Arrow The Caity Lotz/Black Canary Thread

[Coconut1214]

Tell me this isn't the perfect actress to play the Black Canary

 

[vantheman77]

I have to say that she has the skills to play Black Canary.

 

[DrRocket]

And then when you think that laurel is most likely gonna become BC, your heart just sinks

 

[Crimz]

Laurel and Dinah Lance both die, so Sarah takes their names as homage to them. Throw in some form of mirakuru down the line, that gives her the Canary cry.

 

[Crimz]

Thinking about it, the only reason I still want Laurel is because of her name nothing else. Which isn't good for the story, if they don't put her on the path to being the Black Canary by the end of this season, then let her go. Sara and Caity would be a welcomed addition to arrow.

 

[Dark Raven]

Thinking about it, the only reason I still want Laurel is because of her name nothing else. Which isn't good for the story, if they don't put her on the path to being the Black Canary by the end of this season, then let her go. Sara and Caity would be a welcomed addition to arrow.

That seems to be the only reason these days that fans want her to be BC, unless you're a KC fan specifically.

 

[Coconut1214]

How do we know that her full name isn't Sara Dinah Lance? Or since Sara Lance is legally dead she's needs a new name like Dinah Drake. No one in the League or Sin called her Sara. So they could even say she's already going by that name.

Why would we want to see Cassidy's stunt double doing everything when they already have an actress that has the skills to play a super hero?

 

[SV Fan]

Why would we want to see Cassidy's stunt double doing everything when they already have an actress that has the skills to play a super hero?

Not that I think KC makes a good Dinah Lance, but something about Caity doesn't fit Dinah Lance(although she is perfectly fine as Black Canary)

 

[Herolee10]

 

[Nathan]

And saved for my private folder.

 

[Dark Raven]

Now that's a hot pic. It looks almost like a "Me in my place" style photo. Will definitely fill a cavity hole in my collection.

 

[LEONCIO]

This is what I would do if I was the showrunner:

Spoiler

Laurel's life is currently kind of a mess, so just make her lose her job and all of her friends, maybe thanks to Brother Blood's influence (under Deathstroke's orders) and to her alcohol problems caused by Tommy's death.

His father tries to "save" her as we are seeing in the last episodes, and just when she is convinced by Oliver and her dad to get her ***** together, Deathstroke kills her to cause in Oliver the same kind of pain that he felt for Shado's death.

Laurel's body shouldn't be found by the authoroties, maybe she is killed after or during a fight between Deathstroke and Arrow (trying to save her life) in a bridge or something, Deathstroke kills her and throws her body to the river, but she is certainly dead (think about the Green Goblin killing Gwen during a fight with Spidey in a bridge while trying to save her, something like that). Mr.Lance is broken, but he ultimately decides to hide Laurel's death because there is a way for Sara to somehow take Laurel's legal identity and to be "legally alive" again "pretending" to be Laurel (just legally, using her name, her driver's licence, her passport and stuff like that), which would also help to hide her from The League of Assassins and would make easier for Mr.Lance to have a closer relationship with his daughter.

This way Sara would become Dinah Laurel Lance (but she would use just the "Dinah" name most of the time, while her sister used more the "Laurel" name by which she was mostly known), and she would actually be the Black Canary from the comics, who decides to stop being an assassin and joins Oliver's fight for justice to honor her dead sister (a lawyer constantly fighting for justice her own way when she was alive).

Oliver would give her a job at his company and she would be just Dinah for almost everybody, nobody (besides the main cast in the Arrowcave and her dad) needs to know that she is Laurel's sister or who is her father, all of that can be kept mostly private.

Deathstroke knows Oliver's secret and has not revealed it so far, and once Oliver has eventually defeated him, if he survives I doubt that he would pay much attention to Laurel's legal death, he just wouldn't care enough to tell the world that Laurel is actually dead and her sister is using her identity, he would probably never know that. And Sara would be doing just that, using he sister's name to be "legally alive" again, but she would have different friends (Oliver, Sin, Felicity, etc) and a different job (like I said, Ollie can give her one in his company), she wouldn't need to actually pretend that she is someone else, it would be just a legal thing to allow her to have a normal life with his father and with Oliver, with The League just ignoring her because they initially wouldn't know that she is using her sister's identity, they just wouldn't know that Laurel is dead, and they are searching for Sara/Black Canary, not for Laurel.

Oliver would eventually tell his family the truth if necessary, but they have their own problems with Merlyn, Moira and Thea.

All of this may seem too complicated, but it really isn't, a good writing team coul handle it flawlessly. I hope that you get the idea, it would be the best solution to "fix" what they are doing with Black Canary and to get rid of Laurel (a character that almost everybody seems to hate) and doing it for a good reason, turning her in Oliver's Gwen Stacy. The writers have blatantly borrowed stuff from the "Dark Knight" movies, I doubt that they would feel too bad for using something from the Spidey stories, and in the "Dark Knight" films the writers killed the main romantic interest, a lawyer/attorney, Rachel, and replaced her for Catwoman as the main romantic interest, this would be pretty much the same.

What do you think? I just don't see any other way to properly handle the "Black Canary/Dinah Laurel Lance" situation. Katie Cassady's Laurel is never going to be a believable BC imo, killing Sara and giving Laurel the BC's mantle would be ridiculous, and nobody likes Laurel now, killing her for a good reason (Deathstroke's revenge, Sara getting the name from the comics and a new life) would be better than just killing her because nobody likes her.

Oh, and lastly, but this is very important, Sarah/Black Canary should grow her real hair longer and just get rid of that horrible and blatantly fake wig. She has a great blond haur, she doesn't need that ****** wig, seriously.

 

[Gee]

Now that's a hot pic. It looks almost like a "Me in my place" style photo. Will definitely fill a cavity hole in my collection.

It is from Esquire's MIMP series.

 

[Ryder]

I like the idea of Sara setting up a flower shop and being a florist, she needs a civilian job if she is gonna be staying in the city.

 

[TEL007]

It looks like the Executive Producer has already determined the fate of Sara and unfortunately, it is not good news.

The CW’s Arrow, having spent the first half of Season 2 putting assorted exciting pieces in place, is now poised to let the action and agendas fly, not much unlike a projective from Oliver’s bow. Among the big dramatic triggers: Oliver is out for Blood, while onetime compadre Slade Wilson has surfaced in Starling City with one good eye and a very bad disposition. TVLine invited executive producer Andrew Kreisberg to preview the new run of episodes to come, kicking off Wednesday at 8/7. PHOTOS | Winter TV Spoiler-palooza! Your Guide to Supernatural, Reign and 30 Other Returning Favorites
TVLINE | Over the first run of Season 2 episodes, it felt as if you were setting up pieces on a chessboard….
That was definitely the plan.
TVLINE | So as the show comes back, will we see these different elements coalesce and take shape?
Absolutely. One of the things we learned from last season was we built up to Episode 9, where we revealed that Malcolm Merlyn was the Dark Archer, then we kind of put things on simmer — and this year we’re coming back [from the break] with a bang. Oliver is obsessed with finding the man in the skull mask, Brother Blood, who he finally got eyes on in Episode 9, and we’ll be seeing Slade in the present and his machinations with Sebastian to bring about Oliver’s downfall.
These next four episodes are also, in a way, a big Laurel chapter because we really get to see Laurel’s drug use come back to bite her. She hits rock bottom and Katie Cassidy is just delivering the most amazing performance. She’s really kicked it up a notch and we’re so proud of her.
TVLINE | That’s good to hear, because one of my questions was how you planned to make Laurel relevant to this next wave of storytelling, beyond possibly dating Sebastian.
You know, it’s been somewhat hard, I think, for Katie and us to hear some of the criticisms of her character because we don’t do anything without thinking about it. And one of the great things about having as much success as we had in Season 1 was the freedom to allow things to unfold the way that they should. We’ve always had a fantastic plan for Laurel’s character, and I know that there’s impatience out there in the world to see her “strap on the fish nets” [as Black Canary] but everything we’re doing is all about leading up to that in a the way that we feel keeps it the most realistic and grounded. To take somebody who is a public interest lawyer and turned her into a super hero… you have to go through the paces. So this season we’ve really been putting her through her paces. We always think of these things as chapters, and these next four episodes are really about Laurel. She’s taking center stage as she begins to suspect that Sebastian is not exactly who he seems.

 

[Herolee10]

Honestly, IF they do make Laurel into the Second Black Canary, then they had better do so in a very believable way.

At the moment, there's no way in hell that she can become an efficient fighter like Black Canary is in the comics, let alone how Sara is currently, unless there's a time skip where she spends that entire time under her intensive training.

And even though she knows some practical self-defense moves, that won't mean crap in terms of how long it would take her to become a capable fighter. The only way that they could cheat out of all of this is if they gave her powers that automatically gave her the ability to fight right away, which would be a cop out if you ask me.

Plus, whoever trains her has to be like on par with the level of skills that the League of Assassins could provide.

And Katie would have to step up a notch when it comes to her acting skills because she just has this real "unlikable diva" quality that she presents within her portrayal of Laurel.

If the showrunners want people to see Laurel become Black Canary, make Laurel likable first. I mean my god, Felicity is practically more loved than Laurel is at the moment; she's definitely gotten more press attention that I've seen when compared against Katie's character, who's supposed to be the main female lead of the show.

 

[Primal Slayer]

Thats why they should have had Laurel start her training for becoming BC during that 3month gap or whatever it was in the show from S1 to S2.

 

[Ryder]

These are just words, they are big on words when it comes to Katie/Laurel. I wont believe it until I see definate proof and their actions, they are still chewing their words. They never said anything about giving her a definately definate Black canary journey, just that she will go through some stuff. If they wanted to give people so much confidence and get people interested, they would have said it more clearly and precisely already, they can't afford not to in this situation.

So far we know that Caity's Sara is still alive and in 1x15. She has pretty much been a regular this season.

One of the most important lessons that I’ve learned from working with Greg Berlanti, whose obviously had such amazing success in television, is to always have a really great plan, and then always know when to let the plan go

They also said this in a similar article.
And this has never been truer in this case, its time to let that original failed plan go and go with what works for the series, and that Caity's Black Canary/Sara. You cant force the actor and the character to connect, or either to connect with the show and the audience. They did try but it failed. Time to let go, Plan B is working why jinx it for something that has no guarantee of working.

Thats why they should have had Laurel start her training for becoming BC during that 3month gap or whatever it was in the show from S1 to S2.

Why because they were hesistant, they know it would be a disaster of course.
Im not gonna say why, coz I think I already have plenty of times, I think its obvious why they chose this route with CL/Sara. They just need to be honest with themselves now and us.

 

[Dark Raven]

It looks like the Executive Producer has already determined the fate of Sara and unfortunately, it is not good news.

The CW’s Arrow, having spent the first half of Season 2 putting assorted exciting pieces in place, is now poised to let the action and agendas fly, not much unlike a projective from Oliver’s bow. Among the big dramatic triggers: Oliver is out for Blood, while onetime compadre Slade Wilson has surfaced in Starling City with one good eye and a very bad disposition. TVLine invited executive producer Andrew Kreisberg to preview the new run of episodes to come, kicking off Wednesday at 8/7. PHOTOS | Winter TV Spoiler-palooza! Your Guide to Supernatural, Reign and 30 Other Returning Favorites
TVLINE | Over the first run of Season 2 episodes, it felt as if you were setting up pieces on a chessboard….
That was definitely the plan.
TVLINE | So as the show comes back, will we see these different elements coalesce and take shape?
Absolutely. One of the things we learned from last season was we built up to Episode 9, where we revealed that Malcolm Merlyn was the Dark Archer, then we kind of put things on simmer — and this year we’re coming back [from the break] with a bang. Oliver is obsessed with finding the man in the skull mask, Brother Blood, who he finally got eyes on in Episode 9, and we’ll be seeing Slade in the present and his machinations with Sebastian to bring about Oliver’s downfall.
These next four episodes are also, in a way, a big Laurel chapter because we really get to see Laurel’s drug use come back to bite her. She hits rock bottom and Katie Cassidy is just delivering the most amazing performance. She’s really kicked it up a notch and we’re so proud of her.
TVLINE | That’s good to hear, because one of my questions was how you planned to make Laurel relevant to this next wave of storytelling, beyond possibly dating Sebastian.
You know, it’s been somewhat hard, I think, for Katie and us to hear some of the criticisms of her character because we don’t do anything without thinking about it. And one of the great things about having as much success as we had in Season 1 was the freedom to allow things to unfold the way that they should. We’ve always had a fantastic plan for Laurel’s character, and I know that there’s impatience out there in the world to see her “strap on the fish nets” [as Black Canary] but everything we’re doing is all about leading up to that in a the way that we feel keeps it the most realistic and grounded. To take somebody who is a public interest lawyer and turned her into a super hero… you have to go through the paces. So this season we’ve really been putting her through her paces. We always think of these things as chapters, and these next four episodes are really about Laurel. She’s taking center stage as she begins to suspect that Sebastian is not exactly who he seems.

I don't see anything in that article that talks about Sara's fate. It just talks more about Laurel's apparent destiny.

She can put on fishnet tights if she wants, as long as that's all she puts on. She could always become a down-on-her-luck stripper in a seedy bar. Just as long as she doesn't actually become BC.

But that article doesn't suggest anything about Sara having some kind of grisly end or anything.

And hopefully KC will get bored of the show and want out of it. After all, in Smallville, Kristen Kreuk eventually left the show. I'm sure she didn't imagine when she signed up originally that her character would suffer the fate it did, just that she might perhaps fade into the background to Lois Lane. The probably did that to explain her early exit as she wanted out.

 

[Herolee10]

And hopefully KC will get bored of the show and want out of it. After all, in Smallville, Kristen Kreuk eventually left the show. I'm sure she didn't imagine when she signed up originally that her character would suffer the fate it did, just that she might perhaps fade into the background to Lois Lane. The probably did that to explain her early exit as she wanted out.

From what I had heard, Kristin didn't even want to come back to do the episode arc that she did in Season 8 since they weren't really offering anything new or exciting for her character...and that the main reason why she came back was because of her contract demanded it.

 

[vantheman77]

In reading the latest interview, I share the same concerns as Herolee in that if they're going to make Dinah Laurel into the second Black Canary it has to be done in a very convincing way. I'm concerned that they'll turn Dinah Laurel into Black Canary in a negative way.

They had a season and half to move Dinah Laurel towards becoming Black Canary and we saw little to no movement. Instead, they made her unlikeable from the start. No way would a character who's the least popular like Dinah Laurel would replace someone who is popular like Sarah as Black Canary.

By the time Dinah Laurel becomes Black Canary, it wouldn't mean much.

Sarah is basically a series regular in the 2nd season. I can't wait to see the Lane family reunion.

 

[Ultra Nolanite]

These are just words, they are big on words when it comes to Katie/Laurel. I wont believe it until I see definate proof and their actions, they are still chewing their words. They never said anything about giving her a definately definate Black canary journey, just that she will go through some stuff. If they wanted to give people so much confidence and get people interested, they would have said it more clearly and precisely already, they can't afford not to in this situation.

So far we know that Caity's Sara is still alive and in 1x15. She has pretty much been a regular this season.

One of the most important lessons that I’ve learned from working with Greg Berlanti, whose obviously had such amazing success in television, is to always have a really great plan, and then always know when to let the plan go

They also said this in a similar article.
And this has never been truer in this case, its time to let that original failed plan go and go with what works for the series, and that Caity's Black Canary/Sara. You cant force the actor and the character to connect, or either to connect with the show and the audience. They did try but it failed. Time to let go, Plan B is working why jinx it for something that has no guarantee of working.

Oh sweet baby Jesus let all of that mean something.

 

[Human Torch]

It sounds to me like they still plan to have Laurel as BC.....

 

[Coconut1214]

^ and that's a huge mistake.

 

[Human Torch]

Well,lets just hope they don't kill Sara off.Then when the fan backlash hits them,they can switch back to Sara as BC.

(of course,if Sara's tight with the Al Ghul family,she could still come back after she gets killed t