some places, but bars you should definitely be allowed to smoke in. In Chicago they tried to ban smoking in all public places including outdoor sports stadiums which is totally ridiculous. Then, after a scaled down version of this law passed, not two weeks later, Chicago increased the taxes on cigarettes! So, first they cut down the places you can smoke, then make you pay more, why not just pass a bill that says for every cigarette you smoke somebody will ***** you in the @$$.

All the anti smoking people can list all the stats they want, it won't change my mind, smoking is legal, until it becomes illegal (which will never happen because of the money made off taxes) people should be allowed to smoke in peace.

 

[Batty for Bats!]

people should eat healthier, football can injure young people, guns and knives have been used to kill; however, W-S, these cannot be compared to smoking, because people can eat at Macs infrequently or not at all; kids can decide to not go out for football, and guns and knives can be used responsibly.

smoking always injures not only the one doing the smoking, but also everyone around them.

I think you missed the point of : People don't have to eat at McDonalds if they want to eat healthier, People do not have to play football - its a recreational game, and People can CHOOSE to use guns and knives responsibly.

That doesn't mean jack. If those picketers don't want smoke in their lungs, they can CHOOSE to go someplace else. You're purposing that the government take away that right to choose.

 

[Kessel Day]

I think you missed the point of : People don't have to eat at McDonalds if they want to eat healthier, People do not have to play football - its a recreational game, and People can CHOOSE to use guns and knives responsibly.

That doesn't mean jack. If those picketers don't want smoke in their lungs, they can CHOOSE to go someplace else. You're purposing that the government take away that right to choose.

wrong. i purpose no such thing. while i think it would be nice if no one smoked, i realize people have the right to choose to do so.

my personal preference/belief is that i will not help someone to hurt himself (ie, if i owned a bar, i wouldn't countenence smoking there) but if Matt has no problem with it, i wouldn't be the one to stop him.

 

[Kessel Day]

Hence why you should huddle all the smokers together into bars instead of forcing them to smoke outdoors. Everybody wins.

except there are times that non-smokers want to go to a bar to drink and dance. they should also have the option of going to a non-stinky bar.

 

[Darthphere]

except there are times that non-smokers want to go to a bar to drink and dance. they should also have the option of going to a non-stinky bar.

And they do, go to another bar.

 

[Kessel Day]

And they do, go to another bar.

you may be too young to realize this, but at one time, there were no non-smoking bars; now there are. how do you think this came about?

 

[Darthphere]

you may be too young to realize this, but at one time, there were no non-smoking bars; now there are. how do you think this came about?

Did you just bring out the age card? Either way, plent of non-smoking bars exist, go to those if you dont want to breathe smoke. Its so ****ing easy. its like going to McDonald's and expect them to have a Whopper.

 

[Kessel Day]

Did you just bring out the age card? Either way, plent of non-smoking bars exist, go to those if you dont want to breathe smoke. Its so ****ing easy. its like going to McDonald's and expect them to have a Whopper.

sorry if i seemed condenscending.

i do go to non-smoking bars and restaurants. my point was that unless people protested against the smoking, every place would still be full of smoke. the little plastic barrier wasn't much good in keeping the smoke out of the non-smoking section.

 

[Calvin]

sorry if i seemed condenscending.

i do go to non-smoking bars and restaurants. my point was that unless people protested against the smoking, every place would still be full of smoke. the little plastic barrier wasn't much good in keeping the smoke out of the non-smoking section.

I don't think we're opposed to protesting itself. It's the context of the whole thing. They're protesting a smoking bar at this point, when there are already many non-smoking bars (for many posters here, there's nothing but). If we lived in a society of nothing but smoking bars, if they wanted to complain, I'm sure we'd be fine with it and say "as long as they leave a few for us, complain away." But they're being greedy and oppressive at this point.

 

[Kessel Day]

I don't think we're opposed to protesting itself. It's the context of the whole thing. They're protesting a smoking bar at this point, when there are already many non-smoking bars (for many posters here, there's nothing but). If we lived in a society of nothing but smoking bars, if they wanted to complain, I'm sure we'd be fine with it and say "as long as they leave a few for us, complain away." But they're being greedy and oppressive at this point.

i agree. there are way too many people trying to run other peoples' lives now.

 

[Arkady Rossovich]

The anti-smoking laws in the USA is a great move.Smoking is useless anyway,people waste money every year buying packs.Even if they dont listen,they will just get smacked down in the end when they get throat or lung cancer and die early deaths.Laugh then.