The Casey Anthony Murder Trial - Two Threads Too Many

[SuperFerret]

I really don't see how it's ****ed up. If the state can't prove a crime was commited or that the accused is guilty, then I'd want a not-guilty verdict. You shouldn't hinge a decision that could destroy someone's life on "they probably did it."

It's ****ed up because it allows guilty people to go free. It's ****ed up because it's not a matter of "what is the truth?", instead it's a matter of "who can paint a more believable picture of their version of the truth?"

The woman that drowned her kids in Houston is not in jail, she is in a Psychiatric hospital in Rusk, Texas....

Same difference really.

 

[Calvin]

Cuz most of them broads didn't get away with it.

That chick that drove her car into the lake with the kids in the back seat then blamed it on a black man? Prison.

That chick that drowned her kids in the tub? Prison.

I can't think of a third one to tie this together, but If I could? Prison.

Had any one of them had dips**t prosecutors who jumped the gun on charging them before they actually had a case the same thing woulda happened. But that was not the case.

Ok, I mean I get why it's news, but why is it such BIG news? More egregious stuff happens everyday, that people get away with. Almost everyone I talk to is like "OMG Casey Anthony Trial!!!" and yet they have no idea what's going on with our debt ceiling problem. Hell, just look at this thread, people are treating this like the OJ trial. And remember, OJ was a sports superstar, and the people he killed were somewhat known as well. And that even had an iconic slow mo car chase. I just don't get why so many people find this trial to be so important. Especially important enough to run over some woman that looked like Casey Anthony. Hell, where was this person when we needed her to run over somebody whose crimes actually directly influence people's lives other than the people directly in the case?

 

[Calvin]

It's ****ed up because it allows guilty people to go free. It's ****ed up because it's not a matter of "what is the truth?", instead it's a matter of "who can paint a more believable picture of their version of the truth?"



Same difference really.

Well right now that's the only fair system to find out "what is the truth?" You're acting like we've got an objective crystal ball that they're just choosing not to use. If you even find yourself in a spot where you're innocent, but it looks like you're guilty, I bet you'll be pretty happy for the system not just giving you the death sentence.

 

[Anubis]

Seriously? 3 or 4 a week?..... a little over the top there.

It's called Exaggeration. Used for humorous results in this instance.

 

[Anubis]

Well right now that's the only fair system to find out "what is the truth?" You're acting like we've got an objective crystal ball that they're just choosing not to use. If you even find yourself in a spot where you're innocent, but it looks like you're guilty, I bet you'll be pretty happy for the system not just giving you the death sentence.

I was thinking that that's exactly what we need. An objective crystal ball that will show the jury exactly what happened. Wasting all our science guys on iPod's and s**t. Somebody needs to get to work on crystal balls.

 

[SuperFerret]

Well right now that's the only fair system to find out "what is the truth?" You're acting like we've got an objective crystal ball that they're just choosing not to use. If you even find yourself in a spot where you're innocent, but it looks like you're guilty, I bet you'll be pretty happy for the system not just giving you the death sentence.

I'm not acting like that.

See this:

What he's saying is if the prosecution isn't good enough to find the crime, the jury has no choice but to say "not guilty". It's ****ed up, but there's no better way at this point in time.

It sucks, but it's the best we've got.

 

[C. Lee]

Ok, I mean I get why it's news, but why is it such BIG news? More egregious stuff happens everyday, that people get away with. Almost everyone I talk to is like "OMG Casey Anthony Trial!!!" and yet they have no idea what's going on with our debt ceiling problem.

Maybe it's because the average person has trouble understanding the debt, the way government finances work, the intricasies of taxes lending deficits and all that.....but a crazy lady that kills her kid to party and lies about it.....hell, that could be thier sister. That they can see happening around them and understand better...and it scares them.

 

[Calvin]

Maybe it's because the average person has trouble understanding the debt, the way government finances work, the intricasies of taxes lending deficits and all that.....but a crazy lady that kills her kid to party and lies about it.....hell, that could be thier sister. That they can see happening around them and understand better...and it scares them.

Right, but we hear about crazy ladies killing their kids all the time. Is it just because she's kinda hot?

 

[SuperFerret]

Probably. Probably also because she got away with it.

It all boils down to someone somewhere thinking that it would get high ratings on TV, putting it out there, and people ate it up, so the media fed on it, and so on in that self-perpetuating circle.

 

[C. Lee]

Right, but we hear about crazy ladies killing their kids all the time. Is it just because she's kinda hot?

Most stories of crazy ladies killing thier kids fall into -

(1)Post partem depression, a physical problem that affects many women but much less severely...
(2)Insanity, the devil told them to do it, god told them to do it, the refrigerator told them to do it...
(3)Stupid, they think if the kids are out of the way thier husband will come back, thier boyfriend will stay with them....

Casey was pretty unigue....she wanted to party, so killed her kid. You will hear about many women wanting to party and giving thier kids away to grandparents, siblings, etc......but she just went the extra mile and killed her and blames it on everyone else.

 

[Victarion]

My displeasure lies not in the fact that she wasn't killed, but simply from the incredibly damning evidence that was apparently poo-poo'd by the trololol jury. I'm not a proponent of the death penalty, if that surprises anyone here (even evil like me has standards).

 

[Anubis]

What evidence?

 

[Victarion]

Everything.

 

[Anubis]

You mean all that evidence that doesn't prove she killed her?

 

[Victarion]

^no gusta

The fact that she looked up chloroform, that her car reeked of a dead body, the fact that she waited so long to report the child missing and lied about the Nanny and numerous other instances of lying.

Its all pretty damning.

 

[Anubis]

It's all circumstantial.

Proves nothing. We don't even know whether she was even murdered or not. They couldn't be bothered to even prove that.

 

[C. Lee]

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The fact that she looked up chloroform, that her car reeked of a dead body, the fact that she waited so long to report the child missing and lied about the Nanny and numerous other instances of lying.

Its all pretty damning.

Damning...yes.

Proof beyond a reasonable doubt....nope.

Don't misunderstand me....I believe she killed her kid. But they couldn't prove it. Her defense lawyers, who at first I thought were idiots, turned out to be geniuses. Thier strategy of accuse everyone in the state of Florida of doing it worked....who woulda thunk it.

 

[Victarion]

Indeed; I agree with all of that post, C.Lee. I felt the testimony--one of the opposing lawyers--which ended with the photo of Casey partying after the deed was the sort of emotional appearl which would've held the greatest sway over the jurors.

 

[Donut]

Casey Anthony plans to appeal convictions for lying

http://news.yahoo.com/casey-anthony-plans-appeal-convictions-lying-164116184.html

 

[Calvin]

It seems to me that at least part of the blame can be laid on the media and Nancy Grace for the prosecution turning it into an all or nothing sort of trial. Manslaughter would have literally been a slam dunk, with the evidence they had, but with Nancy Grace and her typical harpy overreact over-blown super-harpy style, it seemed like the prosecution was in a way peer pressured into going after a charge they strategically shouldn't have. Proving manslaughter would have been way easier to than proving 1st degree murder, and I bet that if the trial hadn't been blown up on TV, that's probably what they would have gone for. Nancy Grace's vouce makes my sphincter invert.

 

[The Question]

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The fact that she looked up chloroform, that her car reeked of a dead body, the fact that she waited so long to report the child missing and lied about the Nanny and numerous other instances of lying.

Its all pretty damning.

I look up random **** on the internet all the time. It's called being bored.

Can you prove her car smelled that way because of a dead body? Scents can combine to end up smelling like something completely different, that's how perfume making works. Same thing can happen with bad smells too, especially if rotting food is involved.

Those last two things she did get sentenced for, as she did lie to the police and they could prove that.

 

[LOBO3315a]

Aggravated Manslaughter of a child was one of the counts against her, as well as Aggravated Child Abuse. She was found Not Guilty on those as well. Probably because the jury was never given a cause of death.

 

[Calvin]

Aggravated Manslaughter of a child was one of the counts against her, as well as Aggravated Child Abuse. She was found Not Guilty on those as well. Probably because the jury was never given a cause of death.

That was part of my point, but I didn't explain it well. It seemed the prosecution focused all of their case on that major charge, so it gave the jury kind of an all or nothing perception going into their decision, and I don't think that would have been the case maybe if not for Nancy Grace. If I had my choice, I'd have Grace behind bars sooner than Anthony.

 

[Kelly]

^no gusta

The fact that she looked up chloroform, that her car reeked of a dead body, the fact that she waited so long to report the child missing and lied about the Nanny and numerous other instances of lying.

Its all pretty damning.

Well, let's take that evidence that you just stated.

The prosecution said that she looked up chloroform on the internet 80+ times this was proven by the defense to be twice....you have one expert that says no traces of chloroform were found in the trunk, you have another that said possible traces of chloroform were found in the trunk.

You have some officers that said the smelled a dead body, you had other officers that testified they smelled nothing.

You had garbage in the trunk, and you had CSI that did not take the blow flies and check them to see if they held human DNA...

You have one hair, with possible decomposition factors in a car where the little girl was frequently.

So, exactly how is that damning?

How did the little girl die? not answered with evidence....
Who killed her? not answered with evidence....
When did she die? not answered with evidence....
Where did she die? not answered with evidence....

"looking" and "acting" guilty, does not prove you are guilty...

Yes she is a liar, yes she is a *****, yes she waited possibly 31 days....
How does the above answer any of the question I stated?

 

[Pink Ranger]

You forget, Kel, when a sympathetic victim, like a little Caucasian child, is dead, America no longer becomes a democracy. People are expected to be found guilty even on flimsy evidence, it's okay to make death threats on jurors, and you can use your car as a weapon against someone who's isn't even directly involved with the case, because you don't like 'em.