Superman Returns The brilliance of Bryan Singer...

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So here I am watching SR again, for like the 30th time probably, who knows, and I'm in one of those analytical moods, ya know? So I'm watching, and I'm watching, and scene after scene I find myself rewinding and watching it over and over.

Because I'm absolutely amazed at the *vision* Bryan Singer had for this movie.

Too bad its actors weren't too convincing. That's what sort of killed it for me anyway. I absolutely LOVE the story. I absolutely HATE the acting.

Anyway, so I'm watching the scene where he lands on the New Krypton island thingy Lex made - you know where he lands so hard it forms a crater? Was he ticked off or what?!

Or was he actually ticked off?

And I found myself realizing that all the times before now where I believed his crater hard landing was in anger, I was completely off my rocker.

I realized (and maybe I've just been stupid about this part of the movie, and everyone else got it, except for me?) that he landed that hard because he had lost his power of flight as he'd descended closer to the ground of the island, and had already acquired a good bit of speed when he lost it.

BAM!

CRATER!

His attention had shifted downward with his body at the moment of impact, as he watched the ripples of NK soil arch and roll away from him.

Something is wrong. He thinks.

His attention shifts back upward now, and as he sees the creation before him, he isn't sure which emotion feels worse - the fear of mortal danger now lurking inside, or the blistering rage this scenery now invokes.

But these crystals are benign, He thinks.

This is something else.

He opts, without much choice, to rage instead of fear.

"Recognize anything familiar?"

He does. The same sick man. The same trick.

The same Superman to fall for it.

As he draws closer to the steps that will lead him up to the sick man, he can feel his powers being swept away by an ocean of radiating heat, or is that pain?

But his gaze doesn't falter, nor does he. He's Superman. And he's Clark. And He's Kal-El. And none of them falter.

Each step grows more difficult than the last, but he must not appear shaken under any circumstance, and so he climbs with what appears to be limitless ease until he's standing before, and over him, covering him in his shadow.

Lex Luthor.

"You have something that belongs to me." Superman states authoritively and calmly.

That bead of sweat gave him away, at least to the audience, but Lex knew before he saw that bead of sweat the same thing that Superman knew. And the cool part is that they both came to this realization with each other, yet neither character folded. Lex, of course, didn't fold because he absolutely knew Superman was powerless. Why else would be standing in front of his otherwise all-powerful arch enemy with that satanic cheering smirk of his?

But Superman remains valiant despite the danger he now faces. He had felt this kind of danger several more times than he'd have liked to before.

Even after being dragged and beaten, and then stabbed in the back with a K shank, he stands up again and faces his unbeatable assailant, not unlike he had at the top of those steps.

Until his remaining power, the power to stand, fades, and a Superman falls.

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Now THAT is a powerful scene. Singer freaking NAILED it.

Routh, however, did not.

When Routh said "You have something that belongs to me," it didn't carry the 'weight' it should have. Imagine Reeve doing that scene. His eyebrows would have arched downward in the middle, as they always did when determination or anger took hold of him, and he would have said with emotion and clarity what Routh could only say with clumsy innocence.

It's the kind of acting where you realize, while you're sitting there staring at it, that the actors themselves are actually nervous about being in front of the camera, and you can't believe it's so obvious and that no one caught it.

A good actor forgets that he's acting when he's acting. And so does everyone who's watching him.

Routh isn't there yet. Sorry folks. Maybe in the next movie, maybe, but certainly not in this one. I really hope he takes on other projects and maybe even does some stage work (he could use it), before he hops in front of a camera as Superman again. It can only help.

Anyway, back to watching. Maybe I'll see something else worthy of writing about, and I'll come back. Or not. Who knows.
 
Richard White. Hmm. Let's examine him just for a second.

Richard White represents to the audience what 'would' be Superman's traits and sense of honor in a human. He's always there for Lois. Everytime. With the kid. With the job. Showing up on a boat in the middle of the ocean to rescue her.

Give me a break! This guy is Superman ... without the super powers!

How could Superman betray such an amazing human? Lois has found herself a legitimately and extremely honorable man. A man who does the right thing, always; and who never lies; and who loves her as much as he, Superman, does.

He's found himself yet another arch nemesis in Richard White, except this one isn't bald, and this one isn't evil.

When he flies by her house and peers inside, perhaps after hearing the sound of music playing, he realizes that he's lost her. Singer captured that very well. It could have been done a little better, but it was good.

If Superman is really Superman, he'll leave Lois alone.

That is, of course, unless Richard White gets taken out of the picture (dies).

Let's see if Singer kills him off next movie ;).
 
You should of put this in your other thread rather than creating a new thread. Although a moderator will probably do it anyway. But I suggest if you keep posting to do it in the future (post in your first thread if commenting on "Superman Returns").

Angeloz
 
Richard White. Hmm. Let's examine him just for a second.

Richard White represents to the audience what 'would' be Superman's traits and sense of honor in a human. He's always there for Lois. Everytime. With the kid. With the job. Showing up on a boat in the middle of the ocean to rescue her.

Give me a break! This guy is Superman ... without the super powers!

How could Superman betray such an amazing human? Lois has found herself a legitimately and extremely honorable man. A man who does the right thing, always; and who never lies; and who loves her as much as he, Superman, does.

He's found himself yet another arch nemesis in Richard White, except this one isn't bald, and this one isn't evil.

When he flies by her house and peers inside, perhaps after hearing the sound of music playing, he realizes that he's lost her. Singer captured that very well. It could have been done a little better, but it was good.

If Superman is really Superman, he'll leave Lois alone.

That is, of course, unless Richard White gets taken out of the picture (dies).

Let's see if Singer kills him off next movie ;).

And that is what makes Richard White such a genius character. You can't simply come and start hating him as with Lex or Zod. That is black and white; a bad guy, you can hate him to no end and feel sorry for 'our hero' since he is a total victim here.

But Richard is genuinely good. And with NO super-powers. I'd say that in the movie both end up learning a lot from each other.

At first Clark saw in Richard merely a competition for his girl: Yes, he's Perry White's nephew so basically that's probably how he got his job and the money and therefore how he got Lois. He's the boss' nephew.

By the end of the movie, Superman realizes how truly heroic Richard is and how he is able to risk his life for Lois.

But even if under some perspective, Richard derserves to keep Lois, in real life love has little to do with deserving, earning or merits. People fall in love with people for many different reasons than who deserves being loved. Many good men are left fpor other not-so-good guys just because a woman feels more for others, because her hormones and senses are more attracted to someone else. It's that simple... and complex.

So then, Superman gives Lois a chance so she can choose.

Lois, as any person, is entitled to be with the man she trully loves more than the man that most deserves her. She can't be with Richard forever no matter how heroic he is, because of his merits if she's in love with Superman. Superman gets this and that's why it is not as simple as saying 'Mh, Richard is heroic, in the name of justice Lois must be with him.'

Justice does not applies - and have never applied - to romantic relationships.
 
You should of put this in your other thread rather than creating a new thread. Although a moderator will probably do it anyway. But I suggest if you keep posting to do it in the future (post in your first thread if commenting on "Superman Returns").

Angeloz

Umm, no. These are two different topics. If you'd like to be a moderator, apply to be one. Otherwise, keep it on topic.
 
It seems a moderator agreed with me. By the way I would of considered commenting but you don't like Routh. On this we disagree and I don't want to get into a needless fight on the subject.

Angeloz
 
It seems a moderator agreed with me. By the way I would of considered commenting but you don't like Routh. On this we disagree and I don't want to get into a needless fight on the subject.

Angeloz

I don't 'dislike' Routh. I dislike his acting. I think he's physically near perfect for the part, but his acting just plain sucks. He had very few lines in the movie, I suspect because Singer knew his acting was weak.

I just hope he takes more acting classes and gets other roles (preferably some stage work) to further improve his skills.

And as to the moderator who moved my second thread, meh, I could have named the subject something else and it would have stayed its own thread. Each point is unique and generates different responses. Let the mods have their 'power', don't bother me none, even if it does screw up the spirit of the original threads.
 
The script was written before he got cast I believe. As I said I disagree with you about his acting abilities. One thing I worried about was how I would react to him in the film. It was something I worried about the most especially as I loved Christopher Reeve (he introduced me to Superman/Kal-El/Clark Kent). The clips gave me hope beforehand. But the film blew me away. As did Brandon.

I think the reason why they merged the threads is you were commenting on the film. And giving your opinion. It wasn't just the title.

Angeloz
 
And that is what makes Richard White such a genius character. You can't simply come and start hating him as with Lex or Zod. That is black and white; a bad guy, you can hate him to no end and feel sorry for 'our hero' since he is a total victim here.

But Richard is genuinely good. And with NO super-powers. I'd say that in the movie both end up learning a lot from each other.

At first Clark saw in Richard merely a competition for his girl: Yes, he's Perry White's nephew so basically that's probably how he got his job and the money and therefore how he got Lois. He's the boss' nephew.

By the end of the movie, Superman realizes how truly heroic Richard is and how he is able to risk his life for Lois.

But even if under some perspective, Richard derserves to keep Lois, in real life love has little to do with deserving, earning or merits. People fall in love with people for many different reasons than who deserves being loved. Many good men are left fpor other not-so-good guys just because a woman feels more for others, because her hormones and senses are more attracted to someone else. It's that simple... and complex.

So then, Superman gives Lois a chance so she can choose.

Lois, as any person, is entitled to be with the man she trully loves more than the man that most deserves her. She can't be with Richard forever no matter how heroic he is, because of his merits if she's in love with Superman. Superman gets this and that's why it is not as simple as saying 'Mh, Richard is heroic, in the name of justice Lois must be with him.'

Justice does not applies - and have never applied - to romantic relationships.

I agree, Richard is a great character and a great addition to the story, as you said, he is impossible to hate, and yet we still want Superman to be with Lois, its the first time in a long time were a movie presents us with TWO protagonists who we want to be with the female lead.
 
As for the threadstarter, i completely agree that Singer's vision for this movie was awesome and that he presented it brilliantly, but i disagree about Routh, IMO he was perfect as Superman.
 
I agree, Richard is a great character and a great addition to the story, as you said, he is impossible to hate, and yet we still want Superman to be with Lois, its the first time in a long time were a movie presents us with TWO protagonists who we want to be with the female lead.

You mean you actually wanted LOis to be with SUperman in the movie?
 
I want him to be with Batman. ;)

But since that'll never happen Lois might be OK if they have her treat Clark decently.

AVEITWITHJAMON said:
As for the threadstarter, i completely agree that Singer's vision for this movie was awesome and that he presented it brilliantly, but i disagree about Routh, IMO he was perfect as Superman.

I completely agree. Well said. :)

Angeloz
 
Singer's true brilliance was convincing WB to give him over $250 million to produce a "Superman" film without any studio interference; and, change the film from what they expected during the production and again during post production.


That is brilliance. I'm not joking. No one ever gets away with that.
 
Even though I had a lot of issues with the movie, I'm very glad that some people loved it. :word: :yay:

The funny thing Lazur, is that I am the opposite from you in that I thought the story was crap (and the directing) but I thought Routh was great. He saved the movie, for me.
 
Singer's true brilliance was convincing WB to give him over $250 million to produce a "Superman" film without any studio interference; and, change the film from what they expected during the production and again during post production.


That is brilliance. I'm not joking. No one ever gets away with that.
True brilliance.
 
wait......this movie was supposed to be something else.....then got changed? what was the original concept?
 
Even though I had a lot of issues with the movie, I'm very glad that some people loved it. :word: :yay:

The funny thing Lazur, is that I am the opposite from you in that I thought the story was crap (and the directing) but I thought Routh was great. He saved the movie, for me.

With all the crap I lay on SR, I have to agree that Routh was the only decent thing. Too bad he had nothing to do except lift things.
 
but how? is there any way I could find the "original" concept?
 
but how? is there any way I could find the "original" concept?

Lex was the one who made up the Krypton stuff. There were real consequences to Superman leaving, the world moved on, he had to win them back. Smallville flashbacks that made sense, more about Martha and how she delt with Clark's absence. A $10 million journey to Krypton sequence, actual color in the suit, and about a dozen other things.

It might not have made the movie good, but it might have helped.
 
Of course i did, i also wanted Lois to be nicer to Clark.


Richard was such a better person I was never even tempted to want to see Superman and Lois together. For both their sakes, even at the end. It really makes you wonder how Superman is supposed to be in love with a woman who is so mean and hateful to his alter-ego.
 

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